The definition of Porsche

[IDCoconut]

huggies is the man.


It's a Carrera RS. That should have ended the thread 14pages ago.

[speedminded]

exactly , so common folk wouldnt even know either...so whats the point in paying 213k if you cant ball out

Now YOU are exactly like those doctors, lawyers, and celebrities you mentioned yesterday that "only buy ferraris and lamborghini's to show them off". Unlike you, some people are knowledgeable about vehicles and purchase one because the way it feels and sounds or in the case of the Carrera RS, a collectable that will only continue to increase in value.

[speedminded]

Oh yea, and this car is amazing. I wonder why it has a sunroof though...

Any option that was available by Porsche could be put on when you ordered it, some Carrera RS's even had electric windows...

i don't understand why people like the older Porsche's that look like this, ive always hated them style wise, it looks like an retarded Volkswagen beetle, and 95 percent of you would yell rice if you saw that spoiler on anything besides this

What Porsche's have you driven?

You're right, a Porsche whale tail on anything but a Porsche is ridiculous, as is Lamborghini doors on anything but a Lamborghini. See the trend?

[quickdodge®]

You're right, a Porsche whale tail on anything but a Porsche is ridiculous, as is Lamborghini doors on anything but a Lamborghini. See the trend?

Exactly. Functionality does not beget rice. Later, QD.

[IndianStig]

Sick little car right there.

[Huggies]

the original car posted is really ugly

You all do realise that while driving an automobile, in most cases, you will be on the inside of the machine. Thus, having only a tantalising view of the hood and front wheel arches (real men don't look in the mirrors). With this information taken into consideration what then does this highly subjective criterion of exterior beauty really matter?

It's the god damned homologated son of a car that got 2nd overall at Le Mans. Saying you wouldn't take this car over a 350z is roughly akin to saying you wouldn't take a McLaren F1 over a model year 2025 Nissan Z because you thought the McLaren was "ugly". Roflcopter.

Excuse me while I vomit inside my mouth.

[Hundo®]

You all do realise that while driving an automobile, in most cases, you will be on the inside of the machine. Thus, having only a tantalising view of the hood and front wheel arches (real men don't look in the mirrors). With this information taken into consideration what then does this highly subjective criterion of exterior beauty really matter?



It's the god damned homologated son of a car that got 2nd overall at Le Mans. Saying you wouldn't take this car over a 350z is roughly akin to saying you wouldn't take a McLaren F1 over a model year 2025 Nissan Z because you thought the McLaren was "ugly". Roflcopter.

Excuse me while I vomit inside my mouth.

you can make any car fast/good at handling.

you can't make a car.. NOT ugly. unless you spend tons of money on body conversions. and in porsches case you wuoldn't want to alter it because the shape is that way for a reason. just not my style, it's disgusting. for 213,000$ id make 10 cars that will destroy that ugly frog of a thing on the highway the track and wherever else, and look good doing it.

[EJ25RUN]

You all do realise that while driving an automobile, in most cases, you will be on the inside of the machine. Thus, having only a tantalising view of the hood and front wheel arches (real men don't look in the mirrors). With this information taken into consideration what then does this highly subjective criterion of exterior beauty really matter?



It's the god damned homologated son of a car that got 2nd overall at Le Mans. Saying you wouldn't take this car over a 350z is roughly akin to saying you wouldn't take a McLaren F1 over a model year 2025 Nissan Z because you thought the McLaren was "ugly". Roflcopter.Excuse me while I vomit inside my mouth.

1973 Daytona 24 Hour...... Peter Gregg & Hurley Haywood drove a Carrera RS to to the overall victory in the event. THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME EVER A GT CAR FROM THE LOWEST CLASS WAS ABLE TO TAKE OUTRIGHT VICTORY IN THE EVENT AGAINST COMPETION FROM EVEN THE PROTOTYPES like Mirage, Lola, and Matra!!!


I'd really like to see a 350z do that today!

[speedminded]

you can make any car fast/good at handling.

you can't make a car.. NOT ugly. unless you spend tons of money on body conversions. and in porsches case you wuoldn't want to alter it because the shape is that way for a reason. just not my style, it's disgusting. for 213,000$ id make 10 cars that will destroy that ugly frog of a thing on the highway the track and wherever else, and look good doing it.

For $20,000 i could build a car that would completely destroy the Carrera RS but that not the point. YOU build a car and the value is going to be no more than what you have in it...if even half. The Carrera RS was $12,000 NEW in 1973 & 1974 with the value of the ones sold recently have been $180,00-200,000+. It's a collectors item, period.

[Huggies]

you can make any car fast/good at handling.

you can't make a car.. NOT ugly. unless you spend tons of money on body conversions. and in porsches case you wuoldn't want to alter it because the shape is that way for a reason. just not my style, it's disgusting. for 213,000$ id make 10 cars that will destroy that ugly frog of a thing on the highway the track and wherever else, and look good doing it.

Exactly. Any car with enough money and engineering is capable of eXtreme preformance. In the end a purchased car is a sled to slap your roll cage and Skyline engine onto.

So why buy anything but a 800kg mid-engined two door which you can then rice to your hearts content into a champion racer? Hehe.

Now, taking a step out of the pits, let's imagine that you are not looking for a Race Car but rather a Sports Car. As a Sports Car the Carrera RS is nigh untouchable. Imagine that our hypothetical driver and owner of a stock Carrera RS and a stock 350Z won't modify his cars in the least. Now what's up, playa.

I think I've discovered your problem. You sleep in Nomex pyjamas don't you? Perhaps you might want to, on occasion, remember that racing is but a subset of what cars are used for, son.

[Hundo®]

For $20,000 i could build a car that would completely destroy the Carrera RS but that not the point. YOU build a car and the value is going to be no more than what you have in it...if even half. The Carrera RS was $12,000 NEW in 1973 & 1974 with the value of the ones sold recently have been $180,00-200,000+. It's a collectors item, period.

i said look good doing it. i wouldn't want one cuz it's ugly, your 20,000 car would be ugly too.

[Hundo®]

Exactly. Any car with enough money and engineering is capable of eXtreme preformance. In the end a purchased car is a sled to slap your roll cage and Skyline engine onto.

So why buy anything but a 800kg mid-engined two door which you can then rice to your hearts content into a champion racer? Hehe.

Now, taking a step out of the pits, let's imagine that you are not looking for a Race Car but rather a Sports Car. As a Sports Car the Carrera RS is nigh untouchable. Imagine that our hypothetical driver and owner of a stock Carrera RS and a stock 350Z won't modify his cars in the least. Now what's up, playa.

I think I've discovered your problem. You sleep in Nomex pyjamas don't you? Perhaps you might want to, on occasion, remember that racing is but a subset of what cars are used for, son.

keep your RS garbage, ill go get an F430/gallardo and beat you. back in the day, when ther was nothing else better, im sure i would have bought and RS too for 12,000$, then again, i might have liked the way it looked back in 1847 when it came out.

but as far as current time.. that car just doesn't compare to other super cars for the price.

hell ill go get a gt2 - gt3 CURRENT and pay 100,000$ less, or the Skyline GT-R, new or the old one.

i actually like the newer porsches, they're based off the same "LINES" yes but they look pretty much nothing the same IMO.

[speedminded]

i said look good doing it. i wouldn't want one cuz it's ugly, your 20,000 car would be ugly too.

If you call a Radical ugly, sure. You can get Formula Mazdas for $20k all day long too But do you mean build one from scratch or what? I could build a Honda that would run circles around that car (or any other non-turbo 911 up through the 90's) for under $20k.

[speedminded]

keep your RS garbage, ill go get an F430/gallardo and beat you. back in the day, when ther was nothing else better, im sure i would have bought and RS too for 12,000$, then again, i might have liked the way it looked back in 1847 when it came out.

but as far as current time.. that car just doesn't compare to other super cars for the price.

hell ill go get a gt2 - gt3 CURRENT and pay 100,000$ less, or the Skyline GT-R, new or the old one.

i actually like the newer porsches, they're based off the same "LINES" yes but they look pretty much nothing the same IMO.

Why the fuck do you insist on comparing a 1973/74 Carrera RS to the high performance cars of today? Get your head out of your ass.

You want to compare it to a Ferrari, then find me one that cost $12,000 new in the early 70's. Then find me one that has increased in value over 2000%.

[81911SC]

but as far as current time.. that car just doesn't compare to other super cars for the price.

That's not the point of it. Nobody said it could keep up with/ beat any of those. It's not always about the speed, son.

[Huggies]

keep your RS garbage, ill go get an F430/gallardo and beat you. back in the day, when ther was nothing else better, im sure i would have bought and RS too for 12,000$, then again, i might have liked the way it looked back in 1847 when it came out.

but as far as current time.. that car just doesn't compare to other super cars for the price.

hell ill go get a gt2 - gt3 CURRENT and pay 100,000$ less, or the Skyline GT-R, new or the old one.

i actually like the newer porsches, they're based off the same "LINES" yes but they look pretty much nothing the same IMO.

I'm pretty sure we can stop doing price:performance ratios once we crack one hundred large, nerd. You are talking about high roller items with a small fry mind. High rollers stop caring how performant things are, and only care how sweet/awesome/rad things are.

I guess your just doomed to some kind of special hell for the people who like the look of the 350z (which by all accounts is the visual offspring of a Ford Focus, a 3rd gen Eclipse, and a DUN DUN DUN 911).

[speedminded]

oh yeah, figured it out! $1.00 in 2006 was equivalent to $0.19 cents in 1970...soo $0.19 in 1970 would buy you $1.00 worth of goods today.

Therefore a $12,000 car in 1970 is equivalent to a $63,157.89 today, which amazingly about the exact cost of a regular Porsche Carrera...BUT since the value of the dollar dropped 50% from 1970-1980 I can't determine what the EXACT value in 1973 was.

[Hundo®]

so in thi s thread we've accomplished:

nothing.

i dont like the car.

/argument.

[speedminded]

oh yeah, figured it out! $1.00 in 2006 was equivalent to $0.19 cents in 1970...soo $0.19 in 1970 would buy you $1.00 worth of goods today.

Therefore a $12,000 car in 1970 is equivalent to a $63,157.89 today, which amazingly about the exact cost of a regular Porsche Carrera...BUT since the value of the dollar dropped 50% from 1970-1980 I can't determine what the EXACT value in 1973 was.

Ah, I got it...lol! The value of the dollar dropped 53% from 1970-1980 which is 5.3% p/year. If we said it dropped steadily each year then in 1973 about $0.26 = $1.00 today (technically 0.2567 = 1.00).

That means a $12,000 car (Carrera RS) in 1973 is equivalent to a $46,740.86 car today.

If a $12,000 car from 1973 is valued at $200,000 today that's a 1,666.6% increase in value.

CLIFF NOTES: Find me a $47,000 car today that will be worth over $783,000 in 34 years.

[Hundo®]

ok, so to clear things up.

for it's time, im sure the RS was a pretty badass car. But it's still ugly.

And if you're saying that currently you would take that car over any other car that you could get today, you're nuts, and frankly a ****ing fanboy.


unless you're balling out of control and you can afford anything you want, and you want that just so you can say "i have that ugly ass car with a whale tail that beat all the other ones back in 1692."

[Huggies]

ok, so to clear things up.

for it's time, im sure the RS was a pretty badass car. But it's still ugly.

And if you're saying that currently you would take that car over any other car that you could get today, you're nuts, and frankly a ****ing fanboy.


unless you're balling out of control and you can afford anything you want, and you want that just so you can say "i have that ugly ass car with a whale tail that beat all the other ones back in 1692."

I would take quite a few current cars over the Carrera RS. All of them share this trait with the RS though, they are under 1000kg. None of these obese fat cars that can't stay off the candy. I mean the modern GT3 RS is 1.3k, which is like, one million pounds overweight. Your precious 350z is 1.4k, which means it needs a motorised cart to get around the supermarket.

I just want to know why almost all the hot sub-1000kg cars are british... or thirty years old.

[On_Her_Face]

id take it over my car.. mainly for the money though.. not to own a peice of porsche heritage.

[Hundo®]

id take it over my car.. mainly for the money though.. not to own a peice of porsche heritage.

duh, id take it in a heartbeat and resell it. we're saying, if you had to keep it, this or.. anything else.

[benny.boom]

where did you get these pics?

[speedminded]

ok, so to clear things up.

for it's time, im sure the RS was a pretty badass car. But it's still ugly.

And if you're saying that currently you would take that car over any other car that you could get today, you're nuts, and frankly a ****ing fanboy.


unless you're balling out of control and you can afford anything you want, and you want that just so you can say "i have that ugly ass car with a whale tail that beat all the other ones back in 1692."

You just don't get it, the only reason the Carrera RS was built was to be qualified to participate in a certain race class, the FIA Group 4. Building a minimum of 500 production street cars enabled them to enter into that class. This is the game/politics that car manufacturers deal with every single day.

Then not only that but the race version Carrera RSR would mark the beginning to Porsche's turbocharging, where do you think that got us today? (GM was doing it 10 years before on production vehicles but soon abandoned it and BMW began turbocharging production cars in 1973)

[Hundo®]

You just don't get it, the only reason the Carrera RS was built was to be qualified to participate in a certain race class, the FIA Group 4. Building a minimum of 500 production street cars enabled them to enter into that class. This is the game/politics that car manufacturers deal with every single day.

Then not only that but the race version Carrera RSR would mark the beginning to Porsche's turbocharging, where do you think that got us today? (GM was doing it 10 years before on production vehicles but soon abandoned it and BMW began turbocharging production cars in 1973)

you've provided me with no new information and i still hate how it looks. Furthermore allt his useless information you guys keep telling me about what a great car it is, still doesn't change the fact in my mind that it's ugly. and that wast he only thing i was saying.

[speedminded]

you've provided me with no new information and i still hate how it looks. Furthermore allt his useless information you guys keep telling me about what a great car it is, still doesn't change the fact in my mind that it's ugly. and that wast he only thing i was saying.

9/10 Z32 owner despised the Z33 when the concept was released and i still do. It's a grand touring car and as far as GT's go the G35 looks a million times better. Please explain the golf ball dimples on the door handles and certain model wheels? Its over-exaggerated features are ridiculous looking BUT I can overlook 99.9% of the appearance if it makes up for it handling and performance wise....which it doesn't

...and that brings me to this, it's 400lbs heavier than a BMW M3 with 50 less hp & 10lbs-ft. torque. The engine specs don't matter much, speed and quickness is in the gearing and weight ratio anyways...but 400 lbs IS a big deal. Of course the Z33 is $20,000 less but we won't get into that

[Hundo®]

9/10 Z32 owner despised the Z33 when the concept was released and i still do. It's a grand touring car and as far as GT's go the G35 looks a million times better. Please explain the golf ball dimples on the door handles and certain model wheels? Its over-exaggerated features are ridiculous looking BUT I can overlook 99.9% of the appearance if it makes up for it handling and performance wise....which it doesn't

...and that brings me to this, it's 400lbs heavier than a BMW M3 with 50 less hp & 10lbs-ft. torque. The engine specs don't matter much, speed and quickness is in the gearing and weight ratio anyways...but 400 lbs IS a big deal. Of course the Z33 is $20,000 less but we won't get into that

you've obviously never driven a Z33. around the track i've seen countless drivers beat out boxter S's AND your beloved M3. the 2007 Z's are a whole different story, beating the M3 in the 1/4 mile and around the track, at the same price as the other ones. The features you find ridiculous some seem to like, it's a difference of opinions, i think that porsche is ugly, some people think it looks good.

my 350z weighed in at the track at 3400 lbs.. which ironically is the exact same as the M3.. which you claim is lighter. the 350z also has a better final drive and comes equipped with brembo brakes. and for 38k in 2007 you can buy a Nismo 350z which will annihilate an M3 around the track.. for 20,000 LESS. there's really no comparing these cars. the m3 is overpriced. period.

at the crank ON PAPER your M3 comes with 50 more horse power.. but it frankly doesn't show.

I've raced a stock 2006 M3 SMG on the highway and took it by a Car length., given i had intake/exhaust ( an extra 10-15whp most) at the time that could have been the determining factor. Regaurdless, for the price, you can't beat the 350z in looks/speed/handling, stock for stock brand new for anything at $40,000 and under. ( and even higher in some cases )

[speedminded]

you've obviously never driven a Z33. around the track i've seen countless drivers beat out boxter S's AND your beloved M3. the 2007 Z's are a whole different story, beating the M3 in the 1/4 mile and around the track, at the same price as the other ones. The features you find ridiculous some seem to like, it's a difference of opinions, i think that porsche is ugly, some people think it looks good.

my 350z weighed in at the track at 3400 lbs.. which ironically is the exact same as the M3.. which you claim is lighter. the 350z also has a better final drive and comes equipped with brembo brakes. and for 38k in 2007 you can buy a Nismo 350z which will annihilate an M3 around the track.. for 20,000 LESS. there's really no comparing these cars. the m3 is overpriced. period.

at the crank ON PAPER your M3 comes with 50 more horse power.. but it frankly doesn't show.

I've raced a stock 2006 M3 SMG on the highway and took it by a Car length., given i had intake/exhaust ( an extra 10-15whp most) at the time that could have been the determining factor. Regaurdless, for the price, you can't beat the 350z in looks/speed/handling, stock for stock brand new for anything at $40,000 and under. ( and even higher in some cases )

You said it right there, DRIVERS.

Don't even say my m3, I didn't say I had anything to do with them, it's just the first "sportscar" I thought of to compare it to with similiar power and weight (ohhh, I looked up M3 specs and mistakingly ended up with the E46 M3 CSL, which is 3,052lbs) so my initial guess was right...it is the same weight as the bimmer but with a lil less power which I already said didn't matter all that much anyways.

For under $40k AND a daily driver the Z isn't a bad deal at all, never said it wasn't...I've both ridden and driven several but I personally don't think it's a "play" car or even makes a "fun" track car. It is however a relatively comfortable daily coupe.

[BKgen®]

God i hate M3's.

[Hundo®]

You said it right there, DRIVERS.

Don't even say my m3, I didn't say I had anything to do with them, it's just the first "sportscar" I thought of to compare it to with similiar power and weight (ohhh, I looked up M3 specs and mistakingly ended up with the E46 M3 CSL, which is 3,052lbs) so my initial guess was right...it is the same weight as the bimmer but with a lil less power which I already said didn't matter all that much anyways.

For under $40k AND a daily driver the Z isn't a bad deal at all, never said it wasn't...I've both ridden and driven several but I personally don't think it's a "play" car or even makes a "fun" track car. It is however a relatively comfortable daily coupe.

well, difference of opinion :]

i drove m3/s2k/rx8/boxster/350z before i bought my Z.. i was going to buy one of the 5. i ended up with the Z IMO it feels/looks the best. however the M3 is right up there with looks with the Z imho. M3's are ****ing clean :]

[Seun]

where did you get these pics?

from Wantone off S2ki.com
heres the link to the rest of the pics that wantone took.
http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=538989

[DUBSf22c]

Regaurdless, for the price, you can't beat the 350z in looks (opionionionoino) /speed/handling , stock for stock brand new for anything at $40,000 and under. ( and even higher in some cases )

=fixed

KRIS YOUR STUPID!


UMM YES STI / EVOX (35,000 range) will make your 350ZOMG to shame!.. thankyou come again

[DUBSf22c]

dumb ass

[Hundo®]

=fixed

KRIS YOUR STUPID!


UMM YES STI / EVOX (35,000 range) will make your 350ZOMG to shame!.. thankyou come again

the 07 z will beat STI's. the EVO9 is a faster car however, but, i dont know how well the new Nismo Z would do against the EVO9, could be a more fair match.

[DUBSf22c]

the 07 z will beat STI's. the EVO9 is a faster car however, but, i dont know how well the new Nismo Z would do against the EVO9, could be a more fair match.

your a fanboi... dont forget the cobra.. the new sti will take out the 350z

[Frög]

kris.. ive lost so much respect for you.. and your digging yourself deeper and deeper into this hole of ignorance and stupidity.. anyone with taste in cars will know that car is not ugly.. it might not tickle your fancy like it does to some of us, but there is nothing possibly ugly about the car.. please feel free to point out what is ugly..

what the round headlights? please enlighten us and justify your opinion or GTFO!

Name it, anything, and this will be the end of this argument..

[Frög]

& stop comparing it to new cars.. of course i would rather drive a F430.. The point is this car is not ugly.. who cares about the price tag.. this is not what the argument is about..

[SicStang03]

LOL at this ****...

Kris, this car may not be your cup of tea but how can you honestly say the stock z looks better?? I am so lost...

Also there are many cars that own a z in the price range

[VooDooXII]

I think F430's are ugly though.