Yes, I think he will tear us apart.
No, he will bring us closer together.
I'm not really sure how you got that out of ANYTHING I said.Originally Posted by tony
Do you really believe we left Vietnam because of victory?
You said that we didn't stay in Vietnam and waste of billions of dollars and thousands of lives... and I said isn't that exactly what we did?
You're wrong, I don't know where you're getting this from at all. They were the ones who shelled out. I'm not sure if you remember your history but Japan started the war with China/Australia/The U.S. etc, not the other way around. Typically, after a war you don't say "well, you attacked us first but we're sorry you lost, here's some money to fix your place up". Substantial aid was given to European countries post world war II for fear of communism taking hold, but nothing was given to Japan.
"According to the Treaty of Peace with Japan and the bilateral agreements, Japan agreed to pay around 1 trillion and 30 billion yen. For countries that renounced any reparations from Japan, it agreed to pay indemnity and/or grants in accordance with bilateral agreements."
Apology given, I took it out of context. One would assume that we learned from Vietnam BUT vietnam didn't have oil fields like Iraq.
If anyone remembers when the war was proposed that the funding would come from the revenue of Iraq oil.. now 5 years later the U.S has paid $400 Billion while our economy has crumbled.
Sorry, I didn't realize I lost credibility when I don't feel that a country which had two low yield atomic bombs dropped on it was "broken" in the same sense a country with no effective government subject to foreign occupation which frequently commits highly visible acts of heinous violence/egregious violations of human rights and sectarian violence is "broken".
Its actually well over 500 billion dollars now. The thing is, that's all borrowed money. When you borrow that much money, it increases the supply of the dollar and is one of the identifiable causes of the tremendous down turn in the value of the dollar in terms of currency exchange.
So.. I guess by that standard every country who does not maintain a certain standard deserves a nuclear bomb to be dropped on them. All while we make the case that certain countries do not need nuclear technology because of how they may act with it, interesting.
Some of you guys are acting like this is a video game.. like the loss of life is just a number. These are real people. ONE loss of life is a big deal especially when its conflict that could have been avoided. So to bring this full circle, again this is why I support Obama. He gets ridiculed for talking diplomacy rather than war but diplomacy saves lives.. as did Reagan with Russia.
They are real people, but they're not the same situation and you can't compare the occupation of Japan to the occupation of Iraq. Unless you comapre them and come to the conclusion afterwards that ITS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
Also, I wasn't making a statement about who deserves to be nuked, who deserves to be able to nuke other people, etc etc. I was just saying the two situations aren't the same. You're pulling all this other stuff out of nowhere. Quit being so dramatic.
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Agreed, just shows how manipulative politicians and the media can be.
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BLACK AND WHITE thats how this argument is thats how this country is thats how it will always be unfortunaly.
i dont see race i dont see a foul word i dont see things that are just that THINGS being hurtful but just stupid **** that 1 person or another will eventually be offended by.
go find a mexican or asian to run... i bet the same bull**** gets pulled up
(UHHH UHH ASIANS EAT DOGS THATS WRONG! :B
(UHHH UHH MY LAWN GETS MOWED BY A MEXICAN HOW COULD HE RUN FOR PRESIDENT! :B
I hate being a white male because we take the most **** out of anyone BECAUSE the country picks the stupidest mother****er to run this god forsaken time bomb we call America...
I believe the teens of today are gettign better on race but god damn this countrys full of some ignorant people why just the other day i pulled up to a car with two white girls and 2 white guys singing to some rapper talkin about being the wrong color in his hood gets you shot. WHAT THE ****!
I say We bomb the trailer parks Bomb the ghetto Bomb the churches and start the **** over leaving whats left to fend for itself.. im moving to the UK ASA i have my funds together because im tired of this stupid bull****...
**** THIS COUNTRY FOR ITS RACIST RELIGIOUS AND POLITICAL VIEWS!
TO QUOTE M.L.K. "F*C* YALL NIGG*S IM MOVIN TO CANADA" -boondocks
Blood, Sweat, and Tires.
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And lemme guess IM WRONG IM JUST SO WRONG FOR BEING THE ONE WHO STOOD UP IN FRONT OF A SCHOOL FILLED WITH REDNECKS AND SAID **** YOUR GOD **** YOUR COUNTRY AND **** YOUR RACIST ASS VIEWS....
(CORRECTION) because a black kid died @ our school and they were all about "hell ya 1 less N*****"
and yeah my ass was wooped but even if a handfull of ppl agreed with me it was worth it...
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your ass deserved to get beat... oh by the way, isn't what you just said stereotypical? Not all rednecks are racist. and to tell someone to "**** YOUR GOD **** YOUR COUNTRY AND **** YOUR RACIST ASS VIEWS...." I think you have no credit to talk about anyone else's views... You seem real open minded.
Back to being stock and slow
im very open mided thank you but thers a hand full of races and 2000000000 religions. to stand up for what i believe makes me american... THATS HOW THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ppl with different views escaping the conformaty.
Thats the little part history class in the good ole bible belt leaves out. because why would they want someone to believe any different.
ignorace is having two american flags and a support our troups magnet on a ford explorer.
or putting a bumper sticker on your SUV saying JESUS IS GOD
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"WE ARE THE ALL SINGING ALL DANCING CRAP OF THE WORLD"
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How does this define ignorance? The two American flags and a support our troops magnet, is in fact that. support... You might not support the war but you should still support the troops. Just to go along with you, what were the first beliefs that caused ppl to found this country? Was it not religion? You saying ignorance is a bumper sticker saying JESUS IS GOD, is the same as you saying there is no God. Well I believe in God, and the Bible called you a fool for not believing. It proves itself true again.
Back to being stock and slow
Hmmm, guess I am wrong, I thought that it did not make sense, but I could of sworn I was told that just last semister, thanks for clearing that up though
buy my plane ticket and send me away!
spoken like an american "EVERYTHINGS EASY IN THIS COUNTRY WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO WORK HARD?"
THE ONLY PEOPLE I SEE THAT ARE RELIGIOUS 90% of the time WERE raised racist or HAVE HAD EVERYTHING HANDED TO THEM ON A SILVER ****ING PLATTER.
(and thus for when they prey that night for that biig job interview daddys helping them with they get it OH and it wasnt the money and ivey league school your money paid for it was GOD, God just picked you out of the world and said youll get the job.)
i spent 2 years on the streets ON MY OWN WITH NO ONE TO HAVE MY BACK! I TRYED GOD YEAH BIG HELP THAT WAS!
I have faith in 4 things.
myself
My Very Close friends (5) & family (2)
and the end of the word
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not once have i said your wrong.. im just sayong this country is so blind to its own downfall
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not once have i said your wrong.. im just saying this country is so blind to its own downfall
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Yeah, professors can frequently be wrong to varying degrees. My current Econ teacher's Pakistani accent is too thick for any of his colleagues to have noticed by now that he's totally incompetent.Hmmm, guess I am wrong, I thought that it did not make sense, but I could of sworn I was told that just last semister, thanks for clearing that up though
this thread is circleing the drain
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I try to avoid these discussions, but I'm going to throw my nickel's worth in here. One night, right before super Tuesday, I was having a conversation with a VERY well educated driver who happens to be one of my regulars. [He's black, not that it matters, but this seems somewhat relevant here.] The conclusion we came to was this: If Barack Obama does succeed in his campaign and get elected, he won't be around long enough to effect things one way or another.
I know, I know, you're thinking 'WTFzorz he gotz 4 yaers!11!!'.
True, however, consider the last time we had a young, charismatic, very strong democrat president? 1961.
Now, here's where you 'believe what you see' types start yelling about conspiracy theories. I only ask that you do some research before calling me a nut job. Forward to the point, however. I honestly feel that IF Obama gets elected, it will be another Kennedy. Originally, I hadn't thought of this, but the similarities between the two were pointed out to me, like I said, by a very well educated, VERY liberal man.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want the guy to get killed. I'm just making the statement that there are policies and procedures in place that many of us would be irate about if we knew of their existence. Honestly, I want you to truly think about every president we've had that tried to make a significant change in our country's system. Magically, their protection was no good and they were assassinated, to be replaced by their much more centrist VP. Both times that we've had a president assassinated, they either had changed or were trying to change things in a way that did or could've divided the country.
Lincoln --> JFK -->Obama?
No, I'm not purposely leaving out the failed attempt on Reagan, either, but I really do believe that was just some crazy guy trying to kill a president that HE didn't like. The other two, I believe otherwise about.
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Not likely, security procedures have become more complex/thorough and the man power protecting the president has become better equipped, better trained and more numerous as well since the 1860s and the 1960s.
Also, Lincoln and Reagan weren't young. The dude who tried to assassinate Reagan wasn't really politically motivated, he just had a boner for Jodie Foster.
He pointed that out in his post. But to make a point, no matter your security, if someone wants to kill you, they will kill you.
well they are going to have to get through about 40 of these
My opinion is that even if obama did not make it a race issue the sheeple of america will still vote because he is black. Just like woman are voting for clinton because she is a woman. Many of those people do not even know what any of the candidates stand for but they are just blindly voting.
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Wow......
So, um....how about the "just another white president"? Sounds dumb huh?
Why can't he just be another GUY that gives good speeches (better than a whole lot of people), with great content, and hope for the country.
If nothing else he makes you feel good. I pray that you are not racist/prejudice. We really do not need anymore of those around here.
If he was purple, spoke the same, carried himself the same........you get the point.
Hilary's lying ass needs to be dropped like a bad habit. Its one thing to lose, but another to cheat and STILL lose......freaking loser ass loser
I guess you can say the same thing about macain too. Senior citizens are going to vote for him because he is on his last leg just like all of them. I would be more worried about Seniors, they actually come out in vote
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don't you think it's funny that the only "dirt" they have on obama is something that his PREACHER said! or am i the only one that finds this amusing?
Yes because he's got 40 of those on his ass day in and day out. LOL, get real.well they are going to have to get through about 40 of these
The problem is a little more complex about that. Its not so much what he preacher said, its what his preacher said and he didnt take any action which means he agrees with it. I find it very hard to believe that Wright only made these "sermons" when Obama wasnt there. That brings a question to Obama's objectivity, and reasoning.
What exactly did the preacher say that you disagreed with?
White people created aids to give to black people?
I could continue if you like
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Ah stop complainin, if the man wins he wins, if he doesnt he doesnt. Its time for a change regardless and I quite frankly think that he will make a difference. Not a BIG difference, but I have faith in him. We need no more Clintons, we need no more Republicans, let the man with a dream put that dream into action.
No not just white people, but them GAY FAGGED UP GAYED UP white Californians didWhite people created aids to give to black people?
I could continue if you like
how long of a list do you want?
USKKK of A
The govt created Aids to kill black people
God damn America
The govt gives blacks drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes 3 strike laws
Govt sponsored state terrorism against Palestine and black south africans
Shall I continue?
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Yes the pastor is very controversial but what does he have to do with Barack?
If the pastor was saying these things for 20 years they must be his beliefs also or he would have left the church and never returned. He didnt leave though so he either agree's with those beliefs, or he doesnt have the moral strength to Leave. Either way you look at it he doesnt have the qualities to be president.
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