Do I believe there is a god? Yes....
Do I believe he’s the same god u believe in? Could be or maybe not.
Id like to think that we as humans were created by something bigger than us rather than to think that I came from a monkey or some kind of lower life form.
ok i think everyone knows were i stand on this, i think i made good points, and answerd accordingly, but for the non believers i mean you act like science has never been wrong, you act like if a scientist said it and tested it, hes right cause hes a scientist, well science has been wrong on many many many occasions, when has the bible been wrong, i know scientist r not done ripping it apart yet, but so far it hasnt been wrong , science has.
so even if u dont believe in a greater being, like god, and only believe what you hear from scientist, then keep in mind that scientist have been wrong.
and who knows maybe The big bang theory was part of gods plan on creating the earth we dont know, ive ehard people say that the bibles time line and mans timline are differnt, well there isnt an exact date written in the bible, they say that mans known timeline goes back farther than the bible, well show me in the bible that date.
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its all part of life and his plan,
I dont understand how ppl do it. I dont believe till I see it. so when I see a nigga spread the sea apart.. I'l start believing.. when I see a guy make a blind person see (w/ out any of todays technology) I'll start believing. its crazy to live ur whole life off something in a book, yet u've never seen ANY proof of it.
I have tho read in science books in school about other plants and animals evolving.. so I tend to believe we evolved. from what? idk.. when its the more likely of the 2 if u ask me.
Personally, I believe that there is A God. Some higher being out there. Do I believe that Jesus existed? Yes, although I think that there was more to his life than him being a single only child. I belive he had siblings, was married and had kids of his own. I also believe though that a lot of what is said in the bible about, for example, the exodus, can be and has been proven that it happened and why it happened through science. Now that being said, I think that back in biblical times they did need and answer for all of these things going on and so a God is where they turned. Were they wrong? I dont think so cause even though we can prove that it happened and how it happened through science I still believe that God gave us the power of free will so we can make up our own minds and live with that. Do I beleive that you are wrong for what you believe? No, that is your belief. I am not going to force my views on you, please dont force yours on me. I am open minded and that his how I look at religon. Maybe I didnt choose the right one, but if I have a spirtual belief then I am happy until I die and found out the truth. Just as a side note, I also believe in ghosts, spirits, and aliens.
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just now stepping into this thread.. not gonna read up.. but i believe there is a GOD the one being the father of Jesus....
it takes faith to believe and if u need proof then there's no point in believing...
even if u don't believe in my God, i don't see how anyone can act like there isnt something out there... this world is in way too much order for there not to be something....
i'll prolly not return to this thread.. just wanted to throw my 2cents in...
So now, after 6 pages, I am the only one that puts out any tangible evidence in favor of the existence of a god/higher intelligence. No one has offered any refuting evidence to what I have posted, nor has introduced any evidence in opposition to the existence of a god/higher intelligence. So enough with facts until someone has something to add scientifically. I have plenty more design facts waiting if someone does.
So I will add some logic, rather than science. Here is the ultimate logic for the existence of God. In everything, you need balance. God/Devil, Good/Evil, Heaven/Hell, Yin/Yang. I did not write this, it came off another board, but I instantly liked it. Hulud, this is all you....
"The following is an ‘actual’ question given on a University of Liverpool chemistry final exam.
The answer by one student was so “profound” that the professor shared it with colleagues via the Internet.
Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?
Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle’s law that gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed or some variant.
One student, however, wrote the following:
First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.
As for how many souls are entering Hell, let’s look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state that, if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell. Because Boyle’s Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay constant, the volume of Hell must expand proportionately as souls are added. This gives two possibilities:
1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.
2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.
So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Sandra during my freshman year, that “it will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you,” and take into account the fact that I slept with her last night, then number 2 must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is endothermic and has already frozen over. The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is extinct ... leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being - which explains why, last night, Sandra kept shouting “Oh my God.”
THIS STUDENT RECEIVED THE ONLY “A”."
So now, after 6 pages, I am the only one that puts out any tangible evidence in favor of the existence of a god/higher intelligence. No one has offered any refuting evidence to what I have posted, nor has introduced any evidence in opposition to the existence of a god/higher intelligence. So enough with facts until someone has something to add scientifically. I have plenty more design facts waiting if someone does.
So I will add some logic, rather than science. Here is the ultimate logic for the existence of God. In everything, you need balance. God/Devil, Good/Evil, Heaven/Hell, Yin/Yang. I did not write this, it came off another board, but I instantly liked it. Hulud, this is all you....
"The following is an ‘actual’ question given on a University of Liverpool chemistry final exam.
The answer by one student was so “profound” that the professor shared it with colleagues via the Internet.
Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?
Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle’s law that gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed or some variant.
One student, however, wrote the following:
First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.
As for how many souls are entering Hell, let’s look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state that, if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell. Because Boyle’s Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay constant, the volume of Hell must expand proportionately as souls are added. This gives two possibilities:
1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.
2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.
So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Sandra during my freshman year, that “it will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you,” and take into account the fact that I slept with her last night, then number 2 must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is endothermic and has already frozen over. The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is extinct ... leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being - which explains why, last night, Sandra kept shouting “Oh my God.”
THIS STUDENT RECEIVED THE ONLY “A”."
Um obiously you didnt read the thread or anything wrote, b/c your still going on, reread what i wrote then come back.
Your ramblings have had no scientific merit in them - only poor grammer. You have presented nothing in this thread that has any scientific basis. All you keep saying is don't compare fact and faith. We are not. You either already have faith or you don't. What this thread is for is for discusion of facts that are measurable - not faith. I have presented scientific facts that are in favor of the existence of a higher intelligence having designed the universe. You have not offered any similar types of information. Go back and read what you have written, see if you can comprehend your own writing.
there is no scientific evidence of a higher power. Science tends to disagree with your beliefs, and it also shows how the probability of a god is far lower than most people think. I'm far from a scientist, but trying to back up the existence of a god with science is kind of contradicting.
I used to a big church-going individual, but after some specific events in my life I chose to stop and now I find myself always saying the same thing... show me proof, not what is writting in a book.
I have no scientific data to support the how and why of it all, however we do have a reasonably accurate account of what has transpired since the begining of recorded history.
Unfortunately, this recorded history and the Bible are all we as inferrior humans have to go by. Unless of course you choose to bring the human "intelligence" factor into it, further muddying or distorting the reality of these events.
The "proof" as you put it "could" be the things that are happening(and have happened)on this planet on a daily bassis for thousands of years, if one were to be open minded enough to see the writing on the wall.
Based on real time events around the world, is it not quite coincidental that the Bible(if you know how to decipher the writing)fairly accurately depicts these very same events, and their eventual outcome?
Some of these current events include but are not limited to the wars fought between the religious factions in the middle East. Time will tell the tale. The Bible also speaks of certain countries(the USA included, though not called the "USA").... how these civilizations/cultures were born and how they will meet their extinction. I'm afraid that based on current recorded blueprint we have, that there may just be something to this.
I'm not a Bible thumpin', repent or burn preaching individual, but will concede that there are striking similarities between the written word and actual recorded, as well as on going current events.
Are the written words of man just a tool designed by man to keep the masses in check, or were they in fact a story, and prophecy told to man by an all knowing being?
Are you as a human being just here for the "ride" and then it's over, or does your existence have another purpose? I like to think there is some method to the madness, otherwise what's it all for?
There has to be something more to this than just survival of the fittest.
Like the Salmon, the fittest lives to procreate another season, but what's the purpose?
I submit to you that the purpose is for your soul or spirit to eventually find it's place in the eternal light aka "heaven". As the long time battle between the energies God(good), and evil(Lucifer) proceeds, the wages or stakes are high.
The battle being fought is for your soul's eternal resting place. Your free will determines where that final place is-
What it all comes down to is, do you or do you not believe that there is something more than this. The problem always seems to be that we don't know what we don't know, and that until the end that will be the case.
Enter faith. For the purposes of this discussion, Faith is nothing more than you're acceptance that indeed there is something more.
Side note.
The first time you built a motor, or whatever it was that you did the very first time, you had no "proof" you could achieve your goal, BUT.... you had "faith" that it could be done.
How'd it turn out?
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this would be the only one
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.........indeedhows this once again?
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yousef? LOL
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yup haha
u started a domino effect
btw didn't you have like over a 1,000 post count, and now ur like 50 with 5 bars of rep? wut happened?
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God must exist...
Everytime I'm fucking Maniac's mom she is screaming "oh god oh god."
So she must know him.
do i believe in God? yes.
do i believe in Jesus as humans? yes.
do i believe in Jesus as deity? yes.
do i believe in evolution? yes.
do i believe that the 3 western religions are practically the same? yes.
do i believe the Bible word for word? no.
do i believe it is a pretty decent metaphor for what is and isn't important? yes.
do i believe in intelligent design? yes. (and the answer to the original question)
i think there is enough evidence to believe in a higher being over spontaneous generation. there are plenty of things that are widely accepted now that COULD be incorrect. you can't prove 'time' or 'gravity' or any other major scientific theory. scientific law exists because it hasn't been proven wrong, and that is how i see this debate. odds are there is a God. our existance is enough evidence for me to give the edge to God existing.
and yes, most religious people are hypocrits.
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