Originally Posted by .blank cd
You didnt say specifically if abortion was illegal, you could still get an abortion. Though i'm surprised that you're disputing this??? you cant have an abortion without a doctor?
In regards to the other objects being discussed in this thread, you said "making them illegal will not stop you from obtaining them"
So I didn't say specifically. Thank you
I wasn't making an analogy to guns at all.In regards to the other objects being discussed in this thread, you said "making them illegal will not stop you from obtaining them"
So, do you support a line drawn at that period? Do you support the Partial-Birth Abortion Bill?
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
But you cannot deny the validity of Sinfix's argument....
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
You said that i should not care about guns being made illegal because i could still get them.
Why should i care about abortions being illegal? you can still get them.
Yes. I deny vehemently the validity of Sinfix's argument.
If a gun control bill, as written, states that you can still purchase the banned weapons, what would that have to do with an abortion bill that made it impossible to get an IDX outside of a rape or mothers life case? If a baby dies in the womb, no ones life is at stake.
Ok, so make an abortion bill that bans abortions..... but has a clause that says "what you do with a clothes hanger in your own bathroom is your business"
problem solved!
I'd have to read the bill more. From what I've read I don't really support or oppose it.
Your desperation is quite humorous.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
If you don't know what it is about, then you really are showing that you have no clue about the arguments that you are attempting to present here.
Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It's been LAW since 2003, and the SCOTUS upheld it in 2007.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
hey.... wait a second.............
that cant be true.....
because that would mean that blank doesnt have a fucking clue what he's talking about.
I do know what it's about. I read it. I said I would have to read it more to answer your question. From what I read, I don't support or oppose it.
What I have read doesn't change the fact that abortion is not legally or medically defined as killing or murder
Doesn't mean that though
So you are doing exactly what you accused Sinfix of doing, arguing a position without proper knowledge. Pot, meet kettle.
Carry on, this is entertaining.
If you had read it, you would have noted this part:
"Any physician who, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, knowingly performs a partial-birth abortion and thereby kills a human fetus shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both."
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
I'm not arguing a position without proper knowledge at all. As a matter of fact, when the question was posed, I said I needed more information. LOL
Good try though. B for effort.
Did you read the rest of it? Or would you like to cherry-pick it some more?
Your choice
Your "everyone else is wrong, and I'm right" position is a tell-tale sign of Narcissistic Personality Disorder - you might want to see a professional.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
There is no "everyone else is wrong" position.
Re-read your own posts from the last year. You'll find it everywhere - if you look.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Even worse...... i was probably the first person to even mention partial birth abortion on this sight. I posted various links and pictures discussing the process. Blank shamelessly said i didnt know what i was talking about...........
yet here we are with him admitting he doesnt know what he's talking about. Common practice from the liberal left.... just spout things out of your ass and call everyone a liar or a racist. If you repeat yourself enough it makes it true.
Blank, you not believing in god is starting to make me question my atheism...... maybe i need to go pick up a bible.
Maybe you should
I'm thinking about it......
how's the whole being fully devoted to a lie and unconditionally supporting a false prophet working out for you?
I wouldn't know. I don't believe in god and I'm not a radical conservative.I'm thinking about it......
how's the whole being fully devoted to a lie and unconditionally supporting a false prophet working out for you?
You're right..... you're a radical liberal.
Hardly.
Reasons given for having abortions in the United States
The third table down. It is 2004 data. Only 7% of abortions for medical reasons.
This one puts the numbers at at least 13%.
Why Women Choose Abortion - Statistical Breakdown of Reasons For Abortion
Lets face facts. Abortion is a lifestyle choice in the VAST majority of cases.
Abortion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Wiki also disagrees with your definition of abortion. The unintentional loss of a fetus is called a miscarriage. An abortion is the intentional loss of a fetus.
Wiki definitely agrees with my definition, since that's where I got it.
"An abortion can occur spontaneously, in which case it is usually called a miscarriage, or it can be purposely induced."
So since abortions are also spontaneous miscarriages, using the medical definition of abortion--and I'm just stabbing in the dark here--MOST abortions are kinda medical complications.
Why don't you just cut the bullshit already and address the issue and what you believe instead of side-stepping with political correctness and medical definitions? How many people do you know that identify their ailments and symptoms with proper medical terminology? Probably less than 1% of people you know, or the entire population for that matter. For all intents and purposes the term "abortion" as far as the vast majority of the adult population is concerned refers to the intentional termination of a pregnancy by the mother, and the unintentional loss of a pregnancy is considered a miscarriage. Quit playing with semantics and step into the realm of reality and address the issue at a level that most voters will understand and get off your intellectual high horse with this "well strictly according to the medical definition" crap. After all, the majority of the electorate you are dealing with cares more about Angelina Jolie's double mastectomy and how fat Kim Kardashian looks this week than the fact that Benghazi is a clusterfuck, the fed govt has flexed it's political muscle through the IRS and the EPA while seizing press phone records to "investigate a leak".
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That's the whole fucking problem. You shouldn't have to dumb shit down for any average voter. It should be the other way around. Economics and policy are incredibly complex systems that can't be and are not solved with "common sense". People go to college for YEARS to get an understanding of only parts of that system.
If you want to oppose abortion, make an effort to learn what an abortion actually is
If you want to oppose raising taxes, make an effort to understand what taxes are and what the effects of raising and lowering taxes are
If you want to oppose gun control, make an effort to understand what gun control is. Etc. ad nauseum.
The fact that there are Ivy League graduates even suggesting any of these solutions implies that there's more to the issue than some elaborate scheme to kill babies/global domination/illuminati/socialistcommunistmuslimatheistkenyan gun grab.
This is the realm of reality. It doesn't matter how many of your typical honey boo boo watching, Kardashian idolizing, Bieber listening, coors light drinking, NASCAR racing, flag waiving, simple fucks think abortion is just killing babies. Abortion is never going to be black and white like that. Neither is any other political issue, and I vehemently oppose the systematic dumbing down of America and its education system in order to hide the real issues. It's not worth having an opinion if its based in ignorance.
Irony at its finest.
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Well then lets break it down dumbo style so no one gets confused between an abortion and a miscarriage. Only a very small percentage of purposefully induced abortions are health related.
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How many women have you met that lost their baby unintentionally, and called it an abortion instead of calling it a miscarriage? I haven't met a single one yet.
Miscarriage is commonly used if it was an unintentional loss, which the mother did not choose to have happen.
Abortion is commonly used if the mother chose to end the pregnancy.
You are just trying to play with semantics. Everyone in normal society understands the usage and its connotation of both words.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Here you go again with your self righteous ego. Nobody here is confused..... everyone understands. You arent talking over anyone's head. It's just that you distort reality to suit your own agenda. You sit here and act as if an abortion is a medical procedure a doctor performs to save a woman's life.... it isnt.... if you think it is, then you need to get your fucking head checked. You see the world through your rose colored liberal glasses and in that world, you bend reality to suit your needs. You are the idiot here................................
how many people have to confirm it before you realize it? No matter how hard you try to be politically correct, no matter what sources you cite or how many big words you use...... it's painfully obvious that you simply do not understand. You are completely lacking of all common sense. You continuously get beat over the head with facts and none of it seems to soak in.
Every single person in this thread is in agreement about what an abortion is but 1. That 1 person is the one saying everyone else doesnt understand.
That's a symptom of NPD. I suggested that he see a professional about that.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
So then, every person in this thread, go inform your local medical professional that abortion only means what it means to everyone else. I dont care. But you'll probably get laughed at
It doesnt matter what the colloquial term for abortion is. If you plan on having a serious discussion about it, learn what it really means.
I bet you if you polled this forum and the american population, they'd think the national debt is the same thing as your negative bank account balance. Just because thats what everyone in this forum and across the nation think it is, doesnt mean thats what it actually is.
You don't have to dumb something down to the point of stupidity to put it into terms that people can understand. Whether you like it or not, not everyone has a college education and can understand every little nuance of every little problem. I suppose you've never had to have something simplified for you so that you could gain an understanding of it right? I guess not since you seem to present yourself as an all-knowing political genius around here.
You should probably take your own advice when you take a stand supporting these things.
Who said that abortion was some elaborate scheme to kill babies? I must have missed that.
It's already been covered, but how many women do you know that refer to miscarriages as "spontaneous abortion?" I've never met one, not a single fucking one. You can repeat the medical definition until you are blue in the face, that doesn't change the fact that perception of abortion is the voluntary termination of pregnancy, otherwise it is a miscarriage. Your perceived intellectual superiority isn't going to change that.
As far as the systematic dumbing down of America and our education system, that's a whole other thread that I'm pretty sure has been gone over here before. I can certainly go start another education thread if you'd like to have that debate though.
How about you go tell the Mayo Clinic that they don't know what abortion is.
"Medical abortion is a procedure that uses various medications to end a pregnancy." - Mayo Clinic - Medical abortion: Ending pregnancy with medication - MayoClinic.com
So that you don't try to play on semantics....
You can also inform the University of Maryland and the US National Library of Medicine.
"A surgical abortion is a procedure that ends a pregnancy by removing the fetus and placenta from the mother's womb (uterus)." - University of Maryland Medical Center - http://www.umm.edu/ency/article/0029...#ixzz2Tw9ank1d
"Surgical abortion is a procedure that ends a pregnancy by removing the fetus and placenta from the mother's womb (uterus). Surgical abortion is not the same as miscarriage. Miscarriage is when a pregnancy ends on its own before the 20th week." - US National Library of Medicine - Abortion - surgical: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia
Notice that they say that the procedure ends the pregnancy - not that the child was already dead (miscarriage).
Now, go tell them that they are wrong, and that you know better - and show them your medical degree also. It is probably in the same drawer that holds your degrees in science and psychology - you know, the drawer that doesn't exist.
Let me quote someone here: "If you plan on having a serious discussion about it, learn what it really means." - YOU
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
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