holy hell, did you move back from fla?Originally Posted by Romeyo07
holy hell, did you move back from fla?
Actually I"m still here but plan on moving. I'm getting divorced and I need out of here. The only reason I came back was because of my son and my x.
Wife swap on Channel 2 right now.. it fits this discussion very well
uh I put it like this . I believe in what I believe. Yeah I believe in a higher power and I look to the bible and religion in general as a guide. It gives us a definition of good and evil. for in my opinon you cant define or have one without the other (Daoists concept of yin and yang). Many relious text have been rewritten or re interprted so many time we many never really know exactly what has or hasnt been included. there is still some debate that the catholic church is still hiding stuff and lets not even get into the whole Davinnchi code dilema.
I just laugh at how many religious people push their religion on others. If a person doesnt believe out of their own volition would that not be blasphemy itself? Like how I believe the crusades and even terrorism used violence to win people over through fear. Its a direction confrontation to a universal law stating that the taking of another life is wrong. Period.
Like many things in history less than reliable explanations of thing in the past are more of a reason to explain the unexplainable. Like back then it was proven people werent that tall so the idea of a 6'7 guy picking on a 5'5 guy coulda easily turned into David and goliath. Same with the plagues of Egypt science did prove it was possible in one form or another that a series of ecological events could lead to conditions like that making someone back then believe it was the wrath of god.
Me personally? I just belive in doing good by others and that karma pays you back so i just try to do the best I can to be a "good" person by definition. In doing so I am following more of god's laws than most diehard christians i know who wouldnt talk to a bum or a person addicted to drugs because they are unholy in their eyes (and I have met quite a few people like that down here especially). even with other holy books the Tora and quran if im not mistaken were the old testament with a slight diff in translation (correct me if I am wrong).
But like i said I believe in a higher power based on the principle that at some point int he universe science no matter what still has to explain where in the hell matter came from in the first place. And no matter what some things just arent explainable to me. So where as I believe in evolution and all that I just may not believe that adam and ever were exactly homo saipien moreso than a way to explain back then where the hell we came from when no other definition seemed to fit.
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I Dont Believe In None Of That...You Live For A While..Then You Die..Thats It LOL
I wish life was that simple. Sadly, it's not.
Life is a combination of experiences, trials, misfortunes and so on... It's far more complex then you're making it out to be. Once you 'die' your body goes through a metamorphosis stage and changes from the inside out.
The 'soul' vanishes. To what and where? We don't know.
Religion is a subject I would much rather ignore, but I might jump in on it alittle bit later.
After reading all of this: I wish I could prove to non-believers that God is real. But, If I could do this, it would end what God wants. God wants us to believe in Him "in faith". So, if I could prove to all that God is real it would change "faith" to "fact" making us just like angels(Created by God for worship). That's what makes us and our worship special... We "choose" to worship Him.
Ran you are going to be hard pressed to find facts for God because he wants you to believe in Faith. Question for you - Are you trying to spend time seeking Him? Prayer is common way of communication. If you seek Him you will find Him. I'm not saying you have to go to church, church is "suppose" to make it easier to focus...
I love to read over these post though... It actually increases my faith because no one can actually prove or dis-prove God....
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Or hell Ill go into my own person BS.
I am a very skepitcal person. I had a lot of friends who were "church nerds" or whatever, but they were still good friends of mine. I grew up with the guys, was in boyscouts with some of them and so on. There was one particular friend, his name is Matt. His last name will not be shared. Matt really took well to church, he was always helping out around the events, he did the school events and damn a lot of people looked up to him. I consider him like an older brother, great guy and Ill never forget him.
Well story in a nutshell, hanging out with some buddies one night working on a particular GTO Matt was there. I pulled Matt aside for a minute, and said when he had a chance sometime this week I had something I needed his help on. ( I was very general about it, I sorta made it out to be school related) Well a week went by, I got a chance to meet up with him at his house. He happened to be with another church like buddy which sorta confused me, but whatever. We all were BSing and all that but Matt finally asked what I needed help with. Flat out, right there, I asked Matt why he believed in God.
And what truely impressed me (I guess God wanted to impress me this day) is that Matt didn't have to clear his throat, or even pause for a second. Matt knew I was going to ask that exact question, and for about a week he had been looking up verses and particular stuff he wanted to show me. Matt told me about faith, lots of christain stuff I didn't know and so on. I wasnt raised by a church family, I wouldn't know this. I actually had to ask who the virgin mary was.... (yes I know, Im a retard lol)
Well time went on, I went to church with Matt quite a few times, I tried to embrace religion or whatever, but it honestly wasnt doing much for me. I questioned it a lot, I thought of the skeptical parts in which I could disprove, and so on.
So a couple years go on, I never really accepted god into my life and I went about my business. But something happened. Its about 5:10 am on a thursday morning, I wake up to my buddy slamming on my window on my apartment in statesboro ga. I check my phone for the time and I have 28 missed calls and 7 texts. "Oh ****" I thought to myself, this better be good.
Well, as most of you heard in the news and I made a thread about it. Lauren Ashley Burk of Auburn had been murdered. It was all over the news, this girl was a freshman at Auburn was murdered. I have literally never known a sweeter girl in my entire life. She was gorgeous, smart, and just wow... such a sweetheart. Anyways, I find out what happened, end up going to waffle house with the group in statesboro that used to hang out with her... (About 5 of us really knew her well down there), we all make a few phone calls to old friends, it was really hard.
Well this particular weekend, every single person of the old friends from whatever college came back to the area (Marietta) for sort of a reuinion thing. Again it was hard, but it was good to see some old friends at a time like this. Most of us were pretty heart broken over this, as you might understand. The funeral was on saturday, we were all there. It was a pretty big funeral, I can't believe how many people came for her. Hey boyfriend Sean, had it rough boy... Damn... that guy was torn the hell up. The couple were very very close.
So the funeral goes on and just something about it continues in my heard and deep inside of me just the same as when I woke up 2 days before at 5:10am and I couldn't figure it out. It was bringing me down or bringing me up, I couldnt tell.
Long story short, I asked basically asked God in the funeral to guide me in my life and so on. And I am not embaressed at all to share that with compeltely random people. But however, point being as skeptical as I was it took something that big just for me to ask for God for help. However I was still looking for that sign, that thing that would happen to show me that I got my message to a higher power. So basically thats my leap of faith there.
A few weeks went by, and I hadn't thought about it, nor been waiting for that sign/message really. I realized it would come when it comes. So one night, I was with some friends, we smoked a joint. (Get over it) And at my state of mind I figured out that I never need a sign, I never had one originally because from then on I was openly telling people my story and spreading my faith. And it took something like that girl getting murdered to get me to make that leap of faith. And now I have complete faith in my religion, I know where I am going. I don't nessacery go to church every sunday, nor follow every single rule. But I don't think its about that. I think its about being a damn good person, helping those when they need, and just trying to do something with your life and appreciate it for what it is.
And the reason I brought up Matt in the first place is, on the way back to southern one night, I called Matt and told him what happened. He was estatic, we probably talked for like an hour and a half about everything that happened previously, that day we talked and I asked him why he believed in god and so much other stuff. But damn, all I can say is the lord works in misterious ways...
And as I think that, I couldn't be happier. I realized I needed to get out of southern, get back to kennesaw and get a job while in school to get me busy. I realized getting ano
her bike was a bad idea and Id probably end up hurt on one. And plenty of stuff other I realize.
But damn Ill tell you this, without that leap of faith my life would be completely different at the time. I wouldn't have a job that pays ridiculous for my age, most people would kill for a job like mine. (I don't discuss numbers) Ive re-found my bad habit of car projects (Hell it could be alot worse lol) and quite a few other things.
But any of you who question your situation, or religion and think to yourself when am I going to see something that sparks me or kicks my thinking to even consider faith, stop waiting. I found my answer/notion/sign whatever later on and I understand now.
I know someo of you will probably cut my post up, quote stuff out and call me out on things, but thats fine. Go for it. Its meaningless, your not going to talk me out of something.
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How do you know this for sure?
It's kinda clear that all of the current churches and priests are out for one thing. And that's making everyone they can into following the way's of Christ. To keep returning to their Church to give out donations.
You yourself, can't prove that God is real.
All you can prove to us, is that there are ancient scripts out there that tell of a man with mystical powers that once lived. That's it. No true facts of his existence.
No one wants to spend anytime seeking a being they know they'll never be able to see. All people really want are answers. Church doesn't give us, answers. They give us a better understanding at how life revolves around certain morals and how we should follow the path to happiness.
In reality. People don't usually walk out of church with new knowledge on anything.
I like reading stuff like this cause it gives me a better understanding on other people's point of views. And how people with faith react to non-believers.
You're right though. No one can 'disprove' God, but no one here can prove he exists. So it's an equal discussion. With equal points.
Last edited by adios; 07-12-2008 at 01:50 AM.
Just like disproving flying spaghetti monster.
Thats funny because the very science you argue for proves that he existed. Whether or not you want to believe he was a higher being, Jesus was historically proven a real person.
Any Theologist or Anthropologist / Archaeoligist will tell you that despite their religious beliefs.
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I bet you watched the show that talked about his remains on Discovery Channel and automatically believed it, because, well, Discovery Channel said it so it must be true.
Right? Wrong!
Even if they could find any remains, of Jesus Christ. How would they know he had special powers? Powers of healing and the power to bring people back from the dead?
They can't! And wouldn't be able to.
They could check it's DNA, but what would that tell you? They can't possible say that its dna is identical to God's himself.
Plus, who's talking about Jesus? I was referring to God in my post.
EDIT: After going back and reading what I posted, I can understand and see how you would think I was talking about Jesus. My mistake.
Let me leave you with something interesting to read. Read it all, and let me know what you think. vvv
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n2514360.shtml
Last edited by adios; 07-12-2008 at 05:16 AM.
How does god feel about me pooping on my partner's chest during intercourse?
Nope, never watched it.
But the overwhelming majority of people will tell you he is a real person, and just like i posted, not one necessarily with any kind of powers, just a guy named Jesus of Nazareth.
and ofcourse you can't prove God's existence, Faith is the entire basis of it. Faith is what keeps so many coming back for more, but at the same time it pushes away so many from the church because they can't see or hear it. It all depends on the type of person you are and if you are ready to accept something like that.
I personally don't know for sure that my religion is true, but i do not understand why someone would despite its factual basis WANT to believe something like there is no God and there is no point to life. If thats your idealism then why not just roll over and give up?
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That's actually not really how logic or science work. Having no evidence for the existence of something doesn't put its potential existence at an equal footing with its thus far observed non-existence.
I understand what you're saying.
Just because there is more evidence of God not existing then the other side of the table must hold more weight compared to the side with faith and God followers, right?
Well uh, that's fine and all. Yet people with no faith in God can only bring up so many excuses/facts for it not existing. I choose not to believe in God myself, because I'm a man of Science. Still, that doesn't help me out much in this topic.
All it's good for is bringing up facts to disprove to a certain extent there ever being a man with a power level of 9000 who could do whatever it is he felt like doing.
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i find stuff like this rather interesting...what ppl believe n what not. But thats just it, ppl believe for different reasons, Many of which are wrong. When asked why you believe in what you do, can you honestly defend your faith?
If you know the route to safety, how can you tell others who have never been that way, and expect them to trust you with their lives? can you just say, "i feel this is the right thing", and expect to others to follow. And for those who look down on ppl sharing their faith in the preaching work...why? why look down on them "when faith without works are dead". did not jesus go on preaching in the synagogs and throught all judea and galalee?
What you believe means your life. how u live day to day, and if you are going to live forever. ppl have become so apathetic and religiously passive, allowing MAN to dictate what they believe in. 2 Timothy 3:16 says it all make sure you judge your beliefs as admonished there.
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