I fully expect you to spring some forward that there is not a god. You generally do, so I will play devil's advocate - unless you want to prove that god exists - and then I prove he doesn't.Originally Posted by Hulud
I fully expect you to spring some forward that there is not a god. You generally do, so I will play devil's advocate - unless you want to prove that god exists - and then I prove he doesn't.
but i dont set up threads with SOMEONE elses information at hand to postI fully expect you to spring some forward that there is not a god. You generally do, so I will play devil's advocate - unless you want to prove that god exists - and then I prove he doesn't.
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Nope, didn't have it before I posted. Knew what I was going to post though. I have been on both sides of the argument numerous times and have tons of data to access.but i dont set up threads with SOMEONE elses information at hand to post
So, care to switch sides? You provide content for the existence of a god, and I disprove the existence? Could get interesting...
Last edited by David88vert; 02-22-2007 at 07:34 AM.
The thing that gets me is, if you believe in some type of god or God, have you really lost anything here in this life. Even if this is it and there is nothing else then in the grand scheme of things oh well you believed something that wasnt true and now your just as dead as the guy who didnt believe. But, if there is something else and you did have to have faith to get that something else then the guy who didnt believe is screwed. The way I see is if someone wants to believe their life will be no worse for believing so its like a win/win situation cause if your wrong your no worse off than the other guy.
you cant just believe in something that doesnt exist to you
Val for President
That is a very true statement.
you cant just believe in something that doesnt exist to you
nick on my sn bitch
Last edited by Dominic49; 02-22-2007 at 10:36 PM.
listen is god real or not. all we can do is go back and forth on what we believe, yes there is, no there isnt, i mean we can go at this for years, man already has. why go through this again and again, this just heats up stupid discussions. i believe this you believe this, you think your right , i think im right. so go ahead and believe what you want, block out the things you dont wanna hear just because you cant handle it, just b/c you wanna do what you want and u think no one can be better than you, gto ahead believe what yyou will, but one day once you grow up out this selfish state your in, youll realize whats what and then come talk to me.
but like i said this can go on forever so everyone miight as well say what they gotta say then part ways. and have fun talking about cars like what were here to do.
you are a joke, having this elitist ideal of beliving in your god
yet many others see you as feeble and needing a crutch
so yea someones selfish for not believing in your god
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your not selfish for not believing in my god your selfish for believe that there isnt anything greater than you , you dont want to believe that there is something out there more powerful than you, pay attention to what i say dont just read with a closed mind ok i didnt say since you dont believe in god your selfish ,
maybe if you used correct punctuation it would help to prevent errors
writing as a run-on sentance is overrated
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sorry i meant something that is bigger than you and is something you cant control, something that you cant even come close to fathom
might have helped if you said that too, rather than 'better'
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But everyone in the world wabts facts facts and more facts , they want proof, they wanna see with their own eyes , they wanna see a blind man have his sight come back again with just snap of a finger or prayer they wanna see waters part at a mans request, when Christianity and god isnt something you believe in because of the facts, Christianity and God is something you believe in b/c of faith, and you cant compare faith vs. fact, no some believers may not agree b/c it sounds like im saying there isnt anything that proves of gods existense. no im saying that if you just change your life and beliefs just b/c you saw proof on the news or read it in a book , then your wrong. its all about faith, feeling it in your heart and until you feel it in your heart then you dont know and never will. soemone else cant tell you that something you felt isnt real, noo one on here can tell me that i havent feet god in my heart. and you know what thats all i need, so if your waiting for man to discover the truth with factual evidence that god is real then it will be too late. so please dont compare faith / fact.
so you need no proof to believe in something?
Val for President
EXACTLY
its like how people pray to a greater being when they want to do good on a test, or they want to do well with their lottery ticket or something. you shouldn't have to pray only to receieve but to want an honest relationship with God. if you are encouraged to do so because you are afraid of hell, pressured by friends or society then it is not for you.
hulud you are being ignorant throughout this whole thing. Being unselfish enough to admit that there is a chance there is something greater out there then you is not to be considered "stupid". It is an admirable trait that determines a lot in the character of someone.
If you think that society's sole purpose is to advance economically and technologically to fit your physical needs and that of your children's better, then you are a very shallow person.
this has nothing to do with the fact of believing in any religion or anything of any matter that has to do with an organization. what i'm referring to is the fact that there is a good chance that there is a being or scheme greater then you that you can not fathom.
and to me to not appreciate that and call others for having faith stupid and ignorant is a slap in the face. you can complain all you want about beliefs being forced on you but i am asking for nothing but you to not look down upon others for believing in something that helps give them strength; its wrong and hypocritical
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first off kid, dont put fucking words in my mouth, please SHOW me where i posted in this thread that someone is STUPID for believing in a god, you wont find it
also do you not know how to read? please go back and read my first post
so how are you going to call me ignorant?
is this still in reference to me? because if so, you will NEVER see me post anything REVOLVES around me, but yea ok kidIf you think that society's sole purpose is to advance economically and technologically to fit your physical needs and that of your children's better, then you are a very shallow person.
and thats your opinionthis has nothing to do with the fact of believing in any religion or anything of any matter that has to do with an organization. what i'm referring to is the fact that there is a good chance that there is a being or scheme greater then you that you can not fathom.
once again where did i say that?and to me to not appreciate that and call others for having faith stupid and ignorant is a slap in the face.
o yea thats right, i didnt
i called someone ignorant, but not stupid
first off i dont care what you ask of me, i owe you nothingyou can complain all you want about beliefs being forced on you but i am asking for nothing but you to not look down upon others for believing in something that helps give them strength; its wrong and hypocritical
so if you really want to call me out on this, go ahead
but where do i look down on someone based on their faith? i dont, i look down on their faith, not them as humans.
but since you know me and all i guess you're right and im wrong
Last edited by Hulud; 02-22-2007 at 09:52 PM.
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first off kid, dont put fucking words in my mouth, please SHOW me where i posted in this thread that someone is STUPID for believing in a god, you wont find it
also do you not know how to read? please go back and read my first post
so how are you going to call me ignorant?
is this still in reference to me? because if so, you will NEVER see me post anything REVOLVES around me, but yea ok kid
and thats your opinion
once again where did i say that?
o yea thats right, i didnt
i called someone ignorant, but not stupid
first off i dont care what you ask of me, i owe you nothing
so if you really want to call me out on this, go ahead
but where do i look down on someone based on their faith? i dont, i look down on their faith, not them as humans.
but since you know me and all i guess you're right and im wrong
and there is the whole reason you don't get this.
to most people they are one in the same...
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wrong buddy, i have plenty of friends who are christian and they know my feelings on organized religion, yet they have no problem with it
its only touchy people that care too much about what others think, like yourself
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i know my writing sucks after using text messaging on my phone it has killed my writing, im too used to running on & on an using "u" instead of "you" so bare with me im trying to stop.
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no ive got my proof i told you already, but i dont expect you to listen. what im saying is if most people, are not believing in god b/c its not wrote out page for page that god is real, and if ur waiting to see it on the news that they have facts that god is real, then your not doing it for the right reasons anyways, the only fact youll get is by living the life, and if you all would truly live the path then you would have all the fact you need, and actually it wil be stronger than a fact , so once you do that and you still dont have your proof, then write what you want about this. but all i know is how i feel and what i know gods has done in my life. and plus im walking proof of god. and trust me, my life hasnt been easy. at one time i thought god was a bully on a ant hill, i have a seriouse medical condition on my leg that ive had for five years, i went to Mayo clinic in rodchester minnesotta, which is the one of the top best medical facility in the world, and they couldnt heal me, they pretty much said i was gonna lose my legs, but i finally begin coming around to god, and believing that he was my only chance ive had hundreds of doctors try to heal me, and nothing, not until i began believing in god , and feeling his life in mine, then my leg bgan healing, im not lying for those that know me they understand and theyve seen. but i dont expect u to read this and become saved , all im saying is dont compare fact and faith.
Seems like you just ended up going to a smarter doctor
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i haven't read the entire thread but is the question god or GOD (as in christian GOD)? does the christian idea of god exsist No.
i havent read the whole thread but i believe in God and Jesus, and he has blessed me in so many ways
Yes
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I know I believe there's something greater than this. It's all in how you base your logics and how you see life. Several people in my family are Jewish, I just can't bring myself to follow religion as much as they do. I believe and I live my life.
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So we know that there are a lot of people who are ripping David88vert for supplying some scientific hypothesi(plural of hypothesis??) for the existence of intelligent design. How about, Hulud, you provide a hypothesis for the existence of random creation or design.
If your looking for this, go read the big bang theory thread
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for me, I would have to say yes. I have had to many things happen in my life that cannot be logically explained away to not doubt the power of prayer and GOD. I just cant believe that I'm just that lucky.
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is God real? sure why not. in any and every race, religion, nationality, species what ever have you there is a "God" if were talkin bout God as in Jesus Christ ill have to agree with Puregroove its all in personal beliefs. i personally believe yes there is a God, now do i truly understand all the shit people say, "god works in mysterious ways, god knows all and controls all, you know what i mean" well lets just say that certain things that have happened to me my family and my friends have me second guessing my beliefs and everything that ive been taught or told my entire life. Scientifically i dont think its impossible but then again maybe it is possible. we'll all find out one day i guess.
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and if you want to talk about hypocritical go look in a mirror
you say in your last post about calling people stupid, yet between me and you, you're the onlyone calling someone stupid in this thread
here ill post a link for ya http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/...4&postcount=51
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hahaand if you want to talk about hypocritical go look in a mirror
you say in your last post about calling people stupid, yet between me and you, you're the onlyone calling someone stupid in this thread
here ill post a link for ya http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/...4&postcount=51
bc he tried to make the other dude look like a jackass with something that made no sense
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^ called someone the fuck out.
white power!!!!!!
gtikid, here is some basic information for you to consume.
A language must contain the following elements: an alphabet or coding system, correct spelling, grammar (arrangement), semantics and an intent. DNA genetic code has all of these key elements. The only types of communication considered high-level languages are human languages, artificial languages such as computer codes, and the DNA genetic code. No other communication system has been found to contain the basic characteristics of a language. DNA is more complex than any computer code. Imagine something more intricate than the most complex program running on a supercomputer being devised by accident through evolution. No matter how much time, how many mutations and how much natural selection are taken into account, it cannot happen. You believe that the DNA genetic code gradually evolved? That would break all the known rules of how matter, energy, and the laws of nature work. To this date, not one example has been found in nature of an information system inside the cell gradually evolving into another functional information program. So, how did it come into being, if not from an intelligent source? Our scientists can't even construct a single piece of hair using DNA, so it needs to be a more intelligent source than us. Now give me some scientific proof or at least some rational thought that evolution can explain the DNA genetic code.
Next interesting point of universal design - please discuss if you have some scientifically based input.
The Ratio of the Number of Electrons to Protons
This ratio must be exactly equal to one to one to better than one part in 10_37 (10 to the 37th power - the number 1 followed by 37 zeros); otherwise electromagnetic forces would have been stronger than gravitational forces and thus no galaxies, stars, or planets would have ever formed.
Is it possible that the universe and the physical laws could exist by evolution - YES. Is it probable - NO. The odds? 1 in 10_10000(10 to the 10000th power - much more unlikely than simple protons/electrons). Better odds would be that your car's engine would freeze solid instead of warm up - every single time you started it. Do you think that maybe there might be some sort of intelligence behind the universe's design, rather than random chance?
Of course, this does not mean that it is Christian or Muslim god that created the world - just that the odds are heavily against it being random chance.
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