DoD to release 9/11 video showing the Pentagon being hit

[Stormhammer]

Ruiner, just fyi, the red x is owning you

[Ruiner]

Ruiner, just fyi, the red x is owning you

Oh well. He can go here and look at the pics:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/..._evidence.html

[Sledlude]

Oh well. He can go here and look at the pics:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/..._evidence.html

it's "she".
and i'm checking it out thanks for the link.

[Sledlude]

so where is the rest of the wings? if they broke off before hitting the building there would by huge wing sections on the lawn. if they entered the building, there would be a larger hole.

[JITB]

no damage to the lawn... what happened to the wings again?

[Ruiner]

no damage to the lawn... what happened to the wings again?

Just read it. It answers all of your questions...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/..._evidence.html

[Nopaintsls]

Just read it. It answers all of your questions...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/..._evidence.html

find a new source... plz you keep putting up these links that are in your favor...

[Sport1.3]

No, I have a friend that works in DC, actually. He works for the CIA. I know this because the Dept. of Defense interviewed me as a character witness for him when he was applying for the job. He saw it...there is no urban legend in relation to my story.

Put the tin foil hat away, okay? How old are you? Are you an educated man?

^im 22 with a bac degree in business management @TCU and finishing up one in mechanical engineering @SPSU. if you want to get technical ab the physics and strength of materials i can spin your head...i know for a fact that what we are being told is complete and utter BS. a plane may infact of hit the pentagon, but the facts and details as to how it happened are way outta wack, and the fact that so many ppl just blindly accept them as true is mind boggling. im not saying it was a missle or a plane. im saying that it wasnt a 757. and taking your facts from the internet though a good source of information is only allowing yourself the sight of one point of view. science as im sure your aware can prove or disprove your actual existance, so why would this be any different.....anything can be made to seem reality when enough wrong information is given to the masses...its caled propaganda

[Sport1.3]

here is the vid...this looked doctored to anyone else? the plane is too bright and there is no shadow behind it like everything else in the video has??? there is also no debre following the plane showing that its actually made contact with ground as well as not in any pic is there any photographic evidence that the plane hit. there are not burn marks, pot holes etc showing a planes path

[Brett]

here is the vid...this looked doctored to anyone else? the plane is too bright and there is no shadow behind it like everything else in the video has??? there is also no debre following the plane showing that its actually made contact with ground as well as not in any pic is there any photographic evidence that the plane hit. there are not burn marks, pot holes etc showing a planes path

I dont even see a fucking plane there, A plane as big as that would show a bit more then that, to me it looks like a vapor trail heading to the building, Kinda like a missle trail or something, But hell if I see a fucking AMERICAN AIRLINES jet.

[Sport1.3]

I dont even see a fucking plane there, A plane as big as that would show a bit more then that, to me it looks like a vapor trail heading to the building, Kinda like a missle trail or something, But hell if I see a fucking AMERICAN AIRLINES jet.

well ill agree that whats in that pic is a plane...i just highly doubt that the film is completely untampered with.

[Ran]

Conspiracy or not, I fail to see what this video will do beside bring people to argue about more sh*t that happened in the past. I mean seriously. What's done is done. The Pentagon blew up as did the WTC. So now we're in Iraq doing our thing and what-not. The arguments about 9/11 will continue no matter what "evidence" is proven by either argument. Damn people, move on.

[Sport1.3]

^exactly...in every plane crash wreckage i have ever seen the tail end is usually somewhat intact...where the fuck is it here?

[Sport1.3]

see most the parts were still intact. the plane that landed in PA burned for much, much longer and still there was more wreckage to be found??!! :jerkit:

[Sport1.3]

^sorry man but thats pretty ignorant. history is very important. if you cant learn from past events then your future is doomed. if the government is infact plotting a conspiracy against its ppl then we need to know and change how we allow ourselves to be controlled. this is a debate not an arguement. noone is mad at anyone. its simply different opinions. whos to say something like this wont happen again if we dont expose the truth....oh wait this wasnt the first time...remember pearl harbor?

[Ran]

So.....Pearl Harbor was a conspiracy too? WTF?

I simply fail to see the point of arguing about old sh*t that's not going to make a difference now. If it turns out to be a conspiracy, then what? Are you going to overthrow the government because they can't be trusted? If it turns out to be true, then what? Probably won't accept it and argue about it anyway. It's all pointless blabbering to me.

[~The_Duke~]

^sorry man but thats pretty ignorant. history is very important. if you cant learn from past events then your future is doomed. if the government is infact plotting a conspiracy against its ppl then we need to know and change how we allow ourselves to be controlled. this is a debate not an arguement. noone is mad at anyone. its simply different opinions. whos to say something like this wont happen again if we dont expose the truth....oh wait this wasnt the first time...remember pearl harbor?

If I remember correctly the japense decided to fly a whole lot a planes over a military harbor that didnt know they were pissed at us and blew the shit out of our ships while they were still in port...it just means we didnt have a very good way of detecting incoming foes at the time...

History is very important but if someone or group of people is going to conspire againest us in a secret location or behind closed doors somewhere there isnt much we can do about it except for be prepared for the unexcepted.

[99SI]

If I remember correctly the japense decided to fly a whole lot a planes over a military harbor that didnt know they were pissed at us and blew the shit out of our ships while they were still in port...it just means we didnt have a very good way of detecting incoming foes at the time...

History is very important but if someone or group of people is going to conspire againest us in a secret location or behind closed doors somewhere there isnt much we can do about it except for be prepared for the unexcepted.

As far as Pearl Harbor goes the Japanese had spies here, we knew they had spies here, they were in Pearl Harbor, scuba diving to see where things were underwater, taking inventory of the ships we had in port, planes we had there. So it is not as if we didn't know and were caught completely off gaurd on that one. Also, to throw another conspiracy on the fire. lol. JFK had begun removal of ground troops from Vietnam, he was going to completely pull out. He was assassinated with suspicious facts around it. When the office was filled by Lyndon Johnson troops were sent back to Vietnam along with more troops. Bombings on non military positions was constant. Bomb factories all over the US flourished, new business cropped up to support the "CONFLICT" in Vietnam. Hell they couldn't hire enough people to build bombs, ammunition, etc. Lyndon Johnson had very very strong ties to people in the Defense Industry that profited mightily every day we stayed in Vietnam. I am not a conspiracy theorist, however, I do not believe that our country is completely innocent of any wrongdoing at any time. Hell we dropped 2 Atomic bombs on crowded CITIES in Japan. Not on Military bases or missle silos but on the streets of downtown cities. The U.S. government infected a group of black people in an experiment on the effects of Syphilis, not a small group either. They were kept together in a large compound and watched while their brains were eaten by a deadly disease just to see what would happen. Our country is a great place. I love it dearly, although I do believe that we should question everything and even if we are called "unpatriotic", by not following the masses and finding out for sure with absolute proof, we are not only Patriotic we are doing what our forefathers would want us to do and that is to make sure that the government is serving our best interest and not just those who are in power.

[Sport1.3]

^nice input thanx michael

If I remember correctly the japense decided to fly a whole lot a planes over a military harbor that didnt know they were pissed at us and blew the shit out of our ships while they were still in port...it just means we didnt have a very good way of detecting incoming foes at the time...


History is very important but if someone or group of people is going to conspire againest us in a secret location or behind closed doors somewhere there isnt much we can do about it except for be prepared for the unexcepted.

we knew about the pending attacks days before they occured, exactly like we did ab 9/11. if that was also so easily debunked then why have we gone back and forth for years over it. they were both terrorist attacks on US soil

[Ran]

we knew about the pending attacks days before they occured, exactly like we did ab 9/11. if that was also so easily debunked then why have we gone back and forth for years over it. they were both terrorist attacks on US soil

The attack on Pearl Harbor was an act of war, not a terrorist attack. If you've ever seen a documentary on Pearl Harbor, you'll see that some of the spotters on the outer islands did in-fact report incoming Japanese, but they were discredited for the most part until just before the attack. Conspiracy? Highly doubtful. More like a lack of communication. After all, America still had a big head after whooping ass in WWI. We were untouchable until that attack. Then America was promptly handed a big slice of humble pie. Not saying that we didn't kick ass afterwards tho.

[Sport1.3]

The attack on Pearl Harbor was an act of war, not a terrorist attack. If you've ever seen a documentary on Pearl Harbor, you'll see that some of the spotters on the outer islands did in-fact report incoming Japanese, but they were discredited for the most part until just before the attack. Conspiracy? Highly doubtful. More like a lack of communication. After all, America still had a big head after whooping ass in WWI. We were untouchable until that attack. Then America was promptly handed a big slice of humble pie. Not saying that we didn't kick ass afterwards tho.

nathan, come on now. your giving the government too much credit. the pearl harbor attack was our window into world warII. it was well know the japanese didnt like us but they had no intentions of starting a war with us...no one did, like you said we were a world power after WWI. but as always we had bigger plans. the attack whether real or staged (a big conspiracy theory) happened and we knew it was going to. lot and lots of ppl lost their lives that day, all for the profit of big business. war stimulates economy, its as simple as that. there will never be a time when there will be peace, its how our system works. all you need is millions of mindless followers to becon at you every command, and how we do that is scare tactics. we scare ppl into action so they dont have time to think for themselves. an attack on our own soil is just the ticket to get us back into war and making the rich even richer. dont you think its alittle odd at least that the ppl that profit the most off of war times are the ppl leading the charge (metophorically...like they would actually ever fight for their own country..lol)

[Chris Mazda]

anyone who thinks that 9/11 is a conspiracy theory is completely fucking stupid. I hope this video puts morons like the guy who runs reopen911 in their place.

[Brett]

anyone who thinks that 9/11 is a conspiracy theory is completely fucking stupid. I hope this video puts morons like the guy who runs reopen911 in their place.

Yes because its so hard to imagine that the government would do something like this? If it will kill its own president (Remember that guy by the name of JFK?) we would do this. Explain the insurance taken out on the 2 towers 2 weeks before the attack. Explain how bulks or airline stock were bought with a type of insurance that protects the invester from a big loss? Did you see the video that shows the implosions on the two WT towers as it started to collapse? People heard the implosion devices going off as they started to fall. A Plane would not have brought these towers down, they were designed to withstand these impacts, Dude, If you think we live in a country that our government has no blood on thier hands, you are in a fairy tale land. Vietnam was fought for one reason, MONEY!!! To make lots of it. The blood of how many soldiers are on the hands for that?

[HyPer50]

anyone who thinks that 9/11 is a conspiracy theory is completely fucking stupid. I hope this video puts morons like the guy who runs reopen911 in their place.

Definatly agreed... It's what I've been saying the whole friggin' time, I am simply amazed and how many MORONS actually believe the US government somehow setup all this and attacked itself...

[Sport1.3]

^this coming from a Darwin award winner......go drowned yourself in the bathwater you uneducated tool

[Elbow]

i think someone else hit it with a missle hint the unmarked planes above and america is hiding that by saying it was hit with a plane so america wouldnt freak knowing there were missles involved.

[Brett]

i think someone else hit it with a missle hint the unmarked planes above and america is hiding that by saying it was hit with a plane so america wouldnt freak knowing there were missles involved.

Yeah I forgot about the unmarked planes that were seen over head when the pentagon was hit, Kinda like if a plane was flown via remote into it (Which would then explain the painted line on the grass so it would have a path to follow maybe?) The unmarked white planes stayed in the area till the impact then flew off. They were in the sky when NO AIR TRAFFIC was allowed except for fighters.

[Sport1.3]

^another good point is that the area over and around the pentagon is a no flyzone. if infact a plane would be found on radar it would have been shot down miles b4 it hit the pentagon. there is no way your going to tell me they lost contact with the plane that long to have let it go off course that far and crash into the pentagon. i mean way smaller plans have been shot down or redirected when entering such areas, and with no warning. like that payne stewart's plane. it was picked up by the airforce moments after they lost contact with ground. everyone died onboard due to loss of cabin pressure. they werent in a no fly zone yet were picked up very soon after the passengers and pilots on board died. the airforce followed the plane on autopilot till it came down. so how is it this commercial plane did this in a no fly zone and marking much bigger on radar....doesnt add up.

[R3RUN]

I believe the WTC was not part of a conspiracy. The buildings were never meant to withstand a plane of that size to hit with that much fuel on board. The collapse probably could have been prevented if the planes had hit much lower, but they didn't and no building can withstand a fuel fire like that.

Now the Pentagon is a little strange. Here you have one of the most heavily guarded places in the U.S. supposedly hit by a commercial airliner. I am pretty sure that Pentagon officials would have been notified when a plane was headed into their no fly zone and they would have responded by at least sending up fighters to intercept the plane. Why didnt this happen? The only people that know for sure will probably never tell. It would make sense that something could fly into the Pentagon though if the officials knew about it or had planned it themselves.

Also in all videos I have seen the "plane" is moving extremely fast. If cameras in slow-motion have a hard time seeing what happend what good is the human eye? One light post on the ground is not very convincing evidence that a plane went by either. With a wingspan that is well over 100 feet long a plane would have taken out more than one light post and possibly hit that large road sign in the background of one of the pictures. Then there is the wings. Where did they go? If the plane hit ground the wings should be near by right? I have yet to see a picture of wings on the ground outside the Pentagon. If the wings hit the building you would see one hell of a hole. Think about it, (I believe this is true but am not sure) the wings of an airliner hold the fuel for the trip. Therefore a large amount of fuel would have hit the building and ignited in a rather large explosion spread out over say 100 feet. This would probably have had enough force to knock a wall if the wing itself didnt.

Anyway just some things I thought about.

[Sledlude]

I believe the WTC was not part of a conspiracy. The buildings were never meant to withstand a plane of that size to hit with that much fuel on board.

yes they were. the buildings WERE designed to withstand much harsher impact, including that of a jet hitting them. they claimed that wtc towers were extremely strong due to their construction and could even handlle being hit by an airplane and not collapse way before 9/11. One man who said this way before 9/11 was killed that day, but he says this on tape, I saw it a few years before.

[R3RUN]

yes they were. the buildings WERE designed to withstand much harsher impact, including that of a jet hitting them. they claimed that wtc towers were extremely strong due to their construction and could even handlle being hit by an airplane and not collapse way before 9/11. One man who said this way before 9/11 was killed that day, but he says this on tape, I saw it a few years before.

Here

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Explanation of why the towers fell, the fires from the jet fuel did much more damage than the impact of the planes. This also explains to an extent why it may have appeared as though the building was imploded using explosives. The flashes of light seen in the building can be explained as shorted out transformers in the building itself.

The only reason I could see for the government attacking itself at the Pentagon is that the 9/11 attacks at the WTC left them a perfect disguise that may intice the people of the U.S. to go to war.

[99SI]

One of the biggest things about 9/11 that always bugged me wast he FBI agent that did a field report on suspicious persons (Mohamed Atta) at a flight training facility in Florida that were learning how to fly commercial airliners but didn't want take off or landing training only in flight training. Gee can you get anymore obvious than that? The report was not followed up on even though it was given to superiors for further investigation.

[carrascopa]

lets use sense here people.. there is no conspiracy in regards to the 9/11 events..... it just really makes no sense ..




if you believe that the events that took place on 9/11 were set up by our government to go to war to get rich off oil n other shit.. than your an idiot!



bush would have to be almost as sick as hitler to pull that shit off...



i just dont see it.. what would the point be? to go to war with iraq?? come on.. ive heard it all....


to gain contol of oil???? i swear if that were the case than how come our gas is sooo damn high!


face it.. some terrorist extremist assholes jacked a few planes and crashed them into shit.. case closed

[99SI]

Something I always found funny, when Bush was running for president the first time he wanted the "missle defense shield". Many many experts on national security said that we would be much more likely to be attacked by terrorists on American soil than a missle attack. No one in the world had the technology nor the equipment to attack us with missles, not where we couldn't see well before hand anyway. He spent billions of dollars on that worthless shit. After 9/11 we never heard anything about this missle defense for quite some time. Although the money for it was being spent and development was still going on. I don't believe that there has been a successful test of this waste of BILLIONS to this date.

[HyPer50]

Something I always found funny, when Bush was running for president the first time he wanted the "missle defense shield". Many many experts on national security said that we would be much more likely to be attacked by terrorists on American soil than a missle attack. No one in the world had the technology nor the equipment to attack us with missles, not where we couldn't see well before hand anyway. He spent billions of dollars on that worthless shit. After 9/11 we never heard anything about this missle defense for quite some time. Although the money for it was being spent and development was still going on. I don't believe that there has been a successful test of this waste of BILLIONS to this date.

Missle defense? Are you referring to the "starwars" program, where they use lasers to destroy missles in midflight? if so, yes they have had succesful tests of it heh.

[99SI]

Missle defense? Are you referring to the "starwars" program, where they use lasers to destroy missles in midflight? if so, yes they have had succesful tests of it heh.

No, Starwars was Reagan and that never got into a testing phase, just a stupid ass idea. The Missle Defense Shield was Bush's baby and that involved shooting an incoming missle with a missle of our own. That has been tested twice now and has never been able to intercept the dummy missle that they were trying to hit.

[99SI]

I just want to point out that I do not neccessarily believe that the government committed the acts themselves. However, there are very large inconsistencies with quite a few things surrounding the attacks. A few of the things I pointed out. My only thing is that I am not against listening to reason and FACTS that could point to other conclusions than we were completely unaware of the fact that what happened on 9/11 was going to occur.

[Wurm]

Personally I really dont care it's not my problem I have better things to do with my time then worry about then what hit the pentagon

[Vteckidd]

conspiracy, no way, poor management of information , absolutely.

there are always going to be theories to reason why an how, its normal, look at JFK, Lincoln, an others. But it DOESNT HOLD ANY WATER when it comes down to the one remaining underlying fact, PROOF.

Clearly in the video we can see a plane hit the building, case closed. Remember, that day the FAA was scrambling all over the place to find what planes were hijcakced an what werent. alot of the focus was on New York, by the time they figured out that a plane was heading for the pentagon, ti was too late, our fighters had been scrambled but with no information as to what the next target (if there was one) was.

It was BAD communication.

Clearly, as carroscopa said, its a case of extremists carrying out a terrorist attack, nothing more. there WERE warning signs, however, do you know how many THREATS we get a DAY? its hard to figure out what ones are real an which ones are fake. why do you think we kept getting "terror alerts" after 9/11 from HS. they started reporting EVERYTHING that was credible, then people bitched that our intel sucks when nothing happened. so you cant have it both ways.

[Sport1.3]

conspiracy, no way, poor management of information , absolutely.

there are always going to be theories to reason why an how, its normal, look at JFK, Lincoln, an others. But it DOESNT HOLD ANY WATER when it comes down to the one remaining underlying fact, PROOF.

Clearly in the video we can see a plane hit the building, case closed. Remember, that day the FAA was scrambling all over the place to find what planes were hijcakced an what werent. alot of the focus was on New York, by the time they figured out that a plane was heading for the pentagon, ti was too late, our fighters had been scrambled but with no information as to what the next target (if there was one) was.

It was BAD communication.

Clearly, as carroscopa said, its a case of extremists carrying out a terrorist attack, nothing more. there WERE warning signs, however, do you know how many THREATS we get a DAY? its hard to figure out what ones are real an which ones are fake. why do you think we kept getting "terror alerts" after 9/11 from HS. they started reporting EVERYTHING that was credible, then people bitched that our intel sucks when nothing happened. so you cant have it both ways.

watch the older video and then the new one...they are the same but one is closer. they have the same footage. there is no plane in the original video, yet there is one in the video released 4 yrs later by the DOD after a huge law suit..... believe what you want