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    I read part of the first page to be hoenst, but I did have some things to add.

    First off, true christains don't really refer to themselves as "christains". Now its supposed to be "followers of christ" mainly because of all the fake people and things of that nature. It seems to weed out the ones in church that just come to show their neighbors and friends they are good people but have absolutely not reason to be there.

    Second, reguarding hell/external fire breathing never ending pain blah blah blah... You can find this quote EVERYWHERE... "The greatest story every told was that the devil did NOT exist". And it is spoke of many times in the bible (I dont feel like quoting, I was at a concert last night and massively hung over) that there will be plenty of misleading things/misguides and what-not. Look at the Zeitgheist movie, go ahead and actually research that crap. Its all BS. Atleast the religion part. I had a couple friends of mine research it for me. Most of the rest of the movie is dubbed over and if you do any video editing, its very poorly done.
    I believe that movie to be one the misleading things spoke of in the bible, it really affected a lot of people and it ****ed with me a little bit, Ill admit. But then again, it more than reassured my faith when I found out the truth in the movie because I realized how hard someone tried to break people of it and failed horribly.
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    Im a true Christian and I and all my friends call ourselves Christians. Thats the only word i know for it. But I agree, it does mean follower of Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 99hatch
    Im a true Christian and I and all my friends call ourselves Christians. Thats the only word i know for it. But I agree, it does mean follower of Christ.
    so basically that means you lie, cheat, steal, and sin like a motherfvcker in general but repent at the end of the day right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shagwAg3n
    so basically that means you lie, cheat, steal, and sin like a motherfvcker in general but repent at the end of the day right?
    No need to pick a fight Wayne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shagwAg3n
    so basically that means you lie, cheat, steal, and sin like a motherfvcker in general but repent at the end of the day right?
    Well Repenting for you sin is asking for forgiveness and trying to live your life for the better. I have made mistakes in the past but you have to try to never do them again. Its not like a go out on a murder spree and steal cars everyday then say well as long as i say im sorry everything is gravy. You ask for forgiveness and then you strive to never do what you did again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 99hatch
    Well Repenting for you sin is asking for forgiveness and trying to live your life for the better. I have made mistakes in the past but you have to try to never do them again. Its not like a go out on a murder spree and steal cars everyday then say well as long as i say im sorry everything is gravy. You ask for forgiveness and then you strive to never do what you did again.
    so let me get this straight, the christian god creates an imperfect man (even though it's in his own image) that is created w/urges and thoughts and temptations (coming from one of his own fallen angels that he lets roam about the world) to push man to sin.....yet all he has to do is ask forgiveness, but at the same time try not to do it again.....sound complex and confusing? well that's bc it is, essentially it just sounds like a huge mindfvck to me, a giant game where man are the actors and stage playing out some day time soap opera while god sits back and watches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shagwAg3n
    so let me get this straight, the christian god creates an imperfect man (even though it's in his own image) that is created w/urges and thoughts and temptations (coming from one of his own fallen angels that he lets roam about the world) to push man to sin.....yet all he has to do is ask forgiveness, but at the same time try not to do it again.....sound complex and confusing? well that's bc it is, essentially it just sounds like a huge mindfvck to me, a giant game where man are the actors and stage playing out some day time soap opera while god sits back and watches.
    Actually, you're wrong right off the bat. God created a perfect man in his image. Imperfect came when Adam took the fruit of knowledge. Prior to that there was no lust, temptation, ect...

    As for repentance, it's all based on sincerity. One doesn't go murder someone then go to confessional and all is clear. Sincerity of heart is everything. We can't see that, but God can and that's what makes the difference.

    Just playing devil's advocate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Actually, your wrong right off the bat. God created a perfect man in his image. Imperfect came when Adam took the fruit of knowledge. Prior to that there was no lust, temptation, ect...

    As for repentance, it's all based on sincerity. One doesn't go murder someone then go to confessional and all is clear. Sincerity of heart is everything. We can't see that, but God can and that's what makes the difference.
    Exactly on both accounts. Just like it says in the defintion of repent. .to feel such sorrow for sin or fault as to be disposed to change one's life for the better; be penitent. So you want to change your life for the better. Be sincere about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Actually, you're wrong right off the bat. God created a perfect man in his image. Imperfect came when Adam took the fruit of knowledge. Prior to that there was no lust, temptation, ect...

    As for repentance, it's all based on sincerity. One doesn't go murder someone then go to confessional and all is clear. Sincerity of heart is everything. We can't see that, but God can and that's what makes the difference.

    Just playing devil's advocate.
    fair enough, but at the same time, what's w/the setup from the get go? 1) why have the tree/apple/snake there in the first place? 2) if he created a PERFECT man, then how was it that he made such an imperfect decision to take the apple? i mean is that saying that god, in all his perfectness could also stumble and make a mistake?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shagwAg3n
    so basically that means you lie, cheat, steal, and sin like a motherfvcker in general but repent at the end of the day right?
    here is the definition of the word repent, just to show you. Especially check out #2.



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    Quote Originally Posted by 99hatch
    Im a true Christian and I and all my friends call ourselves Christians. Thats the only word i know for it. But I agree, it does mean follower of Christ.


    Quote Originally Posted by shagwAg3n
    so basically that means you lie, cheat, steal, and sin like a motherfvcker in general but repent at the end of the day right?
    you quoted what i said about being a true Christian and put it in bold, then said the previous statement. How is that not directed at me I ask you?

    Also Belief and Believe are the same word with the exception one is used as a noun and one is used as a verb. They have the same definition.
    Last edited by 99hatch; 07-08-2008 at 02:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 99hatch
    [/i]you quoted what i said about being a true Christian and put it in bold, then said the previous statement. How is that not directed at me I ask you?
    you my friend have clearly never heard of sarcasm...

    Quote Originally Posted by 99hatch
    Also Belief and Believe are the same word with the exception one is used as a noun and one is used as a verb. They have the same definition.
    bravo, so where's the difficulty in using them properly again if it's that simple?

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