Does anybody else feel like Obama will tear apart (divide) the country more than it already is? Feel otherwise? Discuss.
Yes, I think he will tear us apart.
No, he will bring us closer together.
Obama to tear apart the country
Does anybody else feel like Obama will tear apart (divide) the country more than it already is? Feel otherwise? Discuss.
How can someone that is not for what America stands for plus having a wife that is not, and has never been "proud" of this country bring this country closer together? She said she would only be proud if America elected a black president, I don't care what color the president is along as the person stands behind America. (IMO it is just a racist for electing a black president JUST because he is black, as it is to NOT elect a black president because he is black) But anyways, I think a lot of things are going to get torn apart if Obama becomes president...
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Agreed, I wouldn't unnecessarily call it racist but definitely amplified by his race and religion, and I'm talking about a lot of the white people who support him. Not saying don't vote for him, but don't do it just so you can say "I'm not racist, I voted for Obama." Seems to be what's happening.Originally Posted by Motivation
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You know he's a Christian... which is the mainstream religion in this country... right... RIGHT?
I know, that's not really how I meant it, I was slightly intoxicated last night. But people see this stuff in the media and it drives some away and some closer.
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A fair majority of the people I talk to about politics casually around campus and whatever think he is a muslim, and seem slightly put off by this. I think its funny how this demonstrates two things at once... the tremendous degree to which people of voting age are uninformed and how common deep seated xenophobia is.
Can you explain why he is not for what America stands for?
I was referring to the flag and saluting it. The flag is not supposed to just be looked at as some colorful material hanging from a pole, window, a sticker on a car, etc. We should be able to be proud when we see the flag flying...
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Definately. I dont think he personally will do anything. But I think all this coming up lately will bring back the racism issues into full force and Obama eventually will have to pick a side, which will probably be with his pastor like it has been. Then the country will just start dividing over all kinds of race related issues. just my
Just something to think about... His church allows gays to be deacons or whatever, but they don't allow white ppl to join their church... How's that gonna work if he is our president? Also, everything might be fine for a while, but the first time something happens, the race card will be brought up... America can't get past race and it's a sad thing...
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That's so true. I doubt he'll get the nomination now because of all this stuff coming up lately and some people will say it was racist and fixed that he didn't win.
I agree with the above, but also he has not said anything about getting rid of earmarks on bills in congress which is really hurting America, nothing about changing social security in the right way. He does not address the right issues the right way IMO.
If Obama becomes the President of the United States, he will not be my President.
I would like to see some opinions from people who support Obama, don't worry, I'm not going to bash, might argue though.
Yes the country going to divide, but it's not going to because of Obama. It's going to be because of dumb attitudes like this
really explain? So since I do not support Obama, I am making the country more vulnerable to divide? No sir, you are the one with the "dumb attitude". Do you support George Bush, cause if not remember you are the that is making the country divide even more.
as for somebody with real input,
Yes I agree that his speech was perfect and I also think that America needs to get over racism, like Obama said that will not happen now, generations are still alive that went through these pains. Also I agree that the media is hurting Obama badly, however if he becomes president, i can see him messing up real bad. He has no experience with international affairs and we need somebody with that experience because America relies on other countries a.k.a. China.
Bill Clinton, J.F.K and even George W. Bush had no real experience either when they started their campaigns. McCain couldn't even distinguish Al Qaeda from Shiite while in their region, Obama was speaking about these groups at length back in 2002... Internationally I think Obama can do a lot of good for this country since he has a broad understanding due to his diverse upbringing.
In no way do i think think that McCain is the best person for the job, nor Obama or Clinton, however i hate to say this I am in a decision between Clinton and McCain. Hillary does have more experience with international affairs, but that does not mean she will do better with these affairs.
Tony, I'm curious to your thoughts on what all Obama's wife has said about America and also Obama's "support" of America. Mainly about how he does not put his hand over his heart, does this bother you? I know Obama said "This is the USA not the USSR" but still how hard is it to just show this little peice of support?
"During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. -- United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171"
Ever think Obama knows so much about Al Qaeda cause he is from a muslim background? Of all the info about the net, I believe he has muslim roots. Nothing against muslim people but muslim extremests are a larger factor in the war on terrorism. I agree that no nominee is the best the President, but we will see the out come. Change will definitely happen if Obama makes it into office, but I probably wont be for the better of America. Especially if M. Obama is just now "really" of this country. I think it is unpatriotic. And whats up with him not willing to wear the flag pin? Cause he is trying to change america's view on patriotism??Read:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3690000&page=1
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Soooo childish "He said I got a dumb attitude, so I got to tell say it back to him"
I don't even know why I'm explaining why your attitude is dumb, but here it is. You said you wouldn't support him from the jump if he became President. For what reason? He's not the president yet, so he hasn't fail us in anyway way. I could see if he was ****ing up as president to give you a reason not to support him, but you're already writing him off before he even has a chance to prove himself. How would you like it if you went for a job interview and you get decline before you open your mouth, or before you got a chance to show you're talents. It would be BS. So I say before disowning someone as your president, let them **** up before you disown them. As, for Bush, when he became president, I had no reason to dislike, but when he started ****ing up in office thats when I started to dislike him. Unlike you, you don't even wanna give a person a chance. That's why your attitude is dumb as hell and people like you are bring down this country.
If Obama is going to divide this country, who's going to unite it? Can anyone answer that? Because I really want to know who to support this November.This partisan bullcrap is beginning to be a little annoying on both sides.
Obama is going to open old wounds and it is not going to be pretty.
i think hilary will be the same way .... so i could care less .....
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your style of typing hurts my brain...i think hilary will be the same way .... so i could care less .....
i personally don't think obama will tear this country apart. the country right now is already in a very bad position. hilary from what ive heard has her moments and has been called bitchy at times. she's also a woman who im sure doesn't get laid often, so that right there can cause "consentration problems." lol but eh
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No doubt... scary thing is it could start another revolt depending on how Americans take to it... Ever notice he is always saying we need a "change" but he rarely states how he plans on "changing" things? If change is such a big deal to him, I think he should have an arguement on what specific things are included and what he plans to do about it...
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Did you not listen to the speech he gave on Tuesday? Again a prime example of opinion without taking the time to actually listen to what is said.
Clinton, Obama, and McCain are all suspect to me. To this day I'm still undecided. I might have to do a write-in come November. I'll probably make a decision on picking someone later, but right now it's not possible for me.
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the thing is there is never a candidate that you an agre with 100% but its usually over little things. with the ones we have for this election...i cant agree with any of them enough to warrant a vote from me. i dont care what anyone says mccain would be the best leader....but his policy on iraq is retarded at best. i cant vote for mccain...just cant do it. i was leaning towards obama but lately none of them make sense. my president was ron paul.
back on topic though...i dont think obama will tear apart or devide america. i think americans will tear apart and devide america. the reasons?....religion is becoming too involved in politics, we care more about if a gay person is getting married than weather or not our borders are secure, race is too big of a factor in most decisions, and this election is going to be about making history not change. its going to be about voting the first woman into office, or voting the first black man into office (i refuse to use the term african american) or the worst scenario....voting for anyone just to get the republicans out of office becuase of the current state of the country.
how do you honestly think any other president would have handled the situation bush is in now? you have to ask your self this to realize whats going on. it takes more than a president to go to war. the president cant say lets go to war and thats it....it takes others....many of those others were democrats. both reps and dems approved this war so to stick it on dubya alone is stupid.
I highly doubt he can **** up the country or divide it anymore than it already is.
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lol yeah your right, but the fact that a minority is in a position to become president is a signal that change is upon the country, hopefully for the better.
i will also bet that obama will not win. the reason i like mccain is because he's a realist. Honestly, who believes that we can pull out of iraq in six months, one year, or even ten years? Yes, it is a sad reality that we have lost over 4000 soldiers, but media makes it seem like this is ****ing huge. We have lost fewer soldiers in this war than any other war.
Has anyone heard Obama disagree with his ex-pastor? hmmmmm.
I take it you didn't watch his race speach, did you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWe7wTVbLUU
All the ovious flaws that Clinton has and the only thing ya'll have on Barack is his pastor? I mean really? What's not to like about the man? Though I do admit, my only conserns about McCain is his health. 71 years old and has malignant melanoma, or at least healing from it. Not only will he be one of the oldest, but no one knows anything about his health nor has he released anything since 2000. His father lived to be 70 and his grandfather died at 61. I hope that his genes are as strong as his mothers being that she's 94.
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all this speech did was throw his grandmother under the bus as being a racist.
Also if you think he wrote that speech you are an idiot.
agree with 100%
i vote democrat this year.
you would be suprised how bad someone with that much power can screw things up. This is especially true because he will have a very cooperative congress. If he gets half of the programs and policies passed that he wants it will take generations to fix 4 years of his screwups.
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I'll gladly argue for Obama when there is a valid point. Racism was brought into this by conservative talk radio and the Clinton campaign, Barack has gone out of his way not to make this campaign about race but now that he is the front runner all of a sudden its an issue.
Many times he has stated what he means by change but those who say he has substance hardly listen to what he has to say.
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