lol, WORTHLESS THREAD, WORTHLESS THREAD. lol. I do agree though that the K-Pro is much more advanced than a piggyback labeling would imply although it is still not a stand alone. By the name itself, a stand alone must be able to function on its own. I don't know if it is a pride thing or whatever with hondata but I would simply state that it is a revolutionary idea that keeps it under the price of most stand alones while giving you a much larger tuning platform than a piggyback. blah blah blah. Bottom line, if you have a K series and want to modify it or go faster by a damn Kpro and who gives a fuck what you call it. I call it a damn Kpro.