Originally Posted by The12lber
I am trying to get a job over seas for 4 years...
Yes, I think he will tear us apart.
No, he will bring us closer together.
I am trying to get a job over seas for 4 years...
View the world through a dogs eyes, if you can't screw it or eat it, pi$$ on it and walk away.
are you willing to actually bet? or are you just saying that?
"every insurgent in Iraq joins the Care Bear Klub overnight":
They can even carry the My Little Pony M-4
Or if they are looking for a larger round:
the Hello Kitty AK-47, you can be the cutiest little insurgent on the west said of Haditha.
Last edited by PsychoSquirl; 03-28-2008 at 09:56 PM.
I'd be perfectly content with an atheist being in office. Any logical person could argue that religious beliefs fit the criteria of being delusional. But that's another can of worms all together.
i'm christian and that would actually be good, this way we know church and state lines would not be crossed. Meaning that he wouldn't put his religious beliefs in the way of important decision making
Its unfortunate that the whole religion thing permeates so much. I really like Mike Huckabee but all of his rhetoric about amending the constitution to god's standards? There's a reason the word "god" doesn't appear once in the constitution. Major turn off, Mike Huckabee. The fact that he "understands BBQ" does a lot but doesn't quite make up for it.
I mean it
tempting, we will have to see who wins the nomination before discussing bets any further.
Theres alot to not like Obama also.
1. His Healthcare plan
2. his tax hikes to business
3. expanded welfare
4. Stance on the occupation of Iraq
5. His lack of judgement
6. His lack of national experience
7. his obvious issues with race (taken from his autobiography and his association with his obviously racist pastor)
ill have to watch the video later i have a bad connection at school. but my biggest problem is his lack of experience. he is extremely "young" in the game. and to a certain extent he will divide the country.
So was Bill Clinton.. same with J.F.K, and I think they did pretty well.
both also had alot of problems with extra marital affairs while in office.
Oh and Bill Clinton didnt do a damn thing while in office except bomb someone when he was in trouble. You can never bring up Clinton without mentioning Monica Lewinski and perjury. Just like JFK isnt thought of without a mention of Mariyln Monroe
Its funny to me...Whenever I ask anyone why they do not like Barack Obama they reply, "Oh he's racist" and can never come up with even a piece of decent evidence to why they think he is.
people say hes a racist because he attended a church whose preacher was a racist. He also basicly said he didnt like white people in his book.
I have never even attempted to read his book. I would love to argue you down and say that what you are saying is totally incorrect. Until then, I would love for you to show some actual facts stating that. I believe he has 2 books. Please support your claim or stop letting the liberal media feed you bullshyt. The only thing decent I can say about the democrats is that they are down for the economy with no regards for any war. I think Bush was just a puppet and when McCain gets into office he will be just the same, except for anything war related. That's when his voice will speak out. Like I said, he plainly admitted to not knowing anything about the economy. I honestly think he would be a great Secretary of Defense. But he'd honestly would be a puppet, just like Bush. We don't need that.
K series 626. That's right. It's got a K in it.
Generally, the media is pro-government with no real bias towards any one party - especially considering this statement in relation to the currently little understood terms 'liberal' and "conservative'.
The one big exception is Fox News, they are generally biased against anything not well understood or liked by Rednecks. As a matter of fact, I'm fairly confident they poll the Squidbillies to figure out which political positions their pundits will push.
Fox = mostly conservative
CNN = mostly liberal
however they can not just focus on one party (meaning saying good things about party A and bad things about party B) due to a law, but I forgot what the name of the law was
Experience is nothing when running for president. Which candidate has been commander in chief?
Those of you who said "this country needs to get over the race issue" need to rethink that. Race is still an issue... predominantly African American schools in the inner city are far behind white schools, and out of the number of professional jobs in the US, African Americans are under represented, even with afirmative action. The hard data shows that we are not "equal" in any sense of the word.
Its not just racism toward African Americans, its racism toward other minorities as well. So many of you are quick to point out "Obama's Muslim roots", and point fingers to terrorism. What about the American terrorists? Timothy McVeigh, Eric Robert Rudolph, The Unibomber, Lee Harvey Oswald, etc etc. We are all in an outrage over terrorists sporting beards and turbans but quick to forget that we have been attacked by our own terrorists more often.
Its going to take more to fix the issues of race than to say "OK kids, everybody play nice" lol
Race issues will never be fixed, especially since people from the civil rights era are still alive.
There's a lot of deep seated racism towards middle eastern people. Notice almost every villain in non-science fiction action movie/TV show is an Islamic extremist of Arabic descent - and they're always called terrorists. Its interesting how there are plenty of other bad people out there who utilize the exact same tactics but aren't called terrorists - various groups in South America come to mind. They're always called much friendlier names like paramilitary groups or guerillas, even though they commonly target police and civilians in bombings, intentionally destabilize the government, etc. I'm fairly confident the Cali and Medellin cartels managed to rack up a higher body count than Al Qaeda even when you do include 9/11.
Along the same lines, I like people who insist they don't hold anything against anyone for religious/racial factors but intimate Barack Obama is a Muslim of Middle Eastern lineage like its a bad thing (aside from the fact that this is totally false claim).
this is technically true, but then again, white people from those same schools arent doing any better. Maybe ALL of them should worry more about learning to read and write than they worry about American Idol or whatever it is. Also when you look at blacks that graduate from college, they percentages are FAR closer.
I have never heard of McVeigh being called anything but a terrorist. Same goes for the Unibomber. Oswald was not a terrorist though. He was just someone that assassinated a President. That doesnt make you a terrorist.
As far as Obama's "muslim roots" that simple BS and everyone with half a brain already knows it.
This is true. We need to keep crackpot racists like Wright, Sharpton, Jackson, the ACLU, and the NAACP away from a tv camera. They do nothing more than make a race issue when there isnt one. Duke Lacross team? Jena 6?
I think he was pointing out that Arabs/Muslims are stereotyped strongly as being terrorists where as terrorist style acts by white christians are actually more common here in the 'States.
While there's no hard and fast definition of what is terrorism and what isn't, I'm pretty sure shooting the **** out of a sitting president is something you could definitely categorize as terrorism.
Also, saw your sig - sales taxes are inherently regressive. Its interesting how people love lining up to get shafted by the super wealthy in this country (8 years of Bush and plenty of retards who love McCain).
dayum!!?? this thread is still wheezin?
i'll read the new responses before i speak.....
We shouldnt have been in Iraq anyway.
Why did we go?
-WMDs?
-free their people?
sounds like a bunch of BS. If Cheney and Rumsfeld wanted to liberate people why didnt we invade some subsaharan African nation? Why didnt they decide to go into North Korea? They have WMDs and people that are not free.... hell you even have evidence of WMDs in North Korea. We could EASILY topple any subsaharan African nation, many were there is violence and oppression. North Korea is a third the size of Iraq, a blitzkrig on the DPRK would have effectivly eliminated the threat of them striking back, then a clean up of remaining forces would have been easy. We have clear evidence of WMDs in DPRK and evidence of human oppression. Why did we not invade DPRK?
Because Cheny and Rumsfeld and MANY others wanted the goodies in the middle east, and the joys it could bring them and the people and companies connected to them.
Liberating people and getting rid of WMDs is NOT the true reason we went into Iraq. Think about it, there are countries out there that have not free people, and have others that have WMDs. But the one thing they dont have is resources we need. Also dont forget about the few people it can benefit.
President Dwight Eisenhower warned us about this very thing in his farewell speech to the American public:
"A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction...
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence — economic, political, even spiritual — is felt in every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together."
There is no good reason to stay in Iraq, our job is done there. And once we leave, the insurgent's job will be done too. There is other fighting for power and stuff, but we can leave that to the Iraqi army which we are training and the special forces that we will leave behind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmP8Bgof6KE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfetdjjb3YY -Why We Fight
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/bushswar/ -PBS documentary "Bush's War"
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How come ppl didnt try and stop bush from gettting re-elected like they are tryn to stop obama from getting elected? (p.s. i didnt read any of the 10 pages. Just food for thought.)
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and now the US is comprimising Iraq's sovereignty with new US-Iraq pacts which will establish many permanet US military bases, even the iraqi's dont like it.
I heard something about that vaguely, got a link to more info on it?
first of all *I AM NOT RACIST*.... now thats out of the way....yes the fact that obama might become president startles me....not that I believe Hillary or Mcain could do any better.... I tell you what really made me start thinking is with talks of him being muslim and I saw an email the other day that said it has been predicted that arabic/ middle eastern people will be the ones who will set forth the economic changes in the near future... Im guessing its bec they own so much damn oil for 1.....and 2 they own the majority of business around many countries!....though im not parital to (some of) their ways of fighting and killing not only themselves but everyone else in the world....it just freaks me out to think of what might happen if he gets into office and finally comes out as a muslim and "rallys the troops" so to speak.....but who knows maybe im a littleon the matter....but maybe im not....guess only time will tell........
obama isnt even arab or middle eastern, so.... yeah. and hes not muslim, hes christian, even though his father is muslim.... but who cares?
thanks.
I agree with the general purpose of the agreement, but the timing is horrible. If the US wants bases in Iraq, thats fine, but wait until the country is pacified and a STABLE govt is in place.
The agreement gives us complete control of their airspace and total immunity from Iraqi as well as complete authority within the nation. The Iraqi government still exists, but the United States could override their authority at any time in any way it sees fit.
The agreement basically establishes the United States Empire permanently in Iraq.
I think permanet bases in iraq will cause much anger to their people. It is a slap in the face to their independant sovereighty. Really, pernament US bases in Iraqi will bring a world of trouble and unrest to the area.
Next up for pernament US military bases? Poland and Czech Republic with the missile bases and radar stations, after that? Iran maybe?
The US has actual bases in Germany, England, Iceland, Japan, and Korea. All these other installations are nothing more than maybe an outdated listening post for the NSA, or not even used.
There are no permanent US bases in Australia, Saudi, Afghanistan, or Columbia as your map would suggest.
Yes there are. There is a MAJOR air force base in Germany, its a frequent stop for planes heading to Iraq.
The ones in Japan and Korea are also quite extensive, as they are used to to monitor the North Koreans. And if anything broke out with North Korea, they are the first responders.
The United States pulled out of Saudi Arabia in mid 2003. The major one was our presence at Prince Sultan air base. Which to us, was used for the past 15 years in Operation Southern Watch to moniter the Iraqi no-fly zones and was also used as the command and control center for the invasion of iraq. We used the base as a launching pad for our aircraft. We moved it to Qatar.
We have bases in Australia, theres a new military communications one coming in Geraldton on the west coast. Also dont forget the military satellite intel base in Pine Gap (i think central australia).
And of course there are bases in Afghanistan. And of course those bases can pretty much be described as pernament. Hell, we still have important bases in Japan, and ww2 was over 60 years ago, so you think any base in afghanistan is temporary? rubbish.
We have a proposed base in Columbia in the La Guajira region, and im pretty sure we already have troops there. We also have troops stationed in Manta, Ecuador.
Every source, every map is pretty much the same as the one I posted above.
most of these installations you are talking of, have like 10-12 personell there and are nothing more than listening posts of some sort or another.
Also, if you want to get technical, the US has a military presence in something like 150 countries.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...world_2007.PNG
theres a map with numbers for reference
I have a feeling its going to be a disaster. Does anyone remember the first Palmer administration?
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