No if you read the definition that YOU posted earlier. It states that Agnostics dont believe in either. They dont believe there is a God but then again they dont believe their isnt. They are just waiting for proof either way right? Well that is not a belief, that is merely a question. I belief that you have duped yourself!Originally Posted by shagwAg3n
so the BELIEF that there aren't any religious beliefs is a lack of beliefs? i do believe you just successfully duped yourself!
wtf? you clearly do not understand the definition that's been posted. just bc you can't commit to believing in the existence or nonexistence of a god doesn't mean you don't BELIEVE in your own BELIEF that you don't know.
btw, i'm certain that you don't understand the difference between BELIEF and BELIEVE.
be·lieve
verb, -lieved, -liev·ing. –verb (used without object)
1.to have confidence in the truth, the existence, or the reliability of something, although without absolute proof that one is right in doing so: Only if one believes in something can one act purposefully. –verb (used with object)
be·lief
Show IPA Pronunciation –noun
1.confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof: a statement unworthy of belief.
2. something believed; an opinion or conviction
They mean the exact same thing. Now you are just trying to attack me based on my vocabulary usage. Why dont you just stay on topic here.
Yes based on the definition you gave it shows you have no belief in why we are in existence. Plus if you look at the defenition of belief it says something believed: an opinion or conviction, but in your definition of Agnostic:
agnostic according to MB:
1: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2: a person unwilling to commit to an opinion about something
How can you have a belief in something that you dont have an opinion on. which is basicly stating you dont have any belief on. Its saying you dont know and hold no opinion on whether there is a God.
i'm not attacking anyone, i'm just pointing out you clearly have issues differing between the two when composing sentences. it's hard for me to take someone seriously in a serious discussion about a serious topic if they can't even use such simple words correctly.
clearly you're trying to get into a technical discussion of semantics here and word usage. i will be simple and brief and state only that just bc one might not be COMMITTED to believing in something, that doesn't mean they don't AT ALL. i'd further debate the meanings of words such as commit or opinion or conviction but i hardly see a point in discussing semantics and pragmatics with someone who hasn't demonstrated a firm grasp of the english language, no offense.
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