Quote Originally Posted by bu villain View Post
I already responded to that when you first made the post but you still didn't answer my question. So your position is that going to a doctor for basic health care has no value?

Your cherry picked facts are not telling the whole story. It's not hard to see the rediculousness of your argument. You really think someone with a 250,000 dollar house driving a beamer is going to have their grocery bill as the first item on the chopping block if their health care costs go up? And as we both know poor people don't pay taxes so they don't have to make any sacrafices.

You believe if we just got rid of public schools we wouldn't have people doing the wrong thing, making low wages, or being on government assistance. Really?

That's exactly opposite of what I am advocating. I already said if testing would cost more than the savings of finding problems early then I wouldn't support that test.

I realize you feel no moral obligation to help anyone out but your own family even if it would benefit the world your family lives in. Point made.
I never said that going to the doctor had no value. It is a simple fact though that the countries that provide socialized healthcare do not see s general increase on longevity - which was one of your original points. It is simply not true for society in general. Other factors have a larger effect than a 15-30 min docitor visit. Health-based choices, such as proper eating, rest, stress reduction, etc, play a much bigger role for the general population.

I am not cherry picking - I am talking about the majority of the population. The families that make under 100K GROSS are going to faced with choices. Do you no care about the families that have experienced the loss of a income earner? They are the ones that do pay taxes but are being forced to change their quality of life with reduced income. Leveling everything by decimating everything is Marxism.

I never said that we would get rid of the public school system, but I will say that it does not properly prepare people to be successful. This is due to a variety of reasons, one of which is a poor nuturing environment. BTW - Do you realize that federal income tax is not how the majortity of the public education system is funded? It is mostly from local property taxes and state resources. Its simple to remove the majority of those taxes if you desire - rent or move to a cheaper location.

Again - who decides what tests are too be done? And if a test is not provided under the plan, who is responsible for those who die due to be refused the test that might save their life? Is it the doctor, the government, who?

I already pay more in taxes each year than you make gross. Who are you to decide that I should provide more for society? I am trying to improve my society - by directly improving my own family members lives first. Your ideas only drag everyone down to the same level, rather than improving the ones that you actually can interface with. I already contribute more financially to general society than you do, but you seem to think that I am should be obligated to pay more of what I work for to those who do not put out the same level of effort? What kind of fantasy world do you live in?