for me, I would have to say yes. I have had to many things happen in my life that cannot be logically explained away to not doubt the power of prayer and GOD. I just cant believe that I'm just that lucky.
for me, I would have to say yes. I have had to many things happen in my life that cannot be logically explained away to not doubt the power of prayer and GOD. I just cant believe that I'm just that lucky.
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+1 for you tooOriginally Posted by puregroove
gotta love these threads...
I will add this: whether or not someone believes there is or isn't a God, that will always be a personal experience. Someone can tell you about God 'til they're blue in the face, but nothing will change until you've experienced God for yourself. And let me tell you this: I freakin' hate when someone's beliefs are forced on you--be it whatever.
It is a personal choice to even go and seek out whether or not there is or isn't a God. Arguements (sp) are worthless. You will find out for yourself, if you choose--trust me.
Carry on.
Don't get bent all out of shape when someone doesn't believe what you believe in and when they question your beliefs. Like he just said, it's all personal...
FUCK GRAN TURISMO EAST!! NEVER TAKE YOUR CAR THERE, ESPECIALLY NOT FOR AN ALIGNMENT!! TERRIBLE BUSINESS!!
^^+1 for you, too:::
is God real? sure why not. in any and every race, religion, nationality, species what ever have you there is a "God" if were talkin bout God as in Jesus Christ ill have to agree with Puregroove its all in personal beliefs. i personally believe yes there is a God, now do i truly understand all the shit people say, "god works in mysterious ways, god knows all and controls all, you know what i mean" well lets just say that certain things that have happened to me my family and my friends have me second guessing my beliefs and everything that ive been taught or told my entire life. Scientifically i dont think its impossible but then again maybe it is possible. we'll all find out one day i guess.
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EXACTLY
its like how people pray to a greater being when they want to do good on a test, or they want to do well with their lottery ticket or something. you shouldn't have to pray only to receieve but to want an honest relationship with God. if you are encouraged to do so because you are afraid of hell, pressured by friends or society then it is not for you.
hulud you are being ignorant throughout this whole thing. Being unselfish enough to admit that there is a chance there is something greater out there then you is not to be considered "stupid". It is an admirable trait that determines a lot in the character of someone.
If you think that society's sole purpose is to advance economically and technologically to fit your physical needs and that of your children's better, then you are a very shallow person.
this has nothing to do with the fact of believing in any religion or anything of any matter that has to do with an organization. what i'm referring to is the fact that there is a good chance that there is a being or scheme greater then you that you can not fathom.
and to me to not appreciate that and call others for having faith stupid and ignorant is a slap in the face. you can complain all you want about beliefs being forced on you but i am asking for nothing but you to not look down upon others for believing in something that helps give them strength; its wrong and hypocritical
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first off kid, dont put fucking words in my mouth, please SHOW me where i posted in this thread that someone is STUPID for believing in a god, you wont find it
also do you not know how to read? please go back and read my first post
so how are you going to call me ignorant?
is this still in reference to me? because if so, you will NEVER see me post anything REVOLVES around me, but yea ok kidIf you think that society's sole purpose is to advance economically and technologically to fit your physical needs and that of your children's better, then you are a very shallow person.
and thats your opinionthis has nothing to do with the fact of believing in any religion or anything of any matter that has to do with an organization. what i'm referring to is the fact that there is a good chance that there is a being or scheme greater then you that you can not fathom.
once again where did i say that?and to me to not appreciate that and call others for having faith stupid and ignorant is a slap in the face.
o yea thats right, i didnt
i called someone ignorant, but not stupid
first off i dont care what you ask of me, i owe you nothingyou can complain all you want about beliefs being forced on you but i am asking for nothing but you to not look down upon others for believing in something that helps give them strength; its wrong and hypocritical
so if you really want to call me out on this, go ahead
but where do i look down on someone based on their faith? i dont, i look down on their faith, not them as humans.
but since you know me and all i guess you're right and im wrong
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and if you want to talk about hypocritical go look in a mirror
you say in your last post about calling people stupid, yet between me and you, you're the onlyone calling someone stupid in this thread
here ill post a link for ya http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/...4&postcount=51
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^ called someone the fuck out.
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gtikid, here is some basic information for you to consume.
A language must contain the following elements: an alphabet or coding system, correct spelling, grammar (arrangement), semantics and an intent. DNA genetic code has all of these key elements. The only types of communication considered high-level languages are human languages, artificial languages such as computer codes, and the DNA genetic code. No other communication system has been found to contain the basic characteristics of a language. DNA is more complex than any computer code. Imagine something more intricate than the most complex program running on a supercomputer being devised by accident through evolution. No matter how much time, how many mutations and how much natural selection are taken into account, it cannot happen. You believe that the DNA genetic code gradually evolved? That would break all the known rules of how matter, energy, and the laws of nature work. To this date, not one example has been found in nature of an information system inside the cell gradually evolving into another functional information program. So, how did it come into being, if not from an intelligent source? Our scientists can't even construct a single piece of hair using DNA, so it needs to be a more intelligent source than us. Now give me some scientific proof or at least some rational thought that evolution can explain the DNA genetic code.
Next interesting point of universal design - please discuss if you have some scientifically based input.
The Ratio of the Number of Electrons to Protons
This ratio must be exactly equal to one to one to better than one part in 10_37 (10 to the 37th power - the number 1 followed by 37 zeros); otherwise electromagnetic forces would have been stronger than gravitational forces and thus no galaxies, stars, or planets would have ever formed.
Is it possible that the universe and the physical laws could exist by evolution - YES. Is it probable - NO. The odds? 1 in 10_10000(10 to the 10000th power - much more unlikely than simple protons/electrons). Better odds would be that your car's engine would freeze solid instead of warm up - every single time you started it. Do you think that maybe there might be some sort of intelligence behind the universe's design, rather than random chance?
Of course, this does not mean that it is Christian or Muslim god that created the world - just that the odds are heavily against it being random chance.
hahaand if you want to talk about hypocritical go look in a mirror
you say in your last post about calling people stupid, yet between me and you, you're the onlyone calling someone stupid in this thread
here ill post a link for ya http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/...4&postcount=51
bc he tried to make the other dude look like a jackass with something that made no sense
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first off kid, dont put fucking words in my mouth, please SHOW me where i posted in this thread that someone is STUPID for believing in a god, you wont find it
also do you not know how to read? please go back and read my first post
so how are you going to call me ignorant?
is this still in reference to me? because if so, you will NEVER see me post anything REVOLVES around me, but yea ok kid
and thats your opinion
once again where did i say that?
o yea thats right, i didnt
i called someone ignorant, but not stupid
first off i dont care what you ask of me, i owe you nothing
so if you really want to call me out on this, go ahead
but where do i look down on someone based on their faith? i dont, i look down on their faith, not them as humans.
but since you know me and all i guess you're right and im wrong
and there is the whole reason you don't get this.
to most people they are one in the same...
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Do I believe there is a god? Yes....
Do I believe he’s the same god u believe in? Could be or maybe not.
Id like to think that we as humans were created by something bigger than us rather than to think that I came from a monkey or some kind of lower life form.
ok i think everyone knows were i stand on this, i think i made good points, and answerd accordingly, but for the non believers i mean you act like science has never been wrong, you act like if a scientist said it and tested it, hes right cause hes a scientist, well science has been wrong on many many many occasions, when has the bible been wrong, i know scientist r not done ripping it apart yet, but so far it hasnt been wrong , science has.
so even if u dont believe in a greater being, like god, and only believe what you hear from scientist, then keep in mind that scientist have been wrong.
and who knows maybe The big bang theory was part of gods plan on creating the earth we dont know, ive ehard people say that the bibles time line and mans timline are differnt, well there isnt an exact date written in the bible, they say that mans known timeline goes back farther than the bible, well show me in the bible that date.
God gave HalfBaked HIV...
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its all part of life and his plan,
HIV is something someone acquires through their human exploits. There is a cause and effect for it. No higher presence required.
I dont understand how ppl do it. I dont believe till I see it. so when I see a nigga spread the sea apart.. I'l start believing.. when I see a guy make a blind person see (w/ out any of todays technology) I'll start believing. its crazy to live ur whole life off something in a book, yet u've never seen ANY proof of it.
I have tho read in science books in school about other plants and animals evolving.. so I tend to believe we evolved. from what? idk.. when its the more likely of the 2 if u ask me.
i think we can all agree on that :p lol
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Personally, I believe that there is A God. Some higher being out there. Do I believe that Jesus existed? Yes, although I think that there was more to his life than him being a single only child. I belive he had siblings, was married and had kids of his own. I also believe though that a lot of what is said in the bible about, for example, the exodus, can be and has been proven that it happened and why it happened through science. Now that being said, I think that back in biblical times they did need and answer for all of these things going on and so a God is where they turned. Were they wrong? I dont think so cause even though we can prove that it happened and how it happened through science I still believe that God gave us the power of free will so we can make up our own minds and live with that. Do I beleive that you are wrong for what you believe? No, that is your belief. I am not going to force my views on you, please dont force yours on me. I am open minded and that his how I look at religon. Maybe I didnt choose the right one, but if I have a spirtual belief then I am happy until I die and found out the truth. Just as a side note, I also believe in ghosts, spirits, and aliens.
wrong buddy, i have plenty of friends who are christian and they know my feelings on organized religion, yet they have no problem with it
its only touchy people that care too much about what others think, like yourself
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i'm glad your friends do.wrong buddy, i have plenty of friends who are christian and they know my feelings on organized religion, yet they have no problem with it
its only touchy people that care too much about what others think, like yourself
but a large majority of the people in the world are still backwards you could say in the fact that they still believe in a magical man in the sky made them.
how ignorant of them
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I'll take No for 500 please.
lol i like the name for the color of your car R3RUN
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so you think people are backwards for believing in god?
its just as ignorant as people saying that there is no god with 100% certaintyhow ignorant of them
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Trebek: People believe in him from a book
R3RUN: What is God
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just now stepping into this thread.. not gonna read up.. but i believe there is a GOD the one being the father of Jesus....
it takes faith to believe and if u need proof then there's no point in believing...
even if u don't believe in my God, i don't see how anyone can act like there isnt something out there... this world is in way too much order for there not to be something....
i'll prolly not return to this thread.. just wanted to throw my 2cents in...
So now, after 6 pages, I am the only one that puts out any tangible evidence in favor of the existence of a god/higher intelligence. No one has offered any refuting evidence to what I have posted, nor has introduced any evidence in opposition to the existence of a god/higher intelligence. So enough with facts until someone has something to add scientifically. I have plenty more design facts waiting if someone does.
So I will add some logic, rather than science. Here is the ultimate logic for the existence of God. In everything, you need balance. God/Devil, Good/Evil, Heaven/Hell, Yin/Yang. I did not write this, it came off another board, but I instantly liked it. Hulud, this is all you....
"The following is an ‘actual’ question given on a University of Liverpool chemistry final exam.
The answer by one student was so “profound” that the professor shared it with colleagues via the Internet.
Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?
Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle’s law that gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed or some variant.
One student, however, wrote the following:
First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.
As for how many souls are entering Hell, let’s look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state that, if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell. Because Boyle’s Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay constant, the volume of Hell must expand proportionately as souls are added. This gives two possibilities:
1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.
2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.
So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Sandra during my freshman year, that “it will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you,” and take into account the fact that I slept with her last night, then number 2 must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is endothermic and has already frozen over. The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is extinct ... leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being - which explains why, last night, Sandra kept shouting “Oh my God.”
THIS STUDENT RECEIVED THE ONLY “A”."
So now, after 6 pages, I am the only one that puts out any tangible evidence in favor of the existence of a god/higher intelligence. No one has offered any refuting evidence to what I have posted, nor has introduced any evidence in opposition to the existence of a god/higher intelligence. So enough with facts until someone has something to add scientifically. I have plenty more design facts waiting if someone does.
So I will add some logic, rather than science. Here is the ultimate logic for the existence of God. In everything, you need balance. God/Devil, Good/Evil, Heaven/Hell, Yin/Yang. I did not write this, it came off another board, but I instantly liked it. Hulud, this is all you....
"The following is an ‘actual’ question given on a University of Liverpool chemistry final exam.
The answer by one student was so “profound” that the professor shared it with colleagues via the Internet.
Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?
Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle’s law that gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed or some variant.
One student, however, wrote the following:
First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.
As for how many souls are entering Hell, let’s look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state that, if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell. Because Boyle’s Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay constant, the volume of Hell must expand proportionately as souls are added. This gives two possibilities:
1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.
2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.
So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Sandra during my freshman year, that “it will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you,” and take into account the fact that I slept with her last night, then number 2 must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is endothermic and has already frozen over. The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is extinct ... leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being - which explains why, last night, Sandra kept shouting “Oh my God.”
THIS STUDENT RECEIVED THE ONLY “A”."
Um obiously you didnt read the thread or anything wrote, b/c your still going on, reread what i wrote then come back.
well it seems you failed to pick up on the sarcasm of that entire post i made...so you think people are backwards for believing in god?
its just as ignorant as people saying that there is no god with 100% certainty
sometimes you need to have 100% faith in something or else you won't be able to securely make decisions in life and will always be second guessing yourself. Everything in my life is a toss up and constantly changing, god is the one thing you can rely on.
i guess what i'm saying is, real or not... hes something i want to be there
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I used to a big church-going individual, but after some specific events in my life I chose to stop and now I find myself always saying the same thing... show me proof, not what is writting in a book.
Your ramblings have had no scientific merit in them - only poor grammer. You have presented nothing in this thread that has any scientific basis. All you keep saying is don't compare fact and faith. We are not. You either already have faith or you don't. What this thread is for is for discusion of facts that are measurable - not faith. I have presented scientific facts that are in favor of the existence of a higher intelligence having designed the universe. You have not offered any similar types of information. Go back and read what you have written, see if you can comprehend your own writing.
sarcasm is overrated, this isnt the WL
once again thats YOUR opinion, not factsometimes you need to have 100% faith in something or else you won't be able to securely make decisions in life and will always be second guessing yourself.
ok, but thats not the point of this threadi guess what i'm saying is, real or not... hes something i want to be there
***side note***
funny thing is about God is that if someone didnt tell you (you in the general sense) there was a God would you really believe theres a god? cause how would you find out about it?
just some food for thought
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probably the exact same way the people who created him did...
god isn't a new thing that people are hopping on the bandwagon for simply because their parents have been telling them he is real like santa clause or the easter bunny.
god has been an explenation for how thing's work for thousands of generations back. it is human nature to look to something bigger then yourself especially as a child for support or consul. So if you were put here knowing nothing and no one, you would make your own god to explain why things work that you do not know about.
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there is no scientific evidence of a higher power. Science tends to disagree with your beliefs, and it also shows how the probability of a god is far lower than most people think. I'm far from a scientist, but trying to back up the existence of a god with science is kind of contradicting.
david explained this before
what he is saying is that previous laws of science are contradicting new ones that are trying to disprove that there is a God intervening in our daily lives and the creation of things.
ex ) the big bang theory post he used the law for the conservation of matter to say that matter can neither be created nor destroyed so it doesn't make sense according to science that it could happen, leaving room for there to be a god.
basically science is kicking itself in the ass while trying to disprove god with previous laws... we just have to wait and see if they are to be modified
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right on
the fuck does that have to do with anything?
nah, its some people just wanting a meaning in lifegod has been an explenation for how thing's work for thousands of generations back. it is human nature to look to something bigger then yourself especially as a child for support or consul. So if you were put here knowing nothing and no one, you would make your own god to explain why things work that you do not know about.
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the fuck does that have to do with anything?
nah, its some people just wanting a meaning in life
the fact that it isn't society telling you how to do it that makes you believe in a god in all cases.
how do you think cavemen thousands of years ago and societies during the bronze age and such have gods, they made them up ofcourse, thats what it has to do with things.
and whats wrong with wanting a meaning in life?
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once again... lame ass thread.. and all this cause of my thread
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