How much of a man does it make you?

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You and Lucky SC must live in a mythical world where people don't carry guns.

You two just don't get it. I hope the next time one of you gets in a fight someone pulls a gun and shoots you while you are either A) in the middle of pulling yours, or B) holding on to your "honor."

I, on the other hand, prefer to live and not take a chance of some asshat killing me.

people like you irritate the fuck out of me. why the fuck do fights have to end in shootings, are you a complete fucking sociopath?
and lol @ socal being hardcore. 8 years ago i got woken up in the middle of the night by my house jumping off its foundation because a nato plane dropped a bomb ~1km down the road. i grew up in eastern europe you dumb fuck, hardly idealistic(unless warfare, genocide, and bombings get you off). i've had bricks, and pipes taken to my face, and i've had a knife put into me under my right pec(luckily it hit a rib instead of going into my lung), and i still don't "carry". you're the reason people hate america, you're the reason your country has one of the highest gun murder rates in the world(i understand you want to keep yourself safe but you give off the vibe that no matter what if an altercation arises you brandish and shoot). you hope someone shoots me? i hope you're in a prison cell in a year getting sung to sleep by jamal, while he's cock deep in your ass because you decided to let your gun speak for you instead of "taking a chance" against an unarmed douchebag with a big mouth.

like it fucking matters though. i'm not going to change your mind, and you're not going to change mine, so why bother anymore. i'll just say i guess i can see where you're coming from(as you are a product of a diff enviroment. you have to understand, after a history of warfare on our own turf, entire serb population on earth is under 8million, so we do our best to avoid killing each other due to our strong national pride...despite the fact that we stupidly go out after soccer/bball games and beat the everliving fuck out of eachother. but yeah, point being we try to avoid dwindling our numbers even further, and using guns in fights is generally frowned upon). point being, i'll just continue to not carry a gun, and i guess i'll avoid you for the sake of not ending up in a hospital getting bullets removed from my chest, or a mortuary slab.

[Jaimecbr900]

people like you irritate the fuck out of me. why the fuck do fights have to end in shootings, are you a complete fucking sociopath?

You obviously haven't been paying attention neither to this thread nor the news.

It is not "us" that initiate the use of weapons. There are several of us that are saying that we carry BECAUSE there are a gazillion idiots with the Tony Montana and 50 cent attitude that they measure their worth by how many people they try to intimidate. Well, when those types of people cross someone who is not willing to back down easily, what happens? They're NOT going to resort to fist fighting. They will resort to chicken shit methods of pulling out their equalizer. What are you to do? Die? Tuck tail and run? Maybe LET them stab or shoot you? Not me. Sorry. I don't see that as "sociopath" as you and the liberal wusses call it. I call it being PREPARED. There's a BIG difference. Neither Chris, nor Ruiner, nor Ahmorah, nor I go looking for trouble, actually it's probably more like the opposite. So if that's "sociopath", then maybe you should point out where in YOUR encyclopedia we fit that description.

i grew up in eastern europe you dumb fuck, hardly idealistic(unless warfare, genocide, and bombings get you off). i've had bricks, and pipes taken to my face, and i've had a knife put into me under my right pec(luckily it hit a rib instead of going into my lung), and i still don't "carry".

Last time I checked, those were all "weapons". See below.

you're the reason people hate america, you're the reason your country has one of the highest gun murder rates in the world

I guess in your native Serbia they didn't have very good HISTORY books, so I'll tell you the real reason other countries "hate America". They "hate America" because THEY are too chicken shit to take care of THEIR OWN business. We are the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" nation. If we help you get rid of invading countries, we are meddlers. If we don't send "aid" (i.e. handouts), we are stingy. If we don't give you weapons to defend yourself, we are not helping. When we give you weapons to defend yourselves, you use them AGAINST us 10 yrs later.

To be honest and considering that AMERICA came in and saved YOUR country from itself a few years back it amazes me that you would bad mouth it. How do YOU call America violent or uncivilized, yet your country committed GENOCIDE and more than 150,000 people DIED because yall were fighting over.....what???.....land.....differences in race, religion, beliefs..... Yeah, the Eastern European people know nothing about TERRORISM and BOMBING innocent people and killing their own neighbors. You're right. Yall are a MODEL of self-control and show the rest of the world just how it SHOULD be done, right?

The ironic thing is that in the world's theatre they still condemn America for slavery which has been ABOLISHED for over 100 yrs or for being too rich or for not waiting on the entire world's politicians to give us PERMISSION to take care of something THEY fell asleep at the wheel in enforcing, yet other countries like Serbia, Uganda, Iran, Iraq, China, N.Korea, Germany, and most of Europe have committed 100x's the attrocities to THEIR OWN PEOPLE in just the last decade let alone the last 100 yrs. How many times has our gov't ordered mass murders simply because of someone's religion or ethnicity? How many times have we bombed our own people? How many times has ANY other country EVER came to OUR shores to HELP US deal with ANY conflict?

You wanna know the REAL reason some countries "hate" America? Look at HISTORY, not politics. Those same countries that "hate" America not only think it's ok to KILL themselves over stupid shit, but also STILL allow and encourage inequality and mistreatment as a common day affair. Kinda like John Wayne Gasey being a parenting counselor . Those countries that "hate" America should look in the mirror more often. Funny how when they need help when they're getting their asses whupped, who do they call FIRST to help? After the dust settles, who's the FIRST to bad mouth that same country that HELPED when they needed it????

despite the fact that we stupidly go out after soccer/bball games and beat the everliving fuck out of eachother.

Again, yet another example of great self constraint and model for peace.

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You obviously haven't been paying attention neither to this thread nor the news.

It is not "us" that initiate the use of weapons. There are several of us that are saying that we carry BECAUSE there are a gazillion idiots with the Tony Montana and 50 cent attitude that they measure their worth by how many people they try to intimidate. Well, when those types of people cross someone who is not willing to back down easily, what happens? They're NOT going to resort to fist fighting. They will resort to chicken shit methods of pulling out their equalizer. What are you to do? Die? Tuck tail and run? Maybe LET them stab or shoot you? Not me. Sorry. I don't see that as "sociopath" as you and the liberal wusses call it. I call it being PREPARED. There's a BIG difference. Neither Chris, nor Ruiner, nor Ahmorah, nor I go looking for trouble, actually it's probably more like the opposite. So if that's "sociopath", then maybe you should point out where in YOUR encyclopedia we fit that description.







Last time I checked, those were all "weapons". See below.




I guess in your native Serbia they didn't have very good HISTORY books, so I'll tell you the real reason other countries "hate America". They "hate America" because THEY are too chicken shit to take care of THEIR OWN business. We are the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" nation. If we help you get rid of invading countries, we are meddlers. If we don't send "aid" (i.e. handouts), we are stingy. If we don't give you weapons to defend yourself, we are not helping. When we give you weapons to defend yourselves, you use them AGAINST us 10 yrs later.

To be honest and considering that AMERICA came in and saved YOUR country from itself a few years back it amazes me that you would bad mouth it. How do YOU call America violent or uncivilized, yet your country committed GENOCIDE and more than 150,000 people DIED because yall were fighting over.....what???.....land.....differences in race, religion, beliefs..... Yeah, the Eastern European people know nothing about TERRORISM and BOMBING innocent people and killing their own neighbors. You're right. Yall are a MODEL of self-control and show the rest of the world just how it SHOULD be done, right?

The ironic thing is that in the world's theatre they still condemn America for slavery which has been ABOLISHED for over 100 yrs or for being too rich or for not waiting on the entire world's politicians to give us PERMISSION to take care of something THEY fell asleep at the wheel in enforcing, yet other countries like Serbia, Uganda, Iran, Iraq, China, N.Korea, Germany, and most of Europe have committed 100x's the attrocities to THEIR OWN PEOPLE in just the last decade let alone the last 100 yrs. How many times has our gov't ordered mass murders simply because of someone's religion or ethnicity? How many times have we bombed our own people? How many times has ANY other country EVER came to OUR shores to HELP US deal with ANY conflict?

You wanna know the REAL reason some countries "hate" America? Look at HISTORY, not politics. Those same countries that "hate" America not only think it's ok to KILL themselves over stupid shit, but also STILL allow and encourage inequality and mistreatment as a common day affair. Kinda like John Wayne Gasey being a parenting counselor . Those countries that "hate" America should look in the mirror more often. Funny how when they need help when they're getting their asses whupped, who do they call FIRST to help? After the dust settles, who's the FIRST to bad mouth that same country that HELPED when they needed it????





Again, yet another example of great self constraint and model for peace.

Holy shit hit the nail on the head! Jaime's posts are the gospel.

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To be honest and considering that AMERICA came in and saved YOUR country from itself a few years back it amazes me that you would bad mouth it. How do YOU call America violent or uncivilized, yet your country committed GENOCIDE and more than 150,000 people DIED because yall were fighting over.....what???.....land.....differences in race, religion, beliefs..... Yeah, the Eastern European people know nothing about TERRORISM and BOMBING innocent people and killing their own neighbors. You're right. Yall are a MODEL of self-control and show the rest of the world just how it SHOULD be done, right?

we have history books, you just don't have a clue of what the fuck you're talking about. you saved us from ourselves? you bombed the fuck out of us so you could intervene in kosovo to satisfy your own political interests. you keep acting like everyone is savages and you're the zenith of civility. we had more of a reason to attack albania than you ever had to even touch iraq. you saved us from ourselves? my dick, after the u.s. got stationed in kosovo(serbian land.always has been), albanians systematicaly killed off or ran out the remaining serb population while going around burning down thousand year old churches. and now due to you forcing us to get our troops the fuck away, they're hopping our borders stealing 8 year old girls in their sleep and selling them off on the slave market to sexual deviants. thank you so much, mean i really don't know what we could've done without you.
lack of history and innocence hardly, how the fuck can you even say anything like that when you're so blatantly ignorant to the true situation. you've got nothing but propaganda on you. 150,000? less than 15k died in srebrenica, if that's the genocide you're referring to(yeah call it savagery, but you didn't have to deal with half a millenia of muslim oppression so you can't understand our mindset). we went to war over religion. at least we had a reason. why the fuck are you in iraq? as far as the chickenshit comment goes, we were taking care of our business untill you came in and bombed the fuck out of our capital city, and even then we continued untill they threatened to drop thermo-nuclear bombs, and milosevic gave up. jesus christ your post was filled with such idiocy it's astounding. i never said we were the model of self control, if anything we're the model of acting on violent compulsions. we're proud, extremely nationalistic, and violent by nature. but at least we have the decency to practice what we preach. and we're working on fixing our government, but it's somewhat difficult since after you destroyed our nation's capital and removed our previous president you pulled out immediately and left us to deal with YOUR fucking mess(again, thank you for saving us). the way i understand it, you felt you had a valid point in your argument, correct?

for the record, i'm not anti-american, i just hate the patriotic douchebags like yourself for the exact line you stated "we saved you from yourself". it's complete idiocy. you don't save countries you fucking ruin them. and don't say otherwise because you don't fucking know what you're talking about. you don't live in the countries you invade, hell you've probably never been there. how the hell can you expect me to love a country that nearly killed me? however, all in all i'm enjoying myself here, and for the most part, people are cool except the ones who hate on me and where i'm from, but i don't like guns, i don't like people who carry them all the time(because they are just as likely to be unhinged idiots as they are level headed people. plus, people don't think clearly when pissed and a loaded firearm doesn't help), and i don't feel i need one to keep from dying.

and btlfd millions of people are having an easy enough time surviving in america without constantly carrying around a loaded firearm. it's really a very docile place.

[Jaimecbr900]

we have history books, you just don't have a clue of what the fuck you're talking about.

Really? You wanna bet? Let's see.

you saved us from ourselves? you bombed the fuck out of us so you could intervene in kosovo to satisfy your own political interests.

Talk about propaganda.

By saving you from yourselves I meant that the U.S. and in this case U.N. both had to intervene from yall KILLING and TERRORISING yourselves to death. Serbs, Croats, Muslims.....all of you were arguing over BS and killing each other. Right or wrong? Probably wrong in your propaganda book.

BTW, we came at the request of both NATO and the U.N., so if you have a problem you have a problem with them too. But since I haven't seen any of that from your propaganda laden posts, it's obvious just how well informed you are about the FACTS.

you keep acting like everyone is savages and you're the zenith of civility.

Often times that is absolutely correct. Look up and see how many times the U.S. has committed genocide. Look up how many times we've bombed our own people. Look up how many times they've dug up mass graves on U.S. soil. Look and see how many times we advocate brutality against our own citizens. Each one of those has a country/government responsible for it in the last few years. How barbaric is that? How civilized is that? So I'm not giving any excuses for calling a spade a spade. If the truth hurts, tough shit.

we had more of a reason to attack albania than you ever had to even touch iraq.

Really? What "reason" is that? Did Albania betray a peace treaty? Did Albania bomb innocent citizens? Did Albania support organized terrorism against anyone? Exactly what is that magic reason you have????

you saved us from ourselves? my dick, after the u.s. got stationed in kosovo(serbian land.always has been), albanians systematicaly killed off or ran out the remaining serb population while going around burning down thousand year old churches. and now due to you forcing us to get our troops the fuck away, they're hopping our borders stealing 8 year old girls in their sleep and selling them off on the slave market to sexual deviants. thank you so much, mean i really don't know what we could've done without you.

I explained already how you were saved from yourselves above.

lack of history and innocence hardly, how the fuck can you even say anything like that when you're so blatantly ignorant to the true situation. you've got nothing but propaganda on you. 150,000? less than 15k died in srebrenica, if that's the genocide you're referring to(yeah call it savagery, but you didn't have to deal with half a millenia of muslim oppression so you can't understand our mindset).

Wow, you are truly ignorant.

I guess that we should all go and dig up whatever pissed off our ancestors and settle those debts TODAY, huh??? That is the most moronic and archaeic thing you've said so far. "Oppression" from what exactly? When it was the SERBS that attacked the MUSLIMS and as a matter of fact MURDERED 8,000 UNARMED MUSLIMS in Srebrenica as a part of Mladic and Karadzic's "ethnic cleansing" campaign for an all "serb occupied" region.

In other words, they ordered and killed THOUSANDS of people all in the name of "this is MY land and I only want MY KIND of people here because I said so..." You are exactly right, that is an outstanding REASON to KILL people. I know exactly what your "mindset" is. It is let me do whatever the hell I want, but when I need help give it to me.

As a matter of fact, there are a few Serbian "leaders" that are still being sought to be punished for WAR CRIMES. Hmmm, so they got blamed for WAR CRIMES by the rest of the world and yet they were "justified" in YOUR book???? I guess you also believe HITLER was justified too, huh? When was the last time ANY U.S. person was accused, let alone convicted, of WAR CRIMES????? Look that up to while you're learning something new.

we went to war over religion. at least we had a reason. why the fuck are you in iraq?

Wow, so that's the magic bullet you're holding on to? Religion? So what, the Muslims were KILLING people for practicing another religion? Wait, maybe they were imposing you to have to pray 5 times a day? What exactly was that religious fight over?

As for Iraq, I don't expect you to have a clue as to why Iraq is what it is since you can't even figure out why your own country had a cluster fuck in it's own backyard for 4 yrs.

as far as the chickenshit comment goes, we were taking care of our business untill you came in and bombed the fuck out of our capital city, and even then we continued untill they threatened to drop thermo-nuclear bombs, and milosevic gave up.

If by taking care of business you mean terrorism and genocide, then yes it was being taken care of.....

i never said we were the model of self control, if anything we're the model of acting on violent compulsions. we're proud, extremely nationalistic, and violent by nature. but at least we have the decency to practice what we preach.

So if you're violent compulsive actor who is violent by nature, why should anyone listen to you when it comes to foreign policy?

BTW, when the U.S. bombs people by U.N. mandate or makes another country DO what it had already AGREED to do decades ago yet the U.N. was too chicken shit to enforce, it gets called bad and barbaric. How come you feel that bombing your own people whenever you felt the need "OK" and "practicing what you preach", yet when we do it it's not???? Answer that.

and we're working on fixing our government, but it's somewhat difficult since after you destroyed our nation's capital and removed our previous president you pulled out immediately and left us to deal with YOUR fucking mess(again, thank you for saving us). the way i understand it, you felt you had a valid point in your argument, correct?

Your gov't problems have nothing to do with bricks and mortar and a whole hellva lot to do with corruption.

The Serbian gov't has knowingly harbored Mladic for over 10 yrs.

When Milosevic was in charge the whole idea was to set up borders where only SERBS could be and that's what began all the conflict in the first place.

for the record, i'm not anti-american, i just hate the patriotic douchebags like yourself for the exact line you stated "we saved you from yourself". it's complete idiocy. you don't save countries you fucking ruin them. and don't say otherwise because you don't fucking know what you're talking about. you don't live in the countries you invade, hell you've probably never been there. how the hell can you expect me to love a country that nearly killed me?

Hello Mr. Contradiction.

And BTW, doesn't your permit to be here have an expiration date??? Well then, you've got that luxury.....to bad mouth a country that ALLOWS you to come eventhough you openly don't support it......how nice is that? I wonder if YOUR country is like that???? Ohhhh, wait......according to you the 4 yr war was over RELIGION......so if I don't have your same RELIGION as whomever is in charge I get MURDERED........Ahhhhh, I see.

So let's get this straight: The U.S. is terrible because ALLOW people like you IN, yet YOUR country is sooo much better because they KILL people that don't practice a certain RELIGION......Hmmmmm, let me think about that for a minute.......

however, all in all i'm enjoying myself here, and for the most part, people are cool except the ones who hate on me and where i'm from,

In your country that could be a death sentence though.....

but i don't like guns, i don't like people who carry them all the time(because they are just as likely to be unhinged idiots as they are level headed people. plus, people don't think clearly when pissed and a loaded firearm doesn't help), and i don't feel i need one to keep from dying.

Well, this "unhinged idiot" had his background thoroughly checked and awarded in the form of a CCW permit.

How many people have driver's licenses? How many people die every DAY from traffic accidents caused by drunk or derranged or unexperienced or just merely deppressed drivers?????? 1 million times more than die because a LAW ABIDING CITIZEN used a weapon in self defense.

So you can keep tree hugging all you want, and I'll keep my .357 or .45 or .40 or 9mm or .38 or .380 or (I could do this all day you know!!) at my side for whenever I deem necessary. Got a problem with that? Tough shit.

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By saving you from yourselves I meant that the U.S. and in this case U.N. both had to intervene from yall KILLING and TERRORISING yourselves to death. Serbs, Croats, Muslims.....all of you were arguing over BS and killing each other. Right or wrong? Probably wrong in your propaganda book.

serbia is not the same as croatia, and islam is a religion not a nation, so i fail to see how you were saving SERBIA from SERBIA. you were saving albanians from serbians

BTW, we came at the request of both NATO and the U.N., so if you have a problem you have a problem with them too. But since I haven't seen any of that from your propaganda laden posts, it's obvious just how well informed you are about the FACTS.

my facts aren't propaganda laden, your facts are just nearly nonexistant. you ever wonder why the u.s. got involved in our issue when there's tons of genocides to worry about? you ever wonder why it was barely broadcast on the media? it wasn't a liberation or peacekeeping organization like they're trying to play off in iraq, it was a fucking 'we get what we want' situation. america wanted to build a military base in kosovo and to gain rights to our airspace. milosevic told clinton to go fuck himself(quite literally). clinton used the first chance he got to intervene and get what he wanted. you dont' give a fuck about albanians, and you certainly don't give a fuck about the bosnians in srebrenica(or you wouldve done something 10 years ago), you just wanted to build a base in an ideal location through any means necessary.

Often times that is absolutely correct. Look up and see how many times the U.S. has committed genocide. Look up how many times we've bombed our own people. Look up how many times they've dug up mass graves on U.S. soil. Look and see how many times we advocate brutality against our own citizens. Each one of those has a country/government responsible for it in the last few years. How barbaric is that? How civilized is that? So I'm not giving any excuses for calling a spade a spade. If the truth hurts, tough shit.

only srebrenica applies to serbia, it was a decade ago, and it has nothing to do with the bombing in 99(which is what i'm referring to). plus, your government is uncomparably better than ours at covering up conspiracies and the like. i'm sure your government is guilty of war crimes as much as any other country is, difference is, you're too good at covering your tracks.

Really? What "reason" is that? Did Albania betray a peace treaty? Did Albania bomb innocent citizens? Did Albania support organized terrorism against anyone? Exactly what is that magic reason you have????

you act as if albanians are innocent pawns we were picking on. they killed our people and we fought back, albanians were killing serbs every chance they got over there. in addition to the whole kidnapping 8 year olds to sell on the sexual slave trade. are you literate? it was a battle on our own turf. they killed our people. just like osama's bombers killed yours.

I explained already how you were saved from yourselves above.

YES PROUD AMERICAN! YOU SAVED SERBIA FROM SERBIAN TERRORISM BY MEANS OF TERRORISM!! you retarded fuck you didn't save us from ourselves, you saved albania from us. you have such a brainwashed patriot attitude you flat out refuse to admit any flaws in your country's foreign policy. i lived there, i'd fucking know better than you whether you 'saved' us, and you fucking didn't. you didn't even try, and you couldn't, because serbs weren't the ones in need of rescue; the rest of the balkans were. don't talk like you know anything about my country when it's painfuly apparent you know next to nothing.

I guess that we should all go and dig up whatever pissed off our ancestors and settle those debts TODAY, huh??? That is the most moronic and archaeic thing you've said so far. "Oppression" from what exactly? When it was the SERBS that attacked the MUSLIMS and as a matter of fact MURDERED 8,000 UNARMED MUSLIMS in Srebrenica as a part of Mladic and Karadzic's "ethnic cleansing" campaign for an all "serb occupied" region.

opression from turkish muslims for most of our history. hint: serbia's history doesn't consist of the last 15 FUCKING YEARS. and they weren't all unarmed.

In other words, they ordered and killed THOUSANDS of people all in the name of "this is MY land and I only want MY KIND of people here because I said so..." You are exactly right, that is an outstanding REASON to KILL people. I know exactly what your "mindset" is. It is let me do whatever the hell I want, but when I need help give it to me.

the fuck are you talking about. give us help? milosevic told all of your officials to go fuck themselves. hardly a cry for help.

As a matter of fact, there are a few Serbian "leaders" that are still being sought to be punished for WAR CRIMES. Hmmm, so they got blamed for WAR CRIMES by the rest of the world and yet they were "justified" in YOUR book???? I guess you also believe HITLER was justified too, huh? When was the last time ANY U.S. person was accused, let alone convicted, of WAR CRIMES????? Look that up to while you're learning something new.

DO I SEEM MORE CLEVER NOW!?!
america is the most powerful country in the world, and the leader of western civilization, who the FUCk is going to accuse them of anything? plus, as i said before, your government is flawless at covering up it's dirty business, so there's nothing to go on. as far as hitler goes, don't even, dickweed, he's the reason an entire generation of serbs were wiped out in wwii.

Wow, so that's the magic bullet you're holding on to? Religion? So what, the Muslims were KILLING people for practicing another religion? Wait, maybe they were imposing you to have to pray 5 times a day? What exactly was that religious fight over?

did 9/11 not drill the whole "muslims kill for religion" issue into your head enough? you make this sarcastic comment when you know for a fact it's true. you'd have to be skullfucked with a pneumatic drill to not realize muslims kill for religion.

As for Iraq, I don't expect you to have a clue as to why Iraq is what it is since you can't even figure out why your own country had a cluster fuck in it's own backyard for 4 yrs.

my country had a "cluster fuck" in the area for much longer than four years, and i know exactly why. nationalistic pride and religion. i said mine, now if you'd be so kind as to iterate why your country is in iraq? to liberate the people there? nuclear weapons(that were never found)?

If by taking care of business you mean terrorism and genocide, then yes it was being taken care of.....

what the fuck are you talking about? i thought i made the situation clear in my last post, but apparently comprehension isn't your strong point.
first, srebrenica was resolved a decade ago, and second you flipped the fucking books. you just left tens of thosuands of serbs defenseless at the mercy of albanians who went and systematically tried to kill all of them. repeat YOU ALLOWED ALBANIANS TO ENACT GENOCIDE ON SERBS(if necessary i'll repeat again). america doesn't give a fuck about serbia or albania or bosnia or muslims or orthodox christians. if you really were set out to save serbia from itself why did you just remove our president and get teh fuck out with minimal media coverage? why didn't you stick around and help us solidify our government like you're trying to do in iraq(my ass). because iraq has oil, and we don't have shit. you took kosovo from us, and you had your land for your military base, so you got the fuck out with what you needed, happy ending. and then you turn a blind eye. genocide is still going over there, warfare is still going over there. you didn't resolve a single fucking thing except acquire land and airspace.

So if you're violent compulsive actor who is violent by nature, why should anyone listen to you when it comes to foreign policy?

i never said anyone should listen to me concerning foreign policy, but you clearly know nothing about what happened over there and why. and why would your government tell you anyways? you ever watch spanish, french, german news? i'll stragiht up tell you that their news is way more factualy correct than yours. america is pro at spinning news stories.

BTW, when the U.S. bombs people by U.N. mandate or makes another country DO what it had already AGREED to do decades ago yet the U.N. was too chicken shit to enforce, it gets called bad and barbaric. How come you feel that bombing your own people whenever you felt the need "OK" and "practicing what you preach", yet when we do it it's not???? Answer that.

BECAUSE WE NEVER BOMBED OUR OWN FUCKING PEOPLE. THEY ARE DIFFERENT COUNTRIES, DIFFERENT ETHNICITIES, DIFFERENT RELIGIONS. AMERICA IS NOT THE SAME AS CANADA, SERBIA IS NOT THE SAME AS ALBANIA. GOD HOW FUCKING STUPID ARE YOU.

Your gov't problems have nothing to do with bricks and mortar and a whole hellva lot to do with corruption.

and yours is perfect. right.

The Serbian gov't has knowingly harbored Mladic for over 10 yrs.

yea.

When Milosevic was in charge the whole idea was to set up borders where only SERBS could be and that's what began all the conflict in the first place.

serbia had issues with croats and albanians long before milosevic ever took power. his policies only somewhat escalated the issue. if he'd acted quicker and less clumsily, as well as cooperated with america and gave them what they wanted, the bombing never would've occured.

And BTW, doesn't your permit to be here have an expiration date??? Well then, you've got that luxury.....to bad mouth a country that ALLOWS you to come eventhough you openly don't support it......how nice is that? I wonder if YOUR country is like that???? Ohhhh, wait......according to you the 4 yr war was over RELIGION......so if I don't have your same RELIGION as whomever is in charge I get MURDERED........Ahhhhh, I see.

yeah except america prides itself on allowing me to criticize it. serbia isn't like that.

So let's get this straight: The U.S. is terrible because ALLOW people like you IN, yet YOUR country is sooo much better because they KILL people that don't practice a certain RELIGION......Hmmmmm, let me think about that for a minute.......

like me? suddenly because i argue on the internet i'm a threat to society? fuck you, at least i don't walk around saying i'll shoot people if they try to fight me because it'll give me the advantage! win no matter what! fucking douche.

In your country that could be a death sentence though.....

my country that you've never been in and know next to nothing about. okay.

Well, this "unhinged idiot" had his background thoroughly checked and awarded in the form of a CCW permit.

re-read what i said. the "AS LIKELY TO BE a AS THEY ARE b" a being normal, b being unhinged. in addition to stating that when pissed off, people are more likely to do stupid things.

How many people have driver's licenses? How many people die every DAY from traffic accidents caused by drunk or derranged or unexperienced or just merely deppressed drivers?????? 1 million times more than die because a LAW ABIDING CITIZEN used a weapon in self defense.

the fuck? you're comparing two completely irrelevant statistics.

So you can keep tree hugging all you want, and I'll keep my .357 or .45 or .40 or 9mm or .38 or .380 or (I could do this all day you know!!) at my side for whenever I deem necessary. Got a problem with that? Tough shit.

so anyone who doesn't like shooting people is a tree hugger? aren't you a macho motherfucker! you have a gun! the vast majority get through life without ever using or owning a firearm, and the majority of the people who own them never had to use them in self defense. i think it's stupid. and it'll be tough for you to shit when you're getting analy molested in the showers because a judge didn't feel your 'self defense' case was strong enough. i wouldn't mind takng a gun to the range, i just wouldn't carry one around.

and as far as the contradiction comment, hardly. i don't like your government and it's foreign policies. i don't like brainwashed overbearing patriots like yourself who refuse to admit their flaws(at least i admit i'm biased, and i admit my flaws and my country's flaws. you act as if yours is perfect), and i don't like people who feel the need to carry guns around all the time. that's hardly everyone. the majority of my friends are americans, they're just not complete fuckwits like yourself.

and keep carrying your whateverthefuckgun(o pls keep doing it all day !!) you chose, i have no bearing on your decisions, but hey, it's america, so i have a fundimental right to criticize you.(added smileys because i feel it adds a cool and witty edge to whatever i say)

p.s. i read ruiners post and i actualy appreciate his mindset. but you just seem as hot-headed as me, and isn't a quality that someone who constantly carries a loaded gun should have.

[Jaimecbr900]

serbia is not the same as croatia, and islam is a religion not a nation, so i fail to see how you were saving SERBIA from SERBIA. you were saving albanians from serbians

You're an idiot.

It was the exact same before the turn of the century when suddenly the SERBS decided to divy up the land and left MILLIONS of ALBANIANS out of what was then their land and thereby MADE them live under SERBIAN rule you dumbass. So let's see....if the U.S. suddenly decided to split, then one side decided to bomb the other for whatever reason......are they bombing themselves or did one side suddenly become more "American" than the other......THEY WOULD BOTH BE AMERICAN YOU IDIOT. You don't lose where you came from just because someone decided to put up a fence yesterday.

Point out where I said that Islam was a nation you moron. Point it out. You can't because I didn't. I said Muslims. And if you're pride comes come from fighting over "religion", you and all the other idiots that do it are assenine.

my facts aren't propaganda laden,

Yes they are.

your facts are just nearly nonexistant.

you ever wonder why the u.s. got involved in our issue when there's tons of genocides to worry about? you ever wonder why it was barely broadcast on the media? it wasn't a liberation or peacekeeping organization like they're trying to play off in iraq, it was a fucking 'we get what we want' situation. america wanted to build a military base in kosovo and to gain rights to our airspace. milosevic told clinton to go fuck himself(quite literally). clinton used the first chance he got to intervene and get what he wanted. you dont' give a fuck about albanians, and you certainly don't give a fuck about the bosnians in srebrenica(or you wouldve done something 10 years ago), you just wanted to build a base in an ideal location through any means necessary.

There's always an agenda you jackass. You're a moron if you think there are no fringe benefits to engaging in any conflict. The question is are those benefits that may come after a benefit worth fighting for. Maybe yes, maybe no. But since when do YOU ever fight for anything unless you think you'll get something out of it. Duh!!!

only srebrenica applies to serbia, it was a decade ago, and it has nothing to do with the bombing in 99(which is what i'm referring to).

How sweet....did you forget about 91-95??? How convinient. Again, you fall back on your ass saying you're not about propaganda, yet all you look at is YOUR purpose and YOUR chain of events and YOUR timeline. What? 91-95 DIDN'T happen at all? Your precious country didn't set out to have an all Serb region thru "ethnic cleansing"?????

It did happen you idiot. YOUR precious REBEL leaders killed people...innocent non-armed people....simply because they were a different religion or a different color or a different anything. THAT is why they were convicted of WAR CRIMES just like HITLER and his henchmen. You can tip toe around it and ignore the 800lb Gorilla in the room, but those are THE FACTS. How many Albanian or Muslim leaders got convicted of WAR CRIMES again??? NONE. Ever wonder why? Probably not.

plus, your government is uncomparably better than ours at covering up conspiracies and the like. i'm sure your government is guilty of war crimes as much as any other country is, difference is, you're too good at covering your tracks.

:jerkit: Cry me a fucking river. That's the war cry of every whiny and sissyfied country in the world. Can you please come up with something more original....like we're in Iraq for oil or something?????

it was a battle on our own turf. they killed our people. just like osama's bombers killed yours.

Yet you try and call ME illiterate????

In one sentence you say that the fight was a fight in "your own turf", yet in another paragraph you say that it was a bunch of different countries and religions and people fighting so it wasn't "killing yourselves" as I put it.

Make up your damn mind. You can't have it both ways.

See, this is the mentality of most of the world including your country. All of you are inbred to think that if it looks different than you or prays different than you or doesn't agree with you or walks on this side of the line you drew in the sandbox that those are fighting words. Look at how you nimrods act at stupid ass soccer games. Fighting over what? Half these stupid ass wars and battles are over the same thing dumbass STREET gangs fight over here in the U.S.......turf....hurt feelings.....disrespect......dick size.....It's gay here and it's gay there. You want to call it "national pride" yet all it is you wanting to get what YOU want the way YOU want it.

YES PROUD AMERICAN! YOU SAVED SERBIA FROM SERBIAN TERRORISM BY MEANS OF TERRORISM!! you retarded fuck you didn't save us from ourselves, you saved albania from us.

Boy, you have Albania stuck so far up in your ass you can't see the forest for the trees.

you have such a brainwashed patriot attitude you flat out refuse to admit any flaws in your country's foreign policy. i lived there, i'd fucking know better than you whether you 'saved' us, and you fucking didn't. you didn't even try, and you couldn't, because serbs weren't the ones in need of rescue; the rest of the balkans were. don't talk like you know anything about my country when it's painfuly apparent you know next to nothing.

Really, I'm the one that doesn't know shit? Well, it seems like YOU are the one that doesn't even know you're own history.

Somewhere around 1912 or 1913, the old Ottoman Empire died out and everybody from Greece to Italy to Turkey started fighting for their own territory. In 1912, ALBANIA declared it's own independence with the help of the Austrians, but when the powers that be (including the SERBS) claimed land, it left MILLIONS of ALBANIANS on the wrong side of the line.....i.e. SERBIAN territory.

In 1914, SERBIA was invaded by the Austrians. Yall retreated all the way to the sea where the ALLIES saved your hides yet again by them helping you evacuate. After this the ENTIRE AREA became YUGOSLAVIA (hence all of YOU became ONE COUNTRY YOU IDIOT) which was made up of......drum roll please.....SERBS, Croats, and Slovenes....but there were also ALBANIANS that remained yet they weren't considered anything but an ethnic MINORITY. So let's recap really quick shall we.....Everybody got a piece of the pie but the Albanians eventhough they were just as much a part of the old Ottoman Empire as the SERBS and Croatians.......Hmmmm, how's that work again????

Let's continue with today's lesson, shall we?....

In 1946 when Yugoslavia adopted it's constitution, it named the Albanians not as a nation but as a national MINORITY. The then gov't imposed terrible policies against the "minorities" which were enforced by the UDBA or secret police. Rankovic and Kardelj realized that Yugoslavia was going to get torn apart if they didn't give out a token somewhere back to the Albanians. They promised KOSOVO to them and then DIDN'T give it up because they said that suddenly SERBS wouldn't be able to accept it.

So to catch everybody up: Yugoslavia was made up of a bunch of people that only a few years earlier where all ONE entity. Now everybody divided up pieces of the pie and left one group out. In order to pacify that group, they promised KOSOVO and then didn't do it.

Let's keep going......

Fast forward to 1966 when Rankovic lost his power. Now the Albanians started getting the upper hand and started trying to reclaim Kosovo, which should have been theirs in the first place, and expelling the SERBS out of Kosovo. This is where the real friction started. Kosovo was very poor and the SERBS driven by both starvation and the fact that Albanians were now no longer the MINORITY in Kosovo, started moving out of Kosovo in droves. This is where the SERBS started saying that there was "ethnic cleansing" going on, yet they weren't being systematically killed by the Albanians. They were merely trying to reclaim what was promised to them 20 yrs earlier.

This is how Milosevic got his foot in the door to become the President of Serbia in the 80's. He used that platform of "the Albanians used ethnic cleansing on us to get us out of Kosovo so I'm going to do it to them to get it back" to get people behind his movement. This movement was HIGHLY criticized and warned against by U.N. and Human Rights groups. He didn't give a shit. He kept systematically driving Albanians out of Kosovo, until the KLA was formed to fight him back. In 1999 after all the fighting back and forth killed a bunch of people, the U.N. stepped in with the aid of NATO to get the SERBS out of Kosovo.

After that they have been fighting back and forth with both sides using Terrorist type warfare on each other.

So to summarize: Yall were once brothers, then enemies, and all of it was over what????? Land....differences in religion.....different ethnicities.....somebody's dick was bigger than yours????.......All EXCELLENT reasons to kill each other, don't you think?

Let's think about that for a minute: How's that much different than Hitler's "ethnic cleansing" of Europe and his attempt to conquer the whole world? He believed it all belonged to him because of his ancestry. He believed only one race of people were pure and right. He killed thousands, maybe millions of people HE deemed bad and different. Sounds like a broken record to me. The only thing you gotta change is the title. Now-a-days you can insert Radical Muslims, Radical Whites, Radical Blacks, Radical communists....yet it's all the same damn song......I'm better than you so I'm gonna kill YOU......Isn't that stupid?

opression from turkish muslims for most of our history. hint: serbia's history doesn't consist of the last 15 FUCKING YEARS. and they weren't all unarmed.

I just proved to you above that I know my history. Problem is that you obviously don't.

the fuck are you talking about. give us help? milosevic told all of your officials to go fuck themselves. hardly a cry for help.

You still don't get it. The whole damn country was killing each other. The U.N., NATO led by the U.S. like always came in and got yall to quit. It took some bombs and some people getting killed, but how many were being killed already by both sides anyway. What would've happened otherwise? Look at what happened when Hitler was left unchecked to do what HE wanted to in HIS country. WWII is what happened.

And BTW, the reason the SERBS and Milosevic got their asses whupped was exactly that.....Milosevic told everybody to fuck off. I guess he's glad he did that now, huh?

DO I SEEM MORE CLEVER NOW!?!

Not at all actually.

america is the most powerful country in the world, and the leader of western civilization

I'm glad you finally realize that.

who the FUCk is going to accuse them of anything?

Ummm, Queer ass France.....Chicken Shit U.N......the entire damn world has and still does every damn time as a matter of fact.

This is why I said in the beginning that we are a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" country. We are the red headed step child of the world. Everytime we are asked for aid, it's given yet it pisses off somebody else. You can't ever win with some countries. When YOU got overrun by the Nazis.....WHO came to your rescue???? How quickly we forget, huh? Were it not for the ALLIES your precious country would be speaking German now and wearing nifty swastika patches on your arms.

did 9/11 not drill the whole "muslims kill for religion" issue into your head enough? you make this sarcastic comment when you know for a fact it's true. you'd have to be skullfucked with a pneumatic drill to not realize muslims kill for religion.

Yet you don't see "us" going berzerk making ALL Muslims go to concentration camps and killing them, right? Why is that? You don't see anyone getting bombed on our own soil just because they're Muslim, right? You don't see people getting beaten on the street because they're Muslim, right? Why is that if according to you that's the way to handle things?

my country had a "cluster fuck" in the area for much longer than four years, and i know exactly why. nationalistic pride and religion.

I guess you can call the history lesson I gave you up above "pride and religion".....whatever you wanna call it, it's still the same BS. Yall had a cluster fuck because you couldn't resolve your own country's differences without resorting to killing each other. THAT is why an argument turned into a cluster fuck.

i said mine, now if you'd be so kind as to iterate why your country is in iraq? to liberate the people there? nuclear weapons(that were never found)?

Why do you keep comparing apples to jumbo jets?

Show me where U.S. forces are just massacring all Muslims they see. Show me where the U.S. didn't give them warning after warning after warning to ABIDE by something they signed 10 yrs earlier as a part of their SURRENDER. Show me where even the U.N. was complaining that it's inspectors weren't allowed in, yet didn't wanna do anything about it. Show me where Saddam was any positive or productive addition to humanity. Go see where 90% of the people in Iraq are happy to be rid of the Hussein regime, yet the media makes it out to be like it's the other way around.

In Iraq, the U.S. and a couple of it's allies went in by themselves.

In Kosovo, the U.S. and it's allies went in with the full backing of the U.N. and Nato.

Just how are the two even remotely similar?

first, srebrenica was resolved a decade ago,

By resolved you mean that Milosevic came in and took over? Or are you talking about sweeping it under the rug?

i never said anyone should listen to me concerning foreign policy

Then STFU, simple. You came into a discussion that had nothing to do with "your country" and you managed to insert that tidbit in there. I merely responded and will keep responding until you STFU or they lock this thread.

but you clearly know nothing about what happened over there and why.

Really? I took your ass to school up above and showed you how yall are a bunch of retards just like the rest of the retards of the world that fight over stupid shit.

america is pro at spinning news stories.

I'll have to agree with you on that though. Media here is very biased. Good thing that's not the only place I get my news from.....

BECAUSE WE NEVER BOMBED OUR OWN FUCKING PEOPLE. THEY ARE DIFFERENT COUNTRIES, DIFFERENT ETHNICITIES, DIFFERENT RELIGIONS. AMERICA IS NOT THE SAME AS CANADA, SERBIA IS NOT THE SAME AS ALBANIA. GOD HOW FUCKING STUPID ARE YOU.

Don't argue with me numbnuts....argue with Webster and the encyclopedia people.

You WERE a single country until all of you started fighting to split it up. Just because you put up a fence between yourselves where there was no fence 10 mins ago doesn't automatically make you "different". Bottomline is that yall were fighting over stupid shit and killing each other. Somebody had to come and stop yall from that. What else needs to be said?

and yours is perfect. right.

Atleast we don't have to worry about getting....how'd you put it?....."rocked from our sleep from a bomb being dropped less than a km away".....

serbia had issues with croats and albanians long before milosevic ever took power. his policies only somewhat escalated the issue. if he'd acted quicker and less clumsily, as well as cooperated with america and gave them what they wanted, the bombing never would've occured.

The first and only statement that I have agreed with you 100% on. Very good. See, you can put a coherent and semi-intelligent sentence together.

yeah except america prides itself on allowing me to criticize it. serbia isn't like that.

Which makes them better how????

like me? suddenly because i argue on the internet i'm a threat to society? fuck you, at least i don't walk around saying i'll shoot people if they try to fight me because it'll give me the advantage! win no matter what! fucking douche.

I'm a douche because I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6??? Then a douche I shall be.

my country that you've never been in and know next to nothing about. okay.

I know enough not to ever WANT to go there. Can you say the same about mine?...... you can't.

in addition to stating that when pissed off, people are more likely to do stupid things.

Wow, 2 statements that I agree with you on.......wow, someone write that down on a piece of paper somewhere because I'm sure it won't happen again....

the fuck? you're comparing two completely irrelevant statistics.

It's called an analogy you imbecillic excuse of a half-brained person.

I was making the point, which obviously went wayyyy over YOUR head, that far more people die at the hands of careless drivers every day than do at the hands of responsible law abiding CCW carrying citizens. BOTH carry permits/licenses issued by the gov't to give them permission to do something. BOTH have to be permitted to do something by the gov't. Yet only ONE is under scrutiny by the moronic public at large, such as yourself, who believe that GUNS kills people. GUNS are inanimate you idiots. Cars are inanimate. The responsability lies on whomever is driving either, yet I don't see anyone making picket signs or calling for banning anyone from driving. THAT was the point that obviously eluded your brain.

so anyone who doesn't like shooting people is a tree hugger?

No just you.

aren't you a macho motherfucker!

Most of the time, yes.

you have a gun!

I have MANY. What's your point?

the vast majority get through life without ever using or owning a firearm,

Good for them.

and the majority of the people who own them never had to use them in self defense.

Holly shit!!! This makes it a record 3rd time I've agreed with you in a single post......alert the media.

i think it's stupid.

If your opinion mattered to me, I'd be hurting right now.

and it'll be tough for you to shit when you're getting analy molested in the showers because a judge didn't feel your 'self defense' case was strong enough.

You know this from experience????

i wouldn't mind takng a gun to the range, i just wouldn't carry one around.

And since you're in the good ole U.S. of A. you have that luxury afforded to you. How terrible is this country again?

and as far as the contradiction comment, hardly. i don't like your government and it's foreign policies.

Then you have the CHOICE and OPPORTUNITY to exit stage left when your Visa expires.

[Jaimecbr900]

I'll cut and paste from my reply since it would only allow 20000 characters at a time......

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i don't like brainwashed overbearing patriots like yourself who refuse to admit their flaws(at least i admit i'm biased, and i admit my flaws and my country's flaws. you act as if yours is perfect),

And I don't like leeches who come to this country seeking the liberties and opportunities they can't get elsewhere, yet take every opportunity they have to bad mouth that same hand that feeds them.

and i don't like people who feel the need to carry guns around all the time. that's hardly everyone. the majority of my friends are americans, they're just not complete fuckwits like yourself.

Again, when your opinion matters to me, that will hurt my feelings. Until then, I don't give a flying dutchman fuck what YOU think of me or what I carry or what I do with what I carry or how long the turd that looks just like you is. Is that clear enough for you? If not, let me know and I'll have my 7 yr old son type up something more along your comprehension level.

and keep carrying your whateverthefuckgun(o pls keep doing it all day !!)

Thanks for the permission.

i have no bearing on your decisions,

I'm glad you've finally come to that realization.

but hey, it's america, so i have a fundimental right to criticize you.

A right afforded to you by those same guys and gals that bombed the shit out of you a few years back. Isn't that cool???

p.s. i read ruiners post and i actualy appreciate his mindset.

I like Ruiner's mindset often. He's a good guy.

but you just seem as hot-headed as me, and isn't a quality that someone who constantly carries a loaded gun should have.

Well then I guess you should STFU since I may just go all postal according to you.

You don't know shit about shit, including me. Don't think you know anything about me from this little debate of ours except I don't buy into your BS and I don't roll over and play dead just because you felt a bomb near your house. You don't know where I came from or what I've seen, done, or was ever involved in. Just like Chris, Ruiner, Ahmorah, and the rest of the people you are sitting here claiming shouldn't be prepared, you don't know them either.

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people like you irritate the fuck out of me. why the fuck do fights have to end in shootings, are you a complete fucking sociopath?
and lol @ socal being hardcore. 8 years ago i got woken up in the middle of the night by my house jumping off its foundation because a nato plane dropped a bomb ~1km down the road. i grew up in eastern europe you dumb fuck, hardly idealistic(unless warfare, genocide, and bombings get you off). i've had bricks, and pipes taken to my face, and i've had a knife put into me under my right pec(luckily it hit a rib instead of going into my lung), and i still don't "carry". you're the reason people hate america, you're the reason your country has one of the highest gun murder rates in the world(i understand you want to keep yourself safe but you give off the vibe that no matter what if an altercation arises you brandish and shoot). you hope someone shoots me? i hope you're in a prison cell in a year getting sung to sleep by jamal, while he's cock deep in your ass because you decided to let your gun speak for you instead of "taking a chance" against an unarmed douchebag with a big mouth.

like it fucking matters though. i'm not going to change your mind, and you're not going to change mine, so why bother anymore. i'll just say i guess i can see where you're coming from(as you are a product of a diff enviroment. you have to understand, after a history of warfare on our own turf, entire serb population on earth is under 8million, so we do our best to avoid killing each other due to our strong national pride...despite the fact that we stupidly go out after soccer/bball games and beat the everliving fuck out of eachother. but yeah, point being we try to avoid dwindling our numbers even further, and using guns in fights is generally frowned upon). point being, i'll just continue to not carry a gun, and i guess i'll avoid you for the sake of not ending up in a hospital getting bullets removed from my chest, or a mortuary slab.

Dumb fuck? So because you grew up in europe you are harder and cooler than anyone else? Oh, gee, my bad.

Have fun surviving in the US.