standalone and piggyback discussion

[speedminded]

so if KPRO is not a piggy back , then what do you guys classify S300 and S200 as?

All piggyback computers have one thing in common. They run a microprocessor separate from the ecu's microprocessor to take over command and control of several of the sensors / injectors/ ignition etc. Typically wires are cut or intecepted in a piggybacked system

The Hondata system does not work in conjunction with the stock ECU. It is the stock ECU. It is a modified stock ECU that is upgraded to be programmable. It uses only the stock microprocessor. By this definition the Hondata system is not a piggyback. Had we integrated and built our interface unit so that it fitted inside the ECU, there would have been far less confusion.

The interface box for the S200 systems we attatch, serves as an interface for datalogging and for connecting a clutch switch. No wires are cut or intecepted between the ECU and the sensors.

The S100 systems are completely internal, but lack these features.

There are various methods of programming the ECU from real time using the ROMulator to removing and reflashing the chip we provide. The options are there simply to lower the entry level cost for those people who simply want a well tuned system and do not want to make any changes. These people actually make up about 80 + percent of the people who buy a Hondata system. Adding real time programing for every system would substantially increase the cost.

The Hondata system is a standalone with various levels of reprogramming capabilities depending on the options purchased

I don't exactly agree with his last sentence, it's still using the OEM ECU, not replacing it....i can't win, you can't win...nobody wins!

[kenscivic]

agreed, i think we were both wrong vtec kidd.. It can't be classified as a piggyback or really a standalone , like hondata states it MIMICS a standalone, this does not say it is a stand alone but acts like one right?

Since it actually re writes the programs instead of just tricking the factory ecu, it is not a piggyback.


and to the person asking how many cars i have Toon'D , why does this matter? I did not pull the information out of my ass, hondata posts on the ep message board i frequent and they replied to a thread about me asking if kpro is a piggyback or standalone..

So i guess a better question you should ask is how many cars has hondata tuned ..

[A.P. Photography]

Ok we are going to go by a check list here and see which one it falls close too.



Stand Alone
Self-contained and usually independently operating - No

Piggyback
In connection with something larger or more important - Yes

By def. the K-pro would be considered a piggyback, regardless of what it does it cannot function solely on its own and has to have the ECU to function. Without the ECU the Kpro cannot run the vehicle. Just my

[Vteckidd]

Ok we are going to go by a check list here and see which one it falls close too.



Stand Alone
Self-contained and usually independently operating - No

Piggyback
In connection with something larger or more important - Yes

By def. the K-pro would be considered a piggyback, regardless of what it does it cannot function solely on its own and has to have the ECU to function. Without the ECU the Kpro cannot run the vehicle. Just my

which is exatly my arguement.

Standalone does not need the ECU to operate the vehicle. KPRO does, REGARDLESS of what Hondata says

[HiPSI]

which is exatly my arguement.

Standalone does not need the ECU to operate the vehicle. KPRO does, REGARDLESS of what Hondata says

but in essence the factory ECU is becoming a standalone with the install.

[speedminded]

Ok we are going to go by a check list here and see which one it falls close too.



Stand Alone
Self-contained and usually independently operating - No

Piggyback
In connection with something larger or more important - Yes

By def. the K-pro would be considered a piggyback, regardless of what it does it cannot function solely on its own and has to have the ECU to function. Without the ECU the Kpro cannot run the vehicle. Just my

Now if K-pro/Hondata took a honda ecu, installed all their necessary hardware, changed the ecu cover to something branding their company, then sold it complete, then it could be considered a stand-alone but as of now it's just a kit that is used in conjunction with the factory ECU.

[A.P. Photography]

Now if K-pro/Hondata took a honda ecu, installed all their necessary hardware, changed the ecu cover to something branding their company, then sold it complete, then it could be considered a stand-alone but as of now it's just a kit that is used in conjunction with the factory ECU.

I agree and which, by def., is a Piggyback.

[kenscivic]

Now if K-pro/Hondata took a honda ecu, installed all their necessary hardware, changed the ecu cover to something branding their company, then sold it complete, then it could be considered a stand-alone but as of now it's just a kit that is used in conjunction with the factory ECU.

you have choices, you can buy kpro without them using your factory ecu, instead of 800-1000$ it costs 1500$


so are you saying that would be considered "stand alone" but sending in your ecu would be considered piggyback? :confused: even though it is the same exact thing

[speedminded]

you have choices, you can buy kpro without them using your factory ecu, instead of 800-1000$ it costs 1500$


so are you saying that would be considered "stand alone" but sending in your ecu would be considered piggyback? :confused: even though it is the same exact thing

i couldn't have said it any more clearly...


Now if K-pro/Hondata took a honda ecu (as in bought a truckload from honda), installed all their necessary hardware (soldered in and attached all the things they sell), changed the ecu cover to something branding their company (made the ecu cover their own item, as in changing the physical appearance of it with their own thing), then sold it complete (as in a box with everything just as if you were buying an AEM EMS), then it could be considered a stand-alone BUT as of now it's just a kit that is used in conjunction with the factory ECU (as in you buy the parts and pieces to incorporate those items to you existing ECU).

[kenscivic]

i couldn't have said it any more clearly...


Now if K-pro/Hondata took a honda ecu (as in bought a truckload from honda), installed all their necessary hardware (soldered in and attached all the things they sell), changed the ecu cover to something branding their company (made the ecu cover their own item, as in changing the physical appearance of it with their own thing), then sold it complete (as in a box with everything just as if you were buying an AEM EMS), then it could be considered a stand-alone BUT as of now it's just a kit that is used in conjunction with the factory ECU (as in you buy the parts and pieces to incorporate those items to you existing ECU).

but they DO sell it as a package also... so lets say i pay 1500$ for the "hondata" one and one i send my ecu in for the 800$ one, they both do the same exact thing, look exactly the same, the 1500$ one is a stand alone and the 800$ is a piggyback?