Gay Marriage

[Hulud]

That's how I find all Christians. Very hypocritical.

thats how i feel too but i dont judge people till i get to know them first

[quickdodge®]

thats how i feel too but i dont judge people till i get to know them first

Lolol. I used to be that way. But I still pre-judge Christian peeople because I know that's what they do. And "Lord help them" if they find out you aren't Christian yourself. Lolol. Later, QD.

[Hulud]

yea but you shouldnt judge them though not all of them are like that.

[quickdodge®]

I know that. But literally everyone that I got to be friends with that were Christians did the backstabbing, prejudging shit to me. So I tend to just say fuck em. Later, QD.

[Hulud]

ah ok

[Hulud]

yea but your just being like those people that judge you

[Jaimecbr900]

How is it double talk. Listen to yourself first off. You keep saying that it isn't going to harm you probably never will nor will it hinder you.

It doesn't and won't.

You keep saying that YOUR viewpoints are obviously better than ours

Show me where I have said something of the sort.

and that it shouldn't be allowed because people who aren't gay don't want it.

I have a standing challenge to you and any supporter of Gay marriages to show ANY way they see as "fair" to find out what the majority of people want. Remember, according to you and everyone else, Gov't is supposed to represent the PEOPLE and not themselves. Therefore, how else are THEY going to represent the people? Come up with a better way of finding out what PEOPLE want and thereby putting a new law into effect, and I'll be happy to agree with you. Until then, it's all a bunch of double talk. You want the "Gov't" to allow something that majority do not approve of, yet admit the "Gov't" is supposed to represent that majority????? Exhibit A: Double talk.

So I guess if this was some 50 years ago you would say that blacks shouldn't be allowed to share drinking fountains because there has to be a limit somewhere.

People can live w/o a marriage license, they can't survive w/o WATER. You're right, that's exactly the same.

You would be the type of person who would have been for segragation.

Funny, how I've been involved in a bi-racial relationship longer than you've probably been alive, employ 8 different nationalities in my business, coach little league which has kids from all over the world, I have friends from all walks of life, and yet you fill your mouth with something so moronica as that? Just because I don't agree with something you do doesn't make me a Nazi. You're not lilly white anglo either. How bout I make some assumptions about you? Would you like that? Then you better start showing some respect or this could get ugly quick.

I have not "double talked" or tried to have it both ways yet.

Yes you did. You are contending that it's strictly about "love" and all those warm and fuzzy things, yet that has nothing to do with the stance of the very people you are defending.

I keep trying to get you to understand this small detail. IT DOES NOT HURT OR IMPEDE YOU IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM...IT MAKES TWO PEOPLE HAPPY AND DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING BESIDES THEY CAN SAY THEY ARE MARRIED.

If it in fact is soooo simple, then why all the hoopla? Noone is making Gay people stop being "gay". Noone is burning down their homes or businesses. Noone is saying they have to ride in the back of the bus. Noone is directly persecuting them or ostracising them by not allowing them to legally marry. So, why all the fuss? Might it be because it's a little MORE complicated than a "simple piece of paper"????? HMMMMMMM.......it seems that makes a complete circle then HUH? Again, you can't have it both ways. You can't say marriage is a simple piece of paper, only to then argue its all important. You can't say what's the big deal, only to then put so much importance on "marriage". Get it? Probably not.

Why do you even have an opinion on the topic if it doesn't affect you? And yes it does affect me, I have friends who are gay and I stand up for my friends. If I disagreed with them I wouldn't. Are you really just a homophobe?

You want a cookie? What, so now only people that know Gays can have an opinion? Only people that are friends with Gay people know what's fair for them? Are you gay? If not, by your justification, then you too shouldn't have an opinion on this either now should you. It doesn't affect you.....

BTW, if you wanna take the gloves off and take it to a personal level, I'd be happy to obligue. I'm very transparent. What you see is what you get. You're the second person that's called me something I'm not simply because you can't phathom in your vast array of neurons in your noggin that someone doesn't have to agree with you to respect you. So, I will only ask you once to not call me names unless you want to go personal. If you want to take the gloves off, just let me know. Otherwise, respect me like I'm respecting you and we can debate until the cows come home.

[quickdodge®]

yea but your just being like those people that judge you

Yea I know. Lolol. Later, QD.

[blacknightteg]

.....i could seriously say something mean but im not gunna

[Hulud]

hey jaime were you referring to me calling you names?

[Jaimecbr900]

we're keeping it religiously free because there is no way to prove or disprove religion so that would get everyone no where.

Really? You actually have thought out that and came to that conclusion? Well, let me ask you a simple question then.......how come if all these atheists have came up with the good ole "big bang theory" of how we all got here and how they've micro-disected everything to come up with how single celled organisms mixed and formed multi-cell organisms like us........how come none of these "brilliant" minds have ever been able to REPLICATE it????? Just a thought. That would make mindless single celled organisms SMARTER than them now wouldn't it?

and what did i say that was so foul and unwarranted? i dont see it.

Then go back a few pages and re-read your own quotes about God this and God that. I wasn't the only person that didn't take a liking to that. So, why would it be surprising to you?

and dont assume you know why i called that person a hypocrite because you obviously dont have any idea why. its not because they are christian, i have many friends who are christians. this person is a hypocrite saying things and doin the opposite, saying "you are wrong for doing that" then doing it, this person judges others christians are not supposed to judge others. so nextime before you go one making an assumption stop and think about what was said.

You are right. I didn't see it from that angle. You do also have to remember that noone is perfect. Everyone can falter at any time. Noone can or should claim to be perfect. That also does not claim to discredit them as Christians either. So you have to see it from that angle too.

[Hulud]

Yea I know. Lolol. Later, QD.

ok........

[Jaimecbr900]

hey jaime were you referring to me calling you names?

I don't remember. Did you call me a homophobe too?

[quickdodge®]

.....i could seriously say something mean but im not gunna

Towards.... Later, QD.

[blacknightteg]

jaimes religious veiws

[Hulud]

Really? You actually have thought out that and came to that conclusion? Well, let me ask you a simple question then.......how come if all these atheists have came up with the good ole "big bang theory" of how we all got here and how they've micro-disected everything to come up with how single celled organisms mixed and formed multi-cell organisms like us........how come none of these "brilliant" minds have ever been able to REPLICATE it????? Just a thought. That would make mindless single celled organisms SMARTER than them now wouldn't it?

ya know i dont know and i really just dont care about where we came from i just choose not to believe in any god. maybe the single celled organisms are smarter than us who knows. all i was saying is that there is no way to prove there is a god or to prove there is not a god.

You are right. I didn't see it from that angle. You do also have to remember that noone is perfect. Everyone can falter at any time. Noone can or should claim to be perfect. That also does not claim to discredit them as Christians either. So you have to see it from that angle too.

i never said anyone was perfect, but when someone is supposed to not judge someone (and claim they are christian) repeatedly then i would say they are not a good person.

[Hulud]

I don't remember. Did you call me a homophobe too?

nah that wasnt me i was just wondering, i couldnt tell if you were implying that is was me or not.

[blacknightteg]

I don't remember. Did you call me a homophobe too?

no, i was the one that ask you whether or not you were a homophobe like nere the begginning or middle of this thread

[Bajjani]

If you are referring the the homophobe comment, thats was literal not sarcastic, and if you take it offensively, well, thats not how it was intended. You just seem to not want them to be married period end of story and maybe you just don't want to know people are gay and the topic can come up when talking about someones married life, ignorance is bliss.

Marriage is a personal thing. Me, I'd be pissed if someone wouldn't let me marry the girl I wanted for any reason. Its a very PESRONAL thing. When I say personal I'm referring to the two people being married, friends, and family, not the whole damn nation. It is something important to an INDIVIDUAL, not to a NATION. "Get it?"

Did I say it was strictly abotu love? No, I said if two people are truely in love, let them be married, it doesn't hurt harm anyone and so what if it helps them with taxes. I'd be more worried about people who have kids for tax purposes.

Did I say you are in fact, right now, prejudice? Did I imply that right now, today, or throughout your life, you have been, are, were, will be, prejudice? No. I stated that your stance against gay marriage would be the same as if you were in a debate about black rights defending pro-segragation. Simple enough?

So people can't survive w/o Marijuana then? People do fight for Marijuana to be legalized, but there is proof that it harms you. There is facts that it doesn't help you at all. We have enough legalized shit in this world to fuck us up as it is. Gay marriage does NOT hurt anyone.

When did I say the gov't should represent the majority? Please, point that exact statement out. If I said it then I didn't intend to. I said the government should protect peoples rights and freedoms. There are people who don't like fast cars and turbos because people race with them and get killed. There are people who don't think old folks should be allowed to drive because they have slow reactions. They still allow both of those. There are tons and tons of topics in which majority may not agree with but it is allowed anyways. The Gov't is suppose to PROTECT peoples rights.

The whole your opinion is better and more important goes to the majority comment. You are saying the majority agrees with you, the majority must be right, because they are in the majority. Therefore their veiws, and yours, must be right and the views in which we should listen to.

Where it gets me everytime is the fact that it causes no harm or hinderence to you but you stand against it so much

[Jaimecbr900]

Marriage is a personal thing. Me, I'd be pissed if someone wouldn't let me marry the girl I wanted for any reason. Its a very PESRONAL thing. When I say personal I'm referring to the two people being married, friends, and family, not the whole damn nation. It is something important to an INDIVIDUAL, not to a NATION. "Get it?"

I agree, yet I don't see how a "piece of paper" is going to suddenly make it acceptable and all rosy with your friends and family. If they didn't accept it before, they probably won't even with a paper that says it's now legal. I understand what you're saying, but once again this is why I said you were wanting it both ways. You can't say it's not acceptance or something else using the example you gave above. Now, I turn the question the other way: How is MY view going to affect YOUR decision to marry anyone or love or live with or whatever other variation there is?

Did I say you are in fact, right now, prejudice? Did I imply that right now, today, or throughout your life, you have been, are, were, will be, prejudice? No. I stated that your stance against gay marriage would be the same as if you were in a debate about black rights defending pro-segragation. Simple enough?

Understood differently now that you've clarified it.

So people can't survive w/o Marijuana then? People do fight for Marijuana to be legalized, but there is proof that it harms you. There is facts that it doesn't help you at all. We have enough legalized shit in this world to fuck us up as it is. Gay marriage does NOT hurt anyone.

Again, that is your opinion too. Substitute the words "Gay marriage" everywhere you used Marijuana above. There are people that strongly would agree with your paragraph then. They truly feel and can articulate how there are "harms" and "hurt" from homosexuality. How's that make them any more wrong than you?

the government should protect peoples rights and freedoms. There are people who don't like fast cars and turbos because people race with them and get killed. There are people who don't think old folks should be allowed to drive because they have slow reactions. They still allow both of those. There are tons and tons of topics in which majority may not agree with but it is allowed anyways. The Gov't is suppose to PROTECT peoples rights.

What you don't want to understand is that there are NO RIGHTS tied to marriage. Not for Gays and NOT for ME either. Right now, if the state of GA decides that you are not a good candidate for a marriage license, they simply don't give you one. You can't even sue them about it. There ARE NO RIGHTS TO MARRIAGE ANYWHERE IN THE U.S. NO WHERE. So what is there for the Gov't TO protect if there is nothing there?

The whole your opinion is better and more important goes to the majority comment. You are saying the majority agrees with you, the majority must be right, because they are in the majority. Therefore their veiws, and yours, must be right and the views in which we should listen to.

Again, noone has yet come up with any other possible scenario on how to reach a decision. Everyone is saying, "well, just because", well that's no different than the opposition. Come up with something better than a vote yourself then.

Where it gets me everytime is the fact that it causes no harm or hinderence to you but you stand against it so much

I stand against for a few reasons. Harm to me directly is not the only litmus for having an opinion one way or the other. It goes a lot deeper than simply saying, what harm does it do to YOU? That is looking at things with blinders on IMO.

[Bajjani]

Don't expect a response soon, I'll respond 2nite when I get back to my dorm I'm leavin work soon

[Jaimecbr900]

jaimes religious veiws

You couldn't hold my jock strap in a religion debate, but you're welcomed to try.

[quickdodge®]

Lolol. He'd sure like to try, though. Later, QD.

[blacknightteg]

do you really even need a jock strap tho? i doubt you have the big enough balls or dick to even need one.......but neways i wasnt stating i wanted to challenge you in a dumbass religious debate cuz i know our views are completely differnt. thats why i stated that statement, cuz by some of your STRONG views i kind of get the idea of wat your religion is, nothing wrong with that. i jus dont have the greatest respect for it

[Jaimecbr900]

do you really even need a jock strap tho? i doubt you have the big enough balls or dick to even need one.....

Big words spoken by such a little man. I tell you what, let's find out how big your little nads are. Why don't you come up and introduce yourself next time you see me at a show or something? That way you can come back and report to everyone how wrong you were about the size of mine.......

..but neways i wasnt stating i wanted to challenge you in a dumbass religious debate cuz i know our views are completely differnt. thats why i stated that statement, cuz by some of your STRONG views i kind of get the idea of wat your religion is, nothing wrong with that.

Then why would you say anything derrogatory about it then? If you say there's nothing "wrong with that"? Besides, when you're ready to start a debate on religion, you're welcome to open a thread and go for it. I'll be happy to join in. Until then, what's my religious view have to do with this topic?

i jus dont have the greatest respect for it

Considering that comment is coming from someone that thinks a tape worm is a cool sig.......

[Kevykev]

ok, i think i missed something here guys?

[Hulud]

yea i think you missed a lot

[quickdodge®]

Considering that comment is coming from someone that thinks a tape worm is a cool sig.....

Sorry, but I had to lolol at that. Later, QD.

[blacknightteg]

wow jaime...your cool....making fun of a sig......damn that goes right to the heart

[Hulud]

ok enough bashing each other.....so how about gay marriage?

[Jaimecbr900]

wow jaime...your cool....making fun of a sig......damn that goes right to the heart

I made fun of more than just your sig.

You wanna let it die or keep going?

[Jaimecbr900]

ok enough bashing each other.....so how about gay marriage?

I think the discussion has reached sort of an end pass. Neither side is really disproving the other.

[Kevykev]

I think the discussion has reached sort of an end pass.

I though this happend last week man? :confused:

but hey it's fine "Gay" discussions attracts lots of opinions.

[Jaimecbr900]

but hey it's fine "Gay" discussions attracts lots of opinions.

Don't they????? It's usually cause my big mouth jumps in every one of them.....

[Hulud]

I think the discussion has reached sort of an end pass. Neither side is really disproving the other.

it sure does bring lots of opinions its kinda sad that its dying now
i feel like a part of me is dying.....lol

[Bajjani]

neither sides opinion is going to change I think, either people are stubborn or feel that strongly about their side. Either way, its just a discussion not so much a debate...

[Hulud]

yea so are we still gonna talk about it?

[DrivenMind]

i think it's dumb, people who can't produce their own children don't NEED to be married. it's stupid. they deserve the right to be married just like anyone else, but it's not important that they be married and they can go other places to do it if they'd like.

Want gay marriage? get a sex change. problem solved ?

[Hulud]

what about the benefits? health care etc.?

[DrivenMind]

what about the benefits? health care etc.?

hmmm... I never looked at it that way. What about the drawbacks?