just now stepping into this thread.. not gonna read up.. but i believe there is a GOD the one being the father of Jesus....
it takes faith to believe and if u need proof then there's no point in believing...
even if u don't believe in my God, i don't see how anyone can act like there isnt something out there... this world is in way too much order for there not to be something....
i'll prolly not return to this thread.. just wanted to throw my 2cents in...
So now, after 6 pages, I am the only one that puts out any tangible evidence in favor of the existence of a god/higher intelligence. No one has offered any refuting evidence to what I have posted, nor has introduced any evidence in opposition to the existence of a god/higher intelligence. So enough with facts until someone has something to add scientifically. I have plenty more design facts waiting if someone does.
So I will add some logic, rather than science. Here is the ultimate logic for the existence of God. In everything, you need balance. God/Devil, Good/Evil, Heaven/Hell, Yin/Yang. I did not write this, it came off another board, but I instantly liked it. Hulud, this is all you....
"The following is an ‘actual’ question given on a University of Liverpool chemistry final exam.
The answer by one student was so “profound” that the professor shared it with colleagues via the Internet.
Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?
Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle’s law that gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed or some variant.
One student, however, wrote the following:
First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.
As for how many souls are entering Hell, let’s look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state that, if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell. Because Boyle’s Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay constant, the volume of Hell must expand proportionately as souls are added. This gives two possibilities:
1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.
2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.
So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Sandra during my freshman year, that “it will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you,” and take into account the fact that I slept with her last night, then number 2 must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is endothermic and has already frozen over. The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is extinct ... leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being - which explains why, last night, Sandra kept shouting “Oh my God.”
THIS STUDENT RECEIVED THE ONLY “A”."
Originally Posted by David88vert
So now, after 6 pages, I am the only one that puts out any tangible evidence in favor of the existence of a god/higher intelligence. No one has offered any refuting evidence to what I have posted, nor has introduced any evidence in opposition to the existence of a god/higher intelligence. So enough with facts until someone has something to add scientifically. I have plenty more design facts waiting if someone does.
So I will add some logic, rather than science. Here is the ultimate logic for the existence of God. In everything, you need balance. God/Devil, Good/Evil, Heaven/Hell, Yin/Yang. I did not write this, it came off another board, but I instantly liked it. Hulud, this is all you....
"The following is an ‘actual’ question given on a University of Liverpool chemistry final exam.
The answer by one student was so “profound” that the professor shared it with colleagues via the Internet.
Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?
Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle’s law that gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed or some variant.
One student, however, wrote the following:
First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.
As for how many souls are entering Hell, let’s look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state that, if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell. Because Boyle’s Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay constant, the volume of Hell must expand proportionately as souls are added. This gives two possibilities:
1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.
2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.
So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Sandra during my freshman year, that “it will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you,” and take into account the fact that I slept with her last night, then number 2 must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is endothermic and has already frozen over. The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is extinct ... leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being - which explains why, last night, Sandra kept shouting “Oh my God.”
THIS STUDENT RECEIVED THE ONLY “A”."
Um obiously you didnt read the thread or anything wrote, b/c your still going on, reread what i wrote then come back.
Your ramblings have had no scientific merit in them - only poor grammer. You have presented nothing in this thread that has any scientific basis. All you keep saying is don't compare fact and faith. We are not. You either already have faith or you don't. What this thread is for is for discusion of facts that are measurable - not faith. I have presented scientific facts that are in favor of the existence of a higher intelligence having designed the universe. You have not offered any similar types of information. Go back and read what you have written, see if you can comprehend your own writing.
there is no scientific evidence of a higher power. Science tends to disagree with your beliefs, and it also shows how the probability of a god is far lower than most people think. I'm far from a scientist, but trying to back up the existence of a god with science is kind of contradicting.
david explained this before
what he is saying is that previous laws of science are contradicting new ones that are trying to disprove that there is a God intervening in our daily lives and the creation of things.
ex ) the big bang theory post he used the law for the conservation of matter to say that matter can neither be created nor destroyed so it doesn't make sense according to science that it could happen, leaving room for there to be a god.
basically science is kicking itself in the ass while trying to disprove god with previous laws... we just have to wait and see if they are to be modified
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