"Christians" Look Here - Questions & Answers

[Ran]

To me Agnostic is not a believe. It is just a cop out for someone who cant make up their mind. Im not trying to call you out personally, im just saying that people made up Agnostic like it was a religion, but really its just saying you have no clue what you want to believe but you dont want to be called and athiest or a christian for that matter. But Agnostics truely have no belief. That is whats aggravating to me about those who claim Agnostic. If you are unsure in your beliefs i can understand that, everyone has doubt because you dont know 100%. As humans we like proof that we can see/hear/touch, and everything in life is not that way.

Nobody ever claimed Agnosticism to be a religion. It's an identifier or classification if anything. By your argument, you say that it's okay to have doubt since we're human, but it's aggrivating that agnostics have this doubt. That's either really confusing or I'm mixing your words up.

To say that agnostics have no belief is kind of generalizing everyone who is questioning the supernatural. For a lot of people it's not a cop out. We're not Christian but we're not Atheist. We're undecided due to a lack of evidence for either argument. It's just a term to idenify our stance while we pursue answers.

I'm sure you weren't trying to be offensive, I just wanted to try and clarify.

[99hatch]

Yeah i was thinking about it after i typed it and i didnt mean to say religion. I just mean that the term Agnostic is kinda a cop out. People have doubts and they dont want to stand on one side of the fence or the other. But i have just known some people that said they were agnostic and meant it like it was their belief system (this is what i was implying not religion sorry for that). IMO Agnostic is a belief that you have no beliefs. Know what i mean. I wasnt trying to say that people who are unsure are copping out but more the term in general. Like it says in the definitionthat was posted earlier:


agnostic according to MB:
1: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2: a person unwilling to commit to an opinion about something

[Blitanicle99]

I read part of the first page to be hoenst, but I did have some things to add.

First off, true christains don't really refer to themselves as "christains". Now its supposed to be "followers of christ" mainly because of all the fake people and things of that nature. It seems to weed out the ones in church that just come to show their neighbors and friends they are good people but have absolutely not reason to be there.

Second, reguarding hell/external fire breathing never ending pain blah blah blah... You can find this quote EVERYWHERE... "The greatest story every told was that the devil did NOT exist". And it is spoke of many times in the bible (I dont feel like quoting, I was at a concert last night and massively hung over) that there will be plenty of misleading things/misguides and what-not. Look at the Zeitgheist movie, go ahead and actually research that crap. Its all BS. Atleast the religion part. I had a couple friends of mine research it for me. Most of the rest of the movie is dubbed over and if you do any video editing, its very poorly done.
I believe that movie to be one the misleading things spoke of in the bible, it really affected a lot of people and it ****ed with me a little bit, Ill admit. But then again, it more than reassured my faith when I found out the truth in the movie because I realized how hard someone tried to break people of it and failed horribly.

[99hatch]

Im a true Christian and I and all my friends call ourselves Christians. Thats the only word i know for it. But I agree, it does mean follower of Christ.

[ShooterMcGavin]

Im a true Christian and I and all my friends call ourselves Christians. Thats the only word i know for it. But I agree, it does mean follower of Christ.

so basically that means you lie, cheat, steal, and sin like a motherfvcker in general but repent at the end of the day right?

[Ran]

so basically that means you lie, cheat, steal, and sin like a motherfvcker in general but repent at the end of the day right?

No need to pick a fight Wayne.

[99hatch]

so basically that means you lie, cheat, steal, and sin like a motherfvcker in general but repent at the end of the day right?

Well Repenting for you sin is asking for forgiveness and trying to live your life for the better. I have made mistakes in the past but you have to try to never do them again. Its not like a go out on a murder spree and steal cars everyday then say well as long as i say im sorry everything is gravy. You ask for forgiveness and then you strive to never do what you did again.

[ShooterMcGavin]

Well Repenting for you sin is asking for forgiveness and trying to live your life for the better. I have made mistakes in the past but you have to try to never do them again. Its not like a go out on a murder spree and steal cars everyday then say well as long as i say im sorry everything is gravy. You ask for forgiveness and then you strive to never do what you did again.

so let me get this straight, the christian god creates an imperfect man (even though it's in his own image) that is created w/urges and thoughts and temptations (coming from one of his own fallen angels that he lets roam about the world) to push man to sin.....yet all he has to do is ask forgiveness, but at the same time try not to do it again.....sound complex and confusing? well that's bc it is, essentially it just sounds like a huge mindfvck to me, a giant game where man are the actors and stage playing out some day time soap opera while god sits back and watches.

[99hatch]

so basically that means you lie, cheat, steal, and sin like a motherfvcker in general but repent at the end of the day right?

here is the definition of the word repent, just to show you. Especially check out #2.



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[99hatch]

Im a true Christian and I and all my friends call ourselves Christians. Thats the only word i know for it. But I agree, it does mean follower of Christ.

so basically that means you lie, cheat, steal, and sin like a motherfvcker in general but repent at the end of the day right?

you quoted what i said about being a true Christian and put it in bold, then said the previous statement. How is that not directed at me I ask you?

Also Belief and Believe are the same word with the exception one is used as a noun and one is used as a verb. They have the same definition.

[ShooterMcGavin]

[/i]you quoted what i said about being a true Christian and put it in bold, then said the previous statement. How is that not directed at me I ask you?

you my friend have clearly never heard of sarcasm...

Also Belief and Believe are the same word with the exception one is used as a noun and one is used as a verb. They have the same definition.

bravo, so where's the difficulty in using them properly again if it's that simple?

[ShooterMcGavin]

Yeah i was thinking about it after i typed it and i didnt mean to say religion. I just mean that the term Agnostic is kinda a cop out. People have doubts and they dont want to stand on one side of the fence or the other. But i have just known some people that said they were agnostic and meant it like it was their belief system (this is what i was implying not religion sorry for that). IMO Agnostic is a belief that you have no beliefs. Know what i mean. I wasnt trying to say that people who are unsure are copping out but more the term in general. Like it says in the definitionthat was posted earlier:


agnostic according to MB:
1: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2: a person unwilling to commit to an opinion about something

it's Agnostic is just a term than i can easily say Christian is just a term as well, a cop out for those who want to be assured "eternal salvation" yet who are oftentimes the most hypocritical and judgmental.

[99hatch]

it's Agnostic is just a term than i can easily say Christian is just a term as well, a cop out for those who want to be assured "eternal salvation" yet who are oftentimes the most hypocritical and judgmental.

Except that Christianity has an entire culture of beliefs that come with it. But Agnostic is not a belief, its the lack of beliefs.

[ShooterMcGavin]

Except that Christianity has an entire culture of beliefs that come with it. But Agnostic is not a belief, its the lack of beliefs.

so the BELIEF that there aren't any religious beliefs is a lack of beliefs? i do believe you just successfully duped yourself!

[99hatch]

so the BELIEF that there aren't any religious beliefs is a lack of beliefs? i do believe you just successfully duped yourself!

No if you read the definition that YOU posted earlier. It states that Agnostics dont believe in either. They dont believe there is a God but then again they dont believe their isnt. They are just waiting for proof either way right? Well that is not a belief, that is merely a question. I belief that you have duped yourself!

[ShooterMcGavin]

No if you read the definition that YOU posted earlier. It states that Agnostics dont believe in either. They dont believe there is a God but then again they dont believe their isnt. They are just waiting for proof either way right? Well that is not a belief, that is merely a question. I belief that you have duped yourself!

wtf? you clearly do not understand the definition that's been posted. just bc you can't commit to believing in the existence or nonexistence of a god doesn't mean you don't BELIEVE in your own BELIEF that you don't know.

btw, i'm certain that you don't understand the difference between BELIEF and BELIEVE.