The definition of Porsche

[Hundo®]

You just don't get it, the only reason the Carrera RS was built was to be qualified to participate in a certain race class, the FIA Group 4. Building a minimum of 500 production street cars enabled them to enter into that class. This is the game/politics that car manufacturers deal with every single day.

Then not only that but the race version Carrera RSR would mark the beginning to Porsche's turbocharging, where do you think that got us today? (GM was doing it 10 years before on production vehicles but soon abandoned it and BMW began turbocharging production cars in 1973)

you've provided me with no new information and i still hate how it looks. Furthermore allt his useless information you guys keep telling me about what a great car it is, still doesn't change the fact in my mind that it's ugly. and that wast he only thing i was saying.

[speedminded]

you've provided me with no new information and i still hate how it looks. Furthermore allt his useless information you guys keep telling me about what a great car it is, still doesn't change the fact in my mind that it's ugly. and that wast he only thing i was saying.

9/10 Z32 owner despised the Z33 when the concept was released and i still do. It's a grand touring car and as far as GT's go the G35 looks a million times better. Please explain the golf ball dimples on the door handles and certain model wheels? Its over-exaggerated features are ridiculous looking BUT I can overlook 99.9% of the appearance if it makes up for it handling and performance wise....which it doesn't

...and that brings me to this, it's 400lbs heavier than a BMW M3 with 50 less hp & 10lbs-ft. torque. The engine specs don't matter much, speed and quickness is in the gearing and weight ratio anyways...but 400 lbs IS a big deal. Of course the Z33 is $20,000 less but we won't get into that

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9/10 Z32 owner despised the Z33 when the concept was released and i still do. It's a grand touring car and as far as GT's go the G35 looks a million times better. Please explain the golf ball dimples on the door handles and certain model wheels? Its over-exaggerated features are ridiculous looking BUT I can overlook 99.9% of the appearance if it makes up for it handling and performance wise....which it doesn't

...and that brings me to this, it's 400lbs heavier than a BMW M3 with 50 less hp & 10lbs-ft. torque. The engine specs don't matter much, speed and quickness is in the gearing and weight ratio anyways...but 400 lbs IS a big deal. Of course the Z33 is $20,000 less but we won't get into that

you've obviously never driven a Z33. around the track i've seen countless drivers beat out boxter S's AND your beloved M3. the 2007 Z's are a whole different story, beating the M3 in the 1/4 mile and around the track, at the same price as the other ones. The features you find ridiculous some seem to like, it's a difference of opinions, i think that porsche is ugly, some people think it looks good.

my 350z weighed in at the track at 3400 lbs.. which ironically is the exact same as the M3.. which you claim is lighter. the 350z also has a better final drive and comes equipped with brembo brakes. and for 38k in 2007 you can buy a Nismo 350z which will annihilate an M3 around the track.. for 20,000 LESS. there's really no comparing these cars. the m3 is overpriced. period.

at the crank ON PAPER your M3 comes with 50 more horse power.. but it frankly doesn't show.

I've raced a stock 2006 M3 SMG on the highway and took it by a Car length., given i had intake/exhaust ( an extra 10-15whp most) at the time that could have been the determining factor. Regaurdless, for the price, you can't beat the 350z in looks/speed/handling, stock for stock brand new for anything at $40,000 and under. ( and even higher in some cases )

[speedminded]

you've obviously never driven a Z33. around the track i've seen countless drivers beat out boxter S's AND your beloved M3. the 2007 Z's are a whole different story, beating the M3 in the 1/4 mile and around the track, at the same price as the other ones. The features you find ridiculous some seem to like, it's a difference of opinions, i think that porsche is ugly, some people think it looks good.

my 350z weighed in at the track at 3400 lbs.. which ironically is the exact same as the M3.. which you claim is lighter. the 350z also has a better final drive and comes equipped with brembo brakes. and for 38k in 2007 you can buy a Nismo 350z which will annihilate an M3 around the track.. for 20,000 LESS. there's really no comparing these cars. the m3 is overpriced. period.

at the crank ON PAPER your M3 comes with 50 more horse power.. but it frankly doesn't show.

I've raced a stock 2006 M3 SMG on the highway and took it by a Car length., given i had intake/exhaust ( an extra 10-15whp most) at the time that could have been the determining factor. Regaurdless, for the price, you can't beat the 350z in looks/speed/handling, stock for stock brand new for anything at $40,000 and under. ( and even higher in some cases )

You said it right there, DRIVERS.

Don't even say my m3, I didn't say I had anything to do with them, it's just the first "sportscar" I thought of to compare it to with similiar power and weight (ohhh, I looked up M3 specs and mistakingly ended up with the E46 M3 CSL, which is 3,052lbs) so my initial guess was right...it is the same weight as the bimmer but with a lil less power which I already said didn't matter all that much anyways.

For under $40k AND a daily driver the Z isn't a bad deal at all, never said it wasn't...I've both ridden and driven several but I personally don't think it's a "play" car or even makes a "fun" track car. It is however a relatively comfortable daily coupe.

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You said it right there, DRIVERS.

Don't even say my m3, I didn't say I had anything to do with them, it's just the first "sportscar" I thought of to compare it to with similiar power and weight (ohhh, I looked up M3 specs and mistakingly ended up with the E46 M3 CSL, which is 3,052lbs) so my initial guess was right...it is the same weight as the bimmer but with a lil less power which I already said didn't matter all that much anyways.

For under $40k AND a daily driver the Z isn't a bad deal at all, never said it wasn't...I've both ridden and driven several but I personally don't think it's a "play" car or even makes a "fun" track car. It is however a relatively comfortable daily coupe.

well, difference of opinion :]

i drove m3/s2k/rx8/boxster/350z before i bought my Z.. i was going to buy one of the 5. i ended up with the Z IMO it feels/looks the best. however the M3 is right up there with looks with the Z imho. M3's are ****ing clean :]

[DUBSf22c]

Regaurdless, for the price, you can't beat the 350z in looks (opionionionoino) /speed/handling , stock for stock brand new for anything at $40,000 and under. ( and even higher in some cases )

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KRIS YOUR STUPID!


UMM YES STI / EVOX (35,000 range) will make your 350ZOMG to shame!.. thankyou come again

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KRIS YOUR STUPID!


UMM YES STI / EVOX (35,000 range) will make your 350ZOMG to shame!.. thankyou come again

the 07 z will beat STI's. the EVO9 is a faster car however, but, i dont know how well the new Nismo Z would do against the EVO9, could be a more fair match.

[DUBSf22c]

the 07 z will beat STI's. the EVO9 is a faster car however, but, i dont know how well the new Nismo Z would do against the EVO9, could be a more fair match.

your a fanboi... dont forget the cobra.. the new sti will take out the 350z