Will the plane take off? v. Mythbusters!!! (VIDEO on Page 38)

**d993s** · 10-24-2007, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by speedminded

Well please enlighten us as soon as you can, I know people currently building 750whp Porsche's right now and i'm sure they would love to know about these "secrets".

On that note, this car was a blast to get mutilated by in the mountains...

No secrets, just bolt-ons and tuning as with any other car. I think he tweaked his GIAC software.

Nice car in the pics!

**speedminded** · 10-24-2007, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Ruiner

Yeah, that GT2 belongs to Cleve and it has a ton of internal work done to it.

Yep, shipped out west...colorado maybe? and thinking it was somewhere in the $40k range for the build? The car's been long since sold though :-/

**Ruiner** · 10-24-2007, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by speedminded

Yep, shipped out west...colorado maybe? and thinking it was somewhere in the $40k range for the build? The car's been long since sold though :-/

Stephen Kasper at Imagine Auto built it. It was the GT700 kit (maybe the 750). Kansas...

**On_Her_Face** · 10-24-2007, 04:32 PM

i don't know ruiner, but david, d993s, does know his ****, however i do not know german cars very well(i know a little about e36 bimmers)

so i can't really back him up on this one

**IDCoconut** · 10-25-2007, 05:33 AM

The more I look at the 996's, the more they're starting to be appealing. The price tags on them compared to the 993's don't hurt either. I'm mainly talking the Turbos.

I bet you a 996 Turbo can take off a treadmill runway. It would need to be on neutral and have jets though....

**Fast Shadow** · 10-25-2007, 10:11 AM

800rwhp with bolt ons on a 996TT

I just drove a 1994 930T the other day w/ the 3.6L motor. It had a GT35R at 1 bar and was making 550rwhp on pump. The motor was fully built by Imagine, there's no way it could hold up to that much power otherwise. Now that it's built it can probably take 700rwhp or more.

**speedminded** · 10-27-2007, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by Fast Shadow

800rwhp with bolt ons on a 996TT

I just drove a 1994 930T the other day w/ the 3.6L motor. It had a GT35R at 1 bar and was making 550rwhp on pump. The motor was fully built by Imagine, there's no way it could hold up to that much power otherwise. Now that it's built it can probably take 700rwhp or more.

You mean '84? The last year of the 930 was 1989

...and all 930's are Turbo

**Julio** · 10-28-2007, 10:42 AM

Back on topic..

I dont see the plane going anywhere but sideways.

**On_Her_Face** · 10-28-2007, 03:32 PM

it will crash and burn

**Ruiner** · 10-28-2007, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by speedminded

You mean '84? The last year of the 930 was 1989

...and all 930's are Turbo

Yeah, the '94 was a 964 (965 if you really want to be specific) turbo like in the movie Bad Boys...

**Ruiner** · 10-28-2007, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by J****

Back on topic..

I dont see the plane going anywhere but sideways.

That's a shame...

**bastarling84** · 10-29-2007, 09:39 AM

It's the same concept of putting a skateboard on a treadmill. The plane will just sit there while the wheels roll underneath with the jet off. With the jet on, it is going to roll forward and lift. The only problem I foresee is possible steering issues with so much force on the wheels.

**speedminded** · 10-29-2007, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by bastarling84

It's the same concept of putting a skateboard on a treadmill. The plane will just sit there while the wheels roll underneath with the jet off. With the jet on, it is going to roll forward and lift. The only problem I foresee is possible steering issues with so much force on the wheels.

Planes don't steer with their wheels unless they're taxi'ing at slow speeds...anything over [estimating] say 30 to 60mph and they can use the flaps and aerolons for direction.

**Ruiner** · 10-29-2007, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by speedminded

Planes don't steer with their wheels unless they're taxi'ing at slow speeds...anything over [estimating] say 30 to 60mph and they can use the flaps and aerolons for direction.

Shhhhhhhhhh, don't use logic here.

**bastarling84** · 10-29-2007, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by speedminded

Planes don't steer with their wheels unless they're taxi'ing at slow speeds...anything over [estimating] say 30 to 60mph and they can use the flaps and aerolons for direction.

Oh, well then I guess my argument was worthless. Carry on.

**speedminded** · 10-29-2007, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by VooDooXII

Not quite...because the component that is providing the force forward (jet turbines) is not in contact with the force that is working against it (the treadmill runway).

It would stay in place if the wind was pushing against it as well, but then again...with enough wind force, the plane would lift off anyway.

It's exactly the same as a skateboard on a "tread mill" in a sense of free wheeling wheels and what propels it has nothing to do with the wheels.

**VooDooXII** · 10-29-2007, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by speedminded

It's exactly the same as a skateboard on a "tread mill" in a sense of free wheeling wheels and what propels it has nothing to do with the wheels.

Ahh, never mind...I read his post wrong.

**Echonova** · 10-30-2007, 11:07 PM

The plane will only take off if it's equipped with NAAWWWSSSSS.

**koukis14** · 10-31-2007, 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by Echonova

The plane will only take off if it's equipped with NAAWWWSSSSS.

And V-tech

**3.5altman** · 10-31-2007, 04:13 AM

that red head on mythbusters, can get it homie

**Ruiner** · 10-31-2007, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by 3.5altman

that red head on mythbusters, can get it homie

Kari > *

**VooDooXII** · 10-31-2007, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by 3.5altman

that red head on mythbusters, can get it homie

There have been not one, but two threads on this girl.

...but yea, she's cute.

**Fast Shadow** · 11-01-2007, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by speedminded

You mean '84? The last year of the 930 was 1989

...and all 930's are Turbo

I had a brainfart, it was a 964 turbo.

**speedminded** · 12-05-2007, 05:30 PM

5 days, who wants to place a "friendly" wager?

**BKgen®** · 12-05-2007, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Ruiner

Kari > *

reps for troof!

**VooDooXII** · 12-05-2007, 06:38 PM

December 12th is edging closer and closer.

**Nittanys1** · 12-05-2007, 06:50 PM

nice thanks for the post! I'll be setting a reminder

**speedminded** · 12-05-2007, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by VooDooXII

December 12th is edging closer and closer.

ohh, it is the 12th...i was thinking it was the 10th!

**Alan®** · 12-05-2007, 07:45 PM

i had totally forgot about this ****

**DaX** · 12-06-2007, 08:31 AM

Wow, this thread is huge! I'm going to say no, unless the prop-wash (if it's even a puller and not a pusher) is large enough to create lift on the wing. He could always get going and pin the stick back in his stomach and get the front off the ground, but sustained flight? - I'm going to say nah.

**speedminded** · 12-06-2007, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by DaX

Wow, this thread is huge! I'm going to say no, unless the prop-wash (if it's even a puller and not a pusher) is large enough to create lift on the wing. He could always get going and pin the stick back in his stomach and get the front off the ground, but sustained flight? - I'm going to say nah.

lol @ prop wash. Quite an imagination for someone that can't grasp such a simple concept

It's already been stated the conveyor belt, which is the length of a normal runway, will be rotating towards the plane the SAME speed as the forward motion of the plane correct? Repeat after me, same speed as the FORWARD MOTION of the airplane. That would mean only one thing, the plane is indeed propelling itself forward, if it wasn't then the conveyor wouldn't be moving either...get it?

Now that you've established the plane IS moving forward, as in if you're inside looking out the windows at the nearby trees or buildings they are moving past you...just as if you're driving a car down the highway. Since the plane is moving foward then there is no reason lift is not being created under the wings once the planes gets up to speed. The only effect the conveyor belt underneath will have is the wheels on the plane will be spinning twice as fast as the forward motion of the plane.

The speed of the plane + the speed of the conyer = the speed/RPM's of the wheels. The plane will always remain propelling itself forward exactly the same as any other runway, only the free spinning wheels will be rotating faster.

**Ruiner** · 12-07-2007, 11:21 AM

Oh yes, the time is near. How people cannot grasp this concept is beyond me, though. Oh well...

**Jaimecbr900** · 12-07-2007, 11:24 AM

We should all get together that night somewhere to drink beer and eat some wings while watching the show.

**speedminded** · 12-07-2007, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900

We should all get together that night somewhere to drink beer and eat some wings while watching the show.

I second this proposition

The IA get's schooled meet

**Deke** · 12-07-2007, 11:35 AM

eh **** it, I can't wait for this show so hopefully everyone can stop talking about this dumbass topic.

**Bballjamal** · 12-07-2007, 11:38 AM

Hell, I just wanna see a conveyor belt as long as a runway lol

**DaX** · 12-07-2007, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Bballjamal

Hell, I just wanna see a conveyor belt as long as a runway lol

Yeah, a 2000-5000 foot treadmill? it will be nuts.

Speedminded - if indeed the plane is moving forward WRT the ground and passes the stall speed, then yes, there will be liftoff. I was assuming the plane would be sitting still WRT the earth, but moving WRT the belt. There's no way I'm reading 20+ pages of posts to see what has been discussed before or not.

I'll still stick with my original thought saying NO, just to make it interesting.

**On_Her_Face** · 12-07-2007, 03:47 PM

well ruiner i'm going to make a small bet with you, even though i have never met you.. but 10 dollars to the winner at the next varsity meet. you know my take on this matter

**Ruiner** · 12-07-2007, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by LS2_KID

well ruiner i'm going to make a small bet with you, even though i have never met you.. but 10 dollars to the winner at the next varsity meet. you know my take on this matter

If you want. Honestly, I'd go with my answer if I was you, but that's your call.

**Ruiner** · 12-07-2007, 04:17 PM

For all you doubters:

If they can prove that the plane moves forward on a conveyor belt, would you agree that given a long enough belt, it would take off?

yes or no?

View Poll Results: Will the plane move forward and take off?

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