So, parading the victims of a crime around on the political campaign to endorse restrictions put on other law abiding citizens who were not involved in the particular crime being used as an example, is not an emotional embellishment....Originally Posted by .blank cd
Noted.
And you seem surprised that everyone thinks you're a moron.
Blank, what is a partial birth abortion? and in your opinion, at what point is a fetus alive?
Or...you know....not an idiot
Lets see if I can put this into terms you can understand. I'll use emotional embellishments...
If a baby dies inside its mothers womb on the 20th week of pregnancy, what would you call the procedure to remove it?
If you can't understand the difference between the two conversations, maybe you shouldn't be posting in here.
because that's how it usually happens......
If you cant see past your self convoluted fantasy world, maybe you shouldnt be posting here.
A partial birth abortion is a political term used to describe the procedure to remove a fetus from the womb in late pregnancy. The term medical professionals use is "intact dilation and extraction"
And at what point is a fetus alive? When a medical professional does an intact dilation and extraction, is the fetus dead? does it die during the procedure? if so? why does it die? is it natural or is the death a direct cause of the medical professional's action?
IDX's represent less than .02% of all abortions. So how do they usually happen?
How do they usually happen??
usually by a chain of events beginning with a young girl saying "im not ready to have a baby"
Also...... i'm curious........
How many abortions happen because of rape/incest?
also...... how many abortions actually happen because of medical complications?
I'm just gonna throw a guess out there.......
rape/incest - 1%
Medical complications - 6%
So.......
Assault rifles should be banned because 2% of crimes involve assault rifles.
Abortions should be allowed because 1% of abortions are in cases of rape/incest.
Makes sense...... aside from the whole not making any fucking sense part.
What point is a fetus alive? Good question. There's not really a clear medical answer, but the consensus is when the fetus is able to survive outside of the womb
If the fetus is already dead before the procedure is performed, and the procedure becomes illegal, how do you suppose you remove it?When a medical professional does an intact dilation and extraction, is the fetus dead? does it die during the procedure? if so? why does it die? is it natural or is the death a direct cause of the medical professional's action?
"When a fetus is able to survive outside the womb"...
does that include the ability to fight off the doctor who is trying to kill it?
Maybe we need to give fetuses guns.
Are you being serious?
You skipped over the question....
during the IDX, does the doctor do anything to end the life of the fetus or does it die of natural causes? could the doctor do anything to help it's chances of survival? does the doctor play any role in ending it's life?
Does the doctor play any role in reducing the fetuses chance of survival?
na, im not being serious, just another tinfoil hat republican conspiracy theory.
If your causes were actually noble, you wouldnt have to dance around them so much. Just be honest about what you support. You persistently insult me for my opinion on things of a political nature..... but i dont hide from my own point of view like you do. You're constantly drowning the pig in perfume.
You're asking me to go on a case by case basis and figure out in each case if doctors are playing any role in ending a fetus' life after the point in which survival is possible outside of the womb and doesn't mortally endanger the life of the mother?
lol........
I said two pages ago what I support. We're you paying attention? I'm still trying to define to you what I support. But it seems like you and the rest of the individualist hivemind here is arguing that what I support is morally wrong without understanding what it is that I support.
93% of abortions are listed as "social reasons".....
6% are because of medical complications.
In those 93% of abortions, what role does the doctor play in the chances of survival of the fetus? would the fetus have survived without interference from the doctor? did it die of natural causes only to be extracted by the doctor?
Maybe..... just maybe....
you're an idiot.
Have you considered that option?
Source? Because this seems to conflict with the webMD source I provided
I don't know because I haven't looked at all the cases of abortion. If out of 100 abortions performed, one was dead of natural causes before the abortion was performed, how do you safely remove a dead fetus from a womb if you make abortion illegal?In those 93% of abortions, what role does the doctor play in the chances of survival of the fetus? would the fetus have survived without interference from the doctor? did it die of natural causes only to be extracted by the doctor?
LOL.....
Alright Jay Carney, i'm gonna go eat lunch now.... Your stance is unusually idiotic today, i'm gonna take a break and give you time to regroup.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Ok, so all that you just established is that you are not capable of reading comprehension and critical thinking. I shouldn't have expected that much from you.
Let me ask you two simple questions that you probably still can't understand.
Should a woman be allowed to choose to kill her baby just because she decides that she does not want it? (not natural, not "health of mother", not already dead fetus)
Should it make a difference if the baby is killed at 24 weeks, or 24 minutes after delivery?
Oh, and as for reasons of a late termination:
71% Woman didn't recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation
48% Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion
33% Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents
24% Woman took time to decide to have an abortion
8% Woman waited for her relationship to change
8% Someone pressured woman not to have abortion
6% Something changed after woman became pregnant
6% Woman didn't know timing is important
5% Woman didn't know she could get an abortion
2% A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy
11% Other
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Hmm, that wouldn't be "woman's choice" now, would it? Critical thinking.....
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
And let me help you make a clear and concise argument by removing the emotional embellishments.
Yes. Absolutely.Should a woman be allowed to choose to have an abortion just because she decides that she does not want it? (not natural, not "health of mother", not already dead fetus)
Yes. Because it does. A fetus before 24 weeks is physically and developmentally dissimilar to a baby at delivery. There's no dispute about this.Should it make a difference if the fetus is aborted at 24 weeks, or 24 minutes after delivery?
Yes. I posted this.Oh, and as for reasons of a late termination:
71% Woman didn't recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation
48% Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion
33% Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents
24% Woman took time to decide to have an abortion
8% Woman waited for her relationship to change
8% Someone pressured woman not to have abortion
6% Something changed after woman became pregnant
6% Woman didn't know timing is important
5% Woman didn't know she could get an abortion
2% A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy
11% Other
If abortion was illegal, there wouldn't be much choice, would there? Critical thinking....LOL.
So why have you spent all morning dancing around the fact that most abortions are simply the choice to not want a baby????????????
You believe that if a woman doesnt want to have a baby, she can go to the doctor and have the doctor terminate the baby.
Own what you believe in and quit trying to put a political spin on it.
The real question is, at what point does a fetus become a living child. So far your definition is "when able to survive outside the womb"....
So can i get an abortion in 8 1/2 months as long as the "fetus" is still inside? if not, why not?
Sure there would.............. just because its illegal doesnt mean it stops you right? Even if they make abortion illegal, you can still get an abortion.
This is what I mean about you having an opinion on a subject you know nothing about. The only one putting a political spin on it is you. You and David are the only ones using the political definitions of abortion.
A fetus can survive out of the womb as little as 24 weeks of gestation.
Come back to this discussion when you learn something. Otherwise, keep your ignorant opinions out of serious discussion.
You've gotta be trolling. No one is literally this stupid. THE TWO ARE NOT THE SAME.
I'm using your own definition that you gave me when i asked you the question and you still insult my definition.....lol
I'm repeating what you said.................
if you think it's stupid and feel that "no one is literally this stupid" then perhaps we are taking a step in the right direction, you understanding that you're stupid. Admitting your ignorance is part of the healing process. I am happy that you have decided to take part in this journey. If there's anything i can do to assist you on your path back to reality, please let me know how i can help. That's what friends are for.
Quote me where I said if abortion is illegal, you can still get an abortion.
Still searching? I got alllllllllll day.
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