DoD to release 9/11 video showing the Pentagon being hit

[Sport1.3]

1pm EST

link:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/5772.shtml

[The Golden Child]

hmmm the truth will still be unknown ..

[aaronfelipe]

hmmm the truth will still be unknown ..

Yeah, it pisses me off

[Sport1.3]

ya im sure the tapes will be "alittle doctored"

[The Golden Child]

and you wont be able to see shit ..

[Sport1.3]

we'll see

[Brett]

The pentagon was never hit by a plane, No evidence has EVER supported that theory, I think honestly we hit it with a missle.

[Ruiner]

The pentagon was never hit by a plane, No evidence has EVER supported that theory, I think honestly we hit it with a missle.

You are joking, right? Here's some damn evidence...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/..._evidence.html

[Sport1.3]

DUh! thats why this is going to be something to see....judicial Watch is having problems getting the tape....news stations are waiting till 2pm...this is BS. there is something so fucked up ab this situation. there site is all kinds of messed up. i dont believe half the shit we are told...conspiracy FTL!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=W-56LkY89...moon%20landing
^one of the ones that gets me all the time lol

[HyPer50]

*sigh*.....

[Vteckidd]

I still believe the pentagon was hit by a plane. i have seen no evidence , regardless , that we hit it with a missle.

[Xan]

I still believe the pentagon was hit by a plane. i have seen no evidence , regardless , that we hit it with a missle.

+1. Maybe not the plane they say it was, but a plane none the less.

[Sport1.3]

well there really is no proof either way...the previous tapes showing impact definitly showed an object SMALLER than a plane hit the wall, but it was too fast to really tell. also the hole in the pentagon wall was way too small to be a 747.



shit links dont work.^^

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/..._evidence.html

[Ruiner]

well there really is no proof either way...the previous tapes showing impact definitly showed an object SMALLER than a plane hit the wall, but it was too fast to really tell. also the hole in the pentagon wall was way too small to be a 747.

Looks to be a 12-15ft hole to me....

A 757, not a 747...

The 757-200 dimensions:
Tail Height: 44 ft 6 in (13.6m)
Length: 155 ft 3 in (47.32m)
Wingspan: 124 ft 10 in (38.05m)
Body Exterior Width: 12 ft 4 in (3.7m)

[Sport1.3]

Looks to be a 12-15ft hole to me....

A 757, not a 747...

The 757-200 dimensions:
Tail Height: 44 ft 6 in (13.6m)
Length: 155 ft 3 in (47.32m)
Wingspan: 124 ft 10 in (38.05m)

you pretty much showed me right there it wasnt that type of plane.the tail and wings dont disappear on impact, or come off not leaving even a scratch on the brick wall. i can mark a brick wall with a bat and it couldnt traveling that fast? where were all the seats and the wings/tail? where was the black box??which was never found or submitted. where are the burn marks on the grass due to exterior impact on the outer walls of the pentagon, where were all the dead bodies supposedly on board, why was it that, that part of the building just happened to be under constructions and having minimal amount of casualities, how could the plane of flown so low to hit that low and not hit cars or light poles etc.......

[Ruiner]

how could the plane of flown so low to hit that low and not hit cars or light poles etc.......

Cars, light poles at your request:

The hit lightpoles, and damaged vehicles in the flightpath (click for larger images)

[Brett]

you pretty much showed me right there it wasnt that type of plane.the tail and wings dont disappear on impact, or come off not leaving even a scratch on the brick wall. i can mark a brick wall with a bat and it couldnt traveling that fast? where were all the seats and the wings/tail? where was the black box??which was never found or submitted. where are the burn marks on the grass due to exterior impact on the outer walls of the pentagon, where were all the dead bodies supposedly on board, why was it that, that part of the building just happened to be under constructions and having minimal amount of casualities, how could the plane of flown so low to hit that low and not hit cars or light poles etc.......

That is one of my MANY questions, that and why a line 2 days earlier like I said was painted on the grass that was the exact path the plane or whatever it was took. I hear interviews from people who made the parts of the plane and they say what was shown is not from that airliner. The FAA still shows the plane that crashed in the field still has a active FAA number, so we have 2 planes that crashed, yet no one saw the 2 actually hit, and the debree left from both are so minimal its like they just didnt exsist at all? To much doesnt add up, Im tellin ya.

[Chris Mazda]

well there really is no proof either way...the previous tapes showing impact definitly showed an object SMALLER than a plane hit the wall, but it was too fast to really tell. also the hole in the pentagon wall was way too small to be a 747.



shit links dont work.^^

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/..._evidence.html

it was a boeing 757 bit of a size difference there ace

[Brett]

I still believe the pentagon was hit by a plane. i have seen no evidence , regardless , that we hit it with a missle.

The engine parts recovered are not that of the size plane they claim hit it, meaning wasnt the airliner and still I cant see how anyone believes this airliner hit and there was no peices of a plane to recover, a plane that size would have peices left, The heat was not at a melting point to melt everything.

Explain the line that was painted on the ground 2 days before the crash that was an exact line the plane took ( yes there are pictures that show this line 2 days before )

Explain how no lightpole on the highway was hit by the plane when it went right over the highyway, etc... TO MANY THINGS DONT ADD UP, and the fact they held this video for 4 years proves it.

[Ruiner]

The engine parts recovered are not that of the size plane they claim hit it, meaning wasnt the airliner and still I cant see how anyone believes this airliner hit and there was no peices of a plane to recover, a plane that size would have peices left, The heat was not at a melting point to melt everything.

Explain the line that was painted on the ground 2 days before the crash that was an exact line the plane took ( yes there are pictures that show this line 2 days before )

Explain how no lightpole on the highway was hit by the plane when it went right over the highyway, etc... TO MANY THINGS DONT ADD UP, and the fact they held this video for 4 years proves it.

WRONG! Read this and you will see that it IS the same type of plane...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/..._evidence.html

[Brett]

WRONG! Read this and you will see that it IS the same type of plane...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/..._evidence.html

I will read that on my break for sure

[Ruiner]

I will read that on my break for sure

Please do. Read this as well:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ppfinal.html

[YokotaS13]

I still believe the pentagon was hit by a plane. i have seen no evidence , regardless , that we hit it with a missle.

ditto

[JITB]

wheres the family on the passengers on the pentagon plane?? what about the pilot? Why hasnt there been anyword about the people on the pentagon plane? 757's dont fly themselves

[Stormhammer]

^^^ you know, he's right

[JITB]

soo that 757 just was completly smashed and destroyed by the falling of the pentagons front concrete wall? All taht steel and theres 1 piece of aircraft laying in the yard.. 1 out of 12 wheels, 1 piece of the motor. Not a trace of either wing. And not a word about anyones family on the plane not even a word on a pilot. They found 60 bodies huh, 60 bodies of who?

[Sport1.3]

soo that 757 just was completly smashed and destroyed by the falling of the pentagons front concrete wall? All taht steel and theres 1 piece of aircraft laying in the yard.. 1 out of 12 wheels, 1 piece of the motor. Not a trace of either wing. And not a word about anyones family on the plane not even a word on a pilot. They found 60 bodies huh, 60 bodies of who?

all good points...ppl that dont atleast look for themselves to try and find the truth and not just what the internet and news flips out are just mindless boobs.

[Ruiner]

soo that 757 just was completly smashed and destroyed by the falling of the pentagons front concrete wall? All taht steel and theres 1 piece of aircraft laying in the yard.. 1 out of 12 wheels, 1 piece of the motor. Not a trace of either wing. And not a word about anyones family on the plane not even a word on a pilot. They found 60 bodies huh, 60 bodies of who?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ppfinal.html

In response to the question of "where is the wreckage of the plane", the answer is that much of the wreckage slid into the ground floor of the Pentagon. It slid INTO the building, into the first floor space, starting a fire in the first floor, whereupon the upper floors later collapsed down onto the remains of the aircraft. Most of the aircraft wreckage is therefore under the collapsed roof section in the photo. So where is the rest of the wreckage from the passenger plane? Right in plain view, for those who actually look.

Click for larger image of the damage to Pentagon

Now for the good site:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/..._evidence.html

Review the facts
- Size of 757 matches the initial size of hole in the building - somewhere between 13 and 16 feet (757 is 13 feet wide/high)
- Rims found in building match those of a 757
- Small turbine engine outside is an APU
- Same engine has been clearly stated to not match a Global Hawk engineBlue seats from 757 laying on ground in photos
- Part of "American" fuselage logo visible in more than 1 photo
- Engine parts photographed inside match a Rolls-Royce RB211
- Structural components photographed in wreckage match Boeing paint primer schemes
- Large deisel generator in front of building hit by a large heavy object
- Large deisel engine outside is spun towards the building - could not be result of bomb blast or missile explosion
- Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner
- Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner hit the Pentagon
- 60+ bodies, matching the passenger list and flight crew roster identified and returned to families from Pentagon wreckage

[Sport1.3]

here it is just noticing the missing second goes 19,21,22,23, on the frames, guessing they were missing a still when they made the gif

also how the hell can you say thats a plane in the film...its no where near as big

[PhAtBoYMr2]

here it is just noticing the missing second goes 19,21,22,23, on the frames, guessing they were missing a still when they made the gif

also how the hell can you say thats a plane in the film...its no where near as big

whatever hits the pentagon blows up instantly, like it was some sort of missle or something that hit it. Im sure if a 757 hit the pentagon it wouldnt blow up in a second, im sure it would go through the bulding and then blow up.

From the video it doesnt look like a plane at all, maybe if you slow down the video you can tell, but from the looks of how big that fire ball is and how fast it happend it looks like a cruise missle

[lightspeed]

Its amazing how everyone one here is simply restating almost verbatim what they have been fed in the conspiracy movie.
How do you know how a 757 is supposed to blow-up like when it hits a solid wall? Are you an aeronautical and pyrotechnical engineer? All the BS conjecture on that movie comes from scenarios that do not fully mimic this incident. Yes, jet fuel may not violently explode when ignited in the wings. But what if it is compressed with all the force of that volume of it striking a wall at 500 mph? Have you ever lite a trail of gasonline sitting on the ground? Did it blow up? I have...and no it didnt. It flamed up. Pour that same amount into a sealed can and light it on fire, and itll explode violently. Its totally different scenario.
I agree its hard to see a 757 in that video. But, the plane was traveling over 500 MPH. So, lets do the math...
500 miles/hr=2640000 ft/hr=733 ft/sec. A 757 is 155 feet long. Its very likely that you would never actually see the plane if they were only showing 1 frame per second of the video feed.
Guys, this is silly. Dont just suck up the BS you see on TV and use some sense.
Yes, the government covers up stuff...no doubt. But this is absurd.

[Xan]

whatever hits the pentagon blows up instantly, like it was some sort of missle or something that hit it. Im sure if a 757 hit the pentagon it wouldnt blow up in a second, im sure it would go through the bulding and then blow up.

From the video it doesnt look like a plane at all, maybe if you slow down the video you can tell, but from the looks of how big that fire ball is and how fast it happend it looks like a cruise missle

It's hard to judge time and distance in that video because it's filmed at a frame per second. The jet would have been traveling 350+MPH. If a missle hit and did blow upon impact on the outside wall, I doubt it would have made it to the 3rd level.

[JITB]

thye said they found the black box but dont want to release it b/c of th families...lol, but who are the people on the plane? Havent even heard 1 name from anyoen on that plane not even the pilot.

Can u honestly say that that plane completly dismantled and copletly disentagrated among impact in to a concrete wall.


BTW loose change is bveign sponsored by fox news, isnt the best news source, but its getting alot of exposure.

[Stormhammer]

okay just to get the thread back on track

waht about the video?

[Sport1.3]

http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html

more attempts to debunk the conspiracy

[Sledlude]

12 feet 4inch BODY width... what about wing span?? the wings and engines would have made a whole in the side of the pentagon a whole hell of a lot bigger than 13 feet. the physics of it does just not add up.

[Ruiner]

12 feet 4inch BODY width... what about wing span?? the wings and engines would have made a whole in the side of the pentagon a whole hell of a lot bigger than 13 feet. the physics of it does just not add up.

Well, remember that it hit the ground before it hit the building, so the wings wouldn't have really impacted the building like you would think. Wings are fairly lightweight and can easily crumble...

[Sledlude]

there would still be wing debris on the lawn, which there wasnt. there would be a LOT more debris. plus, they said that they found an engine INSIDE the pentagon wreckage. so there should be a larger hole.

[Sledlude]

^^ and according to that damn loose change video the engine they "found" in the building wasn't consistent with the plane

[Ruiner]

^^ and according to that damn loose change video the engine they "found" in the building wasn't consistent with the plane

Engine Evidence
Let�s take a look at some of the ground debris that appears to be related to an aircraft engine. Many different sites and posts have reported that the 757 uses Rolls-Royce engines [RB211-535E4B] - however it should be noted, for the sake of thuroughness, that American Airlines also use Pratt & Witney engines [PW2037] in many of their 757 fleet. You can also view this information on their website. (The 757 fleets around the world actually use over six different kinds of engines.) The 757 that is reported to have hit the Pentagon was using RB211-535E4B engines.

Here is are photos of some apparent engine parts from the Pentagon crash site.


Image portion cropped from (source) - Another View

What is seen in this photo is most likely the APU (Aux Power Unit) used in a 757 that is equipped with Rolls-Royce RB211 engines. The APU (Honeywell GTCP331-200) is located in the tail section of the aircraft (that's what the large vent that looks like a 3rd jet engine is) as edvidenced on this technical rescue reference aid from Boeing. Boeing 757 reference website. These small turbine engines are quite common on modern turbine & turbofan passenger aircraft, and are used to furnish ground auxillary power while the main engines are shut down during ground operations. An online training aid lets you Play around with the controls on a 757/767 instrument pannel.

There have been some people who claim that a Global Hawk was what hit the Pentagon. Here is what John W. Brown, spokesman for Rolls Royce (Indianapolis), had to say about the part in the photo above �It is not a part from any Rolls Royce engine that I�m familiar with, and certainly not the AE 3007H made here in Indy.� (Of course it wouldn't be anything he's familiar with, it's a powerplant made by Honeywell.) The AE 3007 engines are used in small commuter jets such as the Cessna Citation; the AE 3007H is also used in the military�s unmanned aircraft, the Global Hawk. The Global Hawk is manufactured by Northrop Grumman�s subsidiary Ryan Aeronautical, which it acquired from Teledyne, Inc. in July 1999. A detailed view of what the turbofan that powers the Global Hawk looks like - I'm sure you can see it's too small to be anything in the pictures contained here or anywhere else in the Pentagon crash evidence. Also visible in this photo, one of the 757's blue passenger seats to the left of the turbine, and possibly a 2nd seat above the other seat.


Below is a significant portion of a badly smashed RB211 engine in the Pentagon wreckage - what appears to be the diffusor section of the compressor, one of the pumps remains partially attached, some hoses and the familiar webbed wire wraps (to the right of the main ring) and some of the Boeing yellow primed support structure is lying beside it (left, with rivets - again: note the yellow primer, we'll cover that further down).
Reference: Image of the engine used on the 757 (it's the rightmost one, top row) Rolls-Royce


Another engine part, bottom right.

Below: Evidence of the right engine impact on the side of the building is evident on the large pillar being sprayed with fire retardant. (click photo for huge version)