DoD to release 9/11 video showing the Pentagon being hit

[B16a2 Civic]

some nerds got too much time on they hands

[Xan]

some nerds got too much time on they hands

Slow day at work.

[Sport1.3]

haha thats all misleading information. its all one sided and doesnt explain any of the real hard questions, it just shows what evidence they do have to get you to form an opinion on the event that benifits them. like where the fuck where the wings? why was their only one wheel found then the landing gear has 4 per side? where was the other motor?why was this only captured on 1-2 of the hundreds of cameras that surround the perimeter on the building? where is the list of passengers/pilot? whay was that wing of the building and only that wing closed of for construction and for some reason being re-enforced with a kevlar lining to withstand a large impact? what was the white line on the lawn of the pentagon for that was seen several days before the incedent? why wont the DOD release the black box, when all the black box info from everyother downed flight is released to the public in the instance of a crash? where are the pitted/burnt marking on the lawn from the plane supposedly skidding across the ground? how is it that its possible the plane flew in at that angle and only inches off the ground and didnt destroy more than a light pole?where are all these ppl that say they saw a plane, i havent seen a single one on the news or anything? etc...i could go on and on for days.....nothing adds up

[Xan]

haha thats all misleading information. its all one sided and doesnt explain any of the real hard questions, it just shows what evidence they do have to get you to form an opinion on the event that benifits them. like where the fuck where the wings? why was their only one wheel found then the landing gear has 4 per side? where was the other motor?why was this only captured on 1-2 of the hundreds of cameras that surround the perimeter on the building? where is the list of passengers/pilot? whay was that wing of the building and only that wing closed of for construction and for some reason being re-enforced with a kevlar lining to withstand a large impact? what was the white line on the lawn of the pentagon for that was seen several days before the incedent? why wont the DOD release the black box, when all the black box info from everyother downed flight is released to the public in the instance of a crash? where are the pitted/burnt marking on the lawn from the plane supposedly skidding across the ground? how is it that its possible the plane flew in at that angle and only inches off the ground and didnt destroy more than a light pole?where are all these ppl that say they saw a plane, i havent seen a single one on the news or anything? etc...i could go on and on for days.....nothing adds up

If you would actually read the information on the page it would answer half the questions you just asked. This isn't an "every day crash." It was a terrorist attack. The black boxes may have classified information that may not be suitable for release during time of war(What that info could be I have no idea). If the government planned it, why would they REINFORCE the impact side? I've never heard of any line on the lawn days before the incident until now. From all the footage and pictures I've seen, no line is present at the time of impact. They may not even be related. I'll have to look into it and get back to you. The impacted side of the building was under construction. The cameras probably weren't even on. I was under the notion that the footage we've seen came from a gas station camera accross the street. You're right. SOME things don't add up, but none add up to conspiracy IMHO.

[Sport1.3]

the government planned it, why would they REINFORCE the impact side?

so as to not damage the building more than needed. it would also help insulate the rest of the buildings from the extreme forces of the "planes" impact and from the fire. odd they only decided to reinforce that side of the building and that just happen to be void of government employees???? and the plane just so happened to hit that exact side of the building with exact precision...bs

[Xan]

so as to not damage the building more than needed. it would also help insulate the rest of the buildings from the extreme forces of the "planes" impact and from the fire. odd they only decided to reinforce that side of the building and that just happen to be void of government employees???? and the plane just so happened to hit that exact side of the building with exact precision...bs

That part of the building was vacant because it was under renovation. As stated in the article, the building was being renovated because the materials used in its initial construction weren't stable(They needed the steel for battleships and the like). There were casualties at the Pentagon. As for "precision" flying. The Pentagon is the largest office building in the US and last I checked a pentagon only has 5 sides.

[Sport1.3]

That part of the building was vacant because it was under renovation. As stated in the article, the building was being renovated because the materials used in its initial construction weren't stable(They needed the steel for battleships and the like). There were casualties at the Pentagon. As for "precision" flying. The Pentagon is the largest office building in the US and last I checked a pentagon only has 5 sides.

so they "just happened" to be renovating the building when this all when down? lol why not the whole building?? its BS!! thats why. and as far as the casualties from gov employees, they have yet to state one name or show evidence of one sinlge body and never will. cough:cover up:cough :jerkit:

[lightspeed]

media PROPAGANDA!!! you just believe what you are told. there is no way that was a 757 and your blind if you think so.the aftermath alone, as well as the video evidence should prove that much. airplanes dont combust in whitehot explosions, but purpose built explosives containing cordite do! the video that was released yesterday is most definitly doctored. it is nothing like the original that was leeked on the net 4 years ago. honestly their are fewer bits of "evidence" that is was a plane then their are it was something else. nothing, i mean nothing ab that crash adds up, and if the fact that the government is breaking the freedom of information act to hide the truth ab the situation doesnt set off an alarm in your brain, then well good luck in life buddy

Danny, let me guess...youre also one of those people who believes we didnt actually go to the moon?
Ive got some beachfront property in Indiana Id like to sell you. Ill put together a very convincing documentary on how there really is a hidden ocean in that area

[Sport1.3]

^lame....go drown yourself in the bath water..you're useless

[PhAtBoYMr2]

here it is just noticing the missing second goes 19,21,22,23, on the frames, guessing they were missing a still when they made the gif

also how the hell can you say thats a plane in the film...its no where near as big

whatever hits the pentagon blows up instantly, like it was some sort of missle or something that hit it. Im sure if a 757 hit the pentagon it wouldnt blow up in a second, im sure it would go through the bulding and then blow up.

From the video it doesnt look like a plane at all, maybe if you slow down the video you can tell, but from the looks of how big that fire ball is and how fast it happend it looks like a cruise missle

[Xan]

so they "just happened" to be renovating the building when this all when down? lol why not the whole building?? its BS!! thats why. and as far as the casualties from gov employees, they have yet to state one name or show evidence of one sinlge body and never will. cough:cover up:cough :jerkit:

Would you re-floor your entire house all at one time? You renovate in sections. Seeing as how the Pentagon houses the Department of Defense, along with other various government organizations, you can't just move them into trailers on the back lot. As far as displaying maimed bodies on national television, not to mention those of government employees, they usually get clearance from the families of the deceased first. They also have to have a body to display. Fire cremates. It does it even better when mixed with jet fuel. How often do they show gunshot victims and brutal car wreck victims on TV? How often does someone tell you they lost a loved one and you ask them to "prove it."

[lightspeed]

Its amazing how everyone one here is simply restating almost verbatim what they have been fed in the conspiracy movie.
How do you know how a 757 is supposed to blow-up like when it hits a solid wall? Are you an aeronautical and pyrotechnical engineer? All the BS conjecture on that movie comes from scenarios that do not fully mimic this incident. Yes, jet fuel may not violently explode when ignited in the wings. But what if it is compressed with all the force of that volume of it striking a wall at 500 mph? Have you ever lite a trail of gasonline sitting on the ground? Did it blow up? I have...and no it didnt. It flamed up. Pour that same amount into a sealed can and light it on fire, and itll explode violently. Its totally different scenario.
I agree its hard to see a 757 in that video. But, the plane was traveling over 500 MPH. So, lets do the math...
500 miles/hr=2640000 ft/hr=733 ft/sec. A 757 is 155 feet long. Its very likely that you would never actually see the plane if they were only showing 1 frame per second of the video feed.
Guys, this is silly. Dont just suck up the BS you see on TV and use some sense.
Yes, the government covers up stuff...no doubt. But this is absurd.

[Xan]

whatever hits the pentagon blows up instantly, like it was some sort of missle or something that hit it. Im sure if a 757 hit the pentagon it wouldnt blow up in a second, im sure it would go through the bulding and then blow up.

From the video it doesnt look like a plane at all, maybe if you slow down the video you can tell, but from the looks of how big that fire ball is and how fast it happend it looks like a cruise missle

It's hard to judge time and distance in that video because it's filmed at a frame per second. The jet would have been traveling 350+MPH. If a missle hit and did blow upon impact on the outside wall, I doubt it would have made it to the 3rd level.

[Elbow]

in the clip, i am not for sure, would there be a shaddow at any point of a plane flying bye? even a SMALL tenth millisecond? i know it was going very fast. but just asking.

[Xan]

in the clip, i am not for sure, would there be a shaddow at any point of a plane flying bye? even a SMALL tenth millisecond? i know it was going very fast. but just asking.

Depends on which way it cast. The video quality is pretty shitty too.

Edit: The camera that caught the footage released to Judicial Watch filmed at a rate of one frame per second. If the above calculations are correct and the plane was moving 733ft/second then I'm surprised it was caught on tape at all. I couldn't get the judicial watch link to work, but I found it on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L75Gga92WO8 You can see the nose of the plane enter the frame at around 1 min 20 secs in. A cop car passes directly under the camera maybe 20 secs before the plane hits. It gives a good size comparison.

[Sport1.3]

believe what you will...like said above we are only restating ourselves over and over and its all opinion based. whether we all believe what happened that day or not it was a horrible experience for everyone. we will all have to agree to disagree. i personally am a very questioning individual and i never take anything at just face value, that is why i am so skeptical. so i hope all of you take this thread lightheartedly. thanks for all the great debate...lets try and source new facts now

[R3RUN]

When was the last time you saw a 757 throwing off that kind of a jet stream?

If a missle hit and did blow upon impact on the outside wall, I doubt it would have made it to the 3rd level.

Its called a bunker buster. They worked wonders in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Also I would really like to see the videos taken from the gas station and the hotel.

[lightspeed]

believe what you will...like said above we are only restating ourselves over and over and its all opinion based. whether we all believe what happened that day or not it was a horrible experience for everyone. we will all have to agree to disagree. i personally am a very questioning individual and i never take anything at just face value, that is why i am so skeptical. so i hope all of you take this thread lightheartedly. thanks for all the great debate...lets try and source new facts now

Agreed. I admit that there are things that dont add up. The bottom line is that none of us, including the "expert" on the conspiracy movie, are qualified to "prove" anything. This will be one of the great unsolved debates of all time.

[Elbow]

right i dont think anyone on here has an answer we can just say what we think and any evidence. i think though the real answer will be proven sometimes, with as much facts as possible and evidence. why cant the US just show us video from the gas station or something to shut people in doubt up, like me lol. i dont think america did it, but i dont think it was a plane.

[Xan]

When was the last time you saw a 757 throwing off that kind of a jet stream?



Its called a bunker buster. They worked wonders in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Also I would really like to see the videos taken from the gas station and the hotel.

I didn't see a jetstream in the video. When was the last time you saw a 757 going 500+MPH 10ft off the ground? Tibbett thought that a plane wouldn't blow up instantly on impact, so he suggested a missle. I suggested otherwise. It's true that a bunker buster would penetrate that deep(Probably deeper). It's also true that a 7ft thick 125ft long piece of steel traveling 500MPH would do the same. Also, bunker busters penetrate, then explode. That clearly isn't the case here.

[Sport1.3]

well from the video you really cant make it out but the object may not have exploded on impact. remember the video is 1 fram every sec. that would have given the "object" more than enough time to fully penetrate, then explode. remember the initial hole made by the "object" was no more than 12-14' wide, suggesting that the explosion took place further into the buildings structure. this both helps and hurts my arguement...discuss

[Elbow]

do some missles explode past they hit something? im not sure about missles and how they work...

[PhAtBoYMr2]

do some missles explode past they hit something? im not sure about missles and how they work...

yes some missles do. There are alot of differnt missles out there with alot of differnt functions...If you have ever seen a real life missle blast on tv or whatever it looks almost identical to what hits the pentagon, I can tell you right now whoever think thats a 757 is very wrong, the flames in the video go out in a matter of like 10 seconds...i think gallons and gallons of jet fuel would burn much longer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad8HR...arch=missle%20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2cDW...arch=missle%20

[Sport1.3]

depends on the type. some are made to explode after impact while others like explained earlier penetrate and then explode (bunker buster)

[Xan]

yes some missles do. There are alot of differnt missles out there with alot of differnt functions...If you have ever seen a real life missle blast on tv or whatever it looks almost identical to what hits the pentagon, I can tell you right now whoever think thats a 757 is very wrong, the flames in the video go out in a matter of like 10 seconds...i think gallons and gallons of jet fuel would burn much longer

Smart bombs and cruise missles look similar. Guided missles(Air to air, surface to air, ground to air, and air to ground) only pack enough payload to destroy vehicles and infantry. However, a guided explosive(Smart bomb, tomahawk, or otherwise) still doesn't explain the damage to lamp posts, vehicles, or the generator among other things. The generator, fence, etc. were hit on entry. A cruise missle is neither big enough, nor does it provide enough thrust to crash through all of the above mentioned items unscathed and still penetrate 3 levels deep into the Pentagon. Jet fuel burning in an uncontrolled state can burn rather quickly.

[Elbow]

There is equal evidence but the video itself just seems strange. I still dont think it was a 747. Another plane something smaller, missle, whatever, maybe. But that explosion looks like one of the explosions on a movie. Also, did the WTC burn for weeks due to jet fuel and all? How long did the Pentagon burn? Just curious if anyone knows or if that even matters.

[man]

Its called a bunker buster. They worked wonders in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Haha, not even close, but good try

[Stormhammer]

. Also, did the WTC burn for weeks due to jet fuel and all? How long did the Pentagon burn? Just curious if anyone knows or if that even matters.

hmm, good point

[Xan]

There is equal evidence but the video itself just seems strange. I still dont think it was a 747. Another plane something smaller, missle, whatever, maybe. But that explosion looks like one of the explosions on a movie. Also, did the WTC burn for weeks due to jet fuel and all? How long did the Pentagon burn? Just curious if anyone knows or if that even matters.

Good question. I think the WTC burnt for so much longer because the fire department couldn't actually get to the fire until the buildings came down. Even then, the fire was burning underneath all of the rubble. The "loose change" video talks about how hot jet fuel burns and say it couldn't have gotten hot enough to melt the gold and stuff found at the bottom of the WTC. If you think about it though, everything falling on top of the fire insulated it almost like a giant oven. It's kind of hard to know exactly how hot it really got. The same can't be said of the Pentagon crash. The bulk of the explosion took place outside the building. The fire wasn't 60+ floors up either so the firemen could actually combat it when they reached the scene.

[Elbow]

Oh ok, well just throwing questions out. This thread died where did everyone go? lol

[SPOOLIN]

they cruise at 540mph but theres no way to control a plane that is going down enough to precisely hit the building like that. if it was going 540mph it would have fucked a lot more shit up being as large as it is. it may have been going 200 something, but not the full 540mph. no way.

[Elbow]

So you are saying there is no way it was a plane like they said, or no way it was going what they said?

[Xan]

they cruise at 540mph but theres no way to control a plane that is going down enough to precisely hit the building like that. if it was going 540mph it would have fucked a lot more shit up being as large as it is. it may have been going 200 something, but not the full 540mph. no way.

With training and a little luck I think it could happen. Every pilot had flight time as well as commercial flight simulation time. It wasn't a "precise" attack per say. He was aiming for the Pentagon and he hit it.

[SPOOLIN]

So you are saying there is no way it was a plane like they said, or no way it was going what they said?

whatever was in that video was obviously going faster and doing it more precisely than any jetliner going that fast could do.

[Elbow]

true