Cmon lets hear it i want your take on it...
Gay Marriage
Cmon lets hear it i want your take on it...
Val for President
kill em all
Originally Posted by carrascopa
i agree
i agree as well...something is wrong upstairs when someone is gay
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Why? Because you say so? Maybe someone who is gay thinks something is wrong with you upstairs because you like women. It's how they are and what they find attractive. So what? Unless you're unsure of what you enjoy in the bedroom, then you shouldn't have a problem with what goes on in others' bedrooms.
Why does anyone care? God loves everyone. It looks to me like you're the only ones judging, not Him.
Val for President.
w/ divorce rate over 50% who fucking cares... trying to preserve marriage went out the window back in the 60's.... its amazing the people fighting over this topic... what the hell does the goverment have to do w/ who you should marry? they shouldn't have any rights in this topic... you should be able to marry a sheep if thats what you want. fucking gonzo had camilla(muppet babies); lol. maybe people should worry more important issues like SS, Medicare, Gas prices, War, education, enviroment, etc...
i agree with you
Val for President
I couldn't agree more!
THAT'S MY JAM!
same here.
If I recall correctly, then there is nothing against living in a social partnership with your significant other (male/male, female/female) which would allow you leave your possessions entitled to them in case your or they were killed or whatever.
The only difference between a social partnership and marriage is a ring, a vow, and a certificate. Also, married couples do receive tax breaks which has been brought up as the primary drive for homosexual coupling. It's no surprise that the origins are based with money. There is nothing stopping you from having a makeshift wedding, exchanging vows, and what-not. The government will just not recognize your "marriage" and therefore not permit you to the tax breaks.
That's about it.
I normally don't get that involoved into these conversations but i see alot of people bringing up the bible when it comes to homosexuality so i figured this would help:
The Bible contains only four verses about same gender sexual relations: two in Leviticus and two in the New Testament. Leviticus says that "you shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" (Lev 18:22), and "if a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them" (Lev 20:13). The same scripture says that cursing your mother and father is also punishable by death (Lev 20:9) as is sex with the wife of a neighbor (Lev 20:10), one's father's wife (Lev 20:11), daughter-in-law (Lev 20:12), both a woman and her mother (20:14), or an animal (Lev 20:15-16). Other acts, punishable by exile, according to Leviticus are seeing family members naked and having sex during menstruation (Lev 20:17-21).
In the New Testament, the opening passages of Romans condemn pagan practices. It then denounces sex with someone of the same gender: "For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural" (Rom 1:26), "and in the same way, also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error" (Rom 1:27). In addition, verses in 1 Corinthians (6:9-10) and 1 Timothy (1:10) equate "fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites" with other sinners such as the "greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers" (1 Cor 6:9-10). But, these two books never offer definitions for these terms.
It is, at best, inaccurate to use scripture to condemn committed, consensual same-gender sexual relationships. The fact that only four verses explicitly address this issue implies that this subject was of relatively little importance to the authors. In contrast, there are more than ten prohibitions in Leviticus against sexual relations during menses and 17 verses on how to make a grain offering. The Hebrew Bible also condemns eating fat (Lev 3:17), touching the bedding of a menstruating woman (Lev 15:20), and cursing one's parents (Lev 20:9, Deut 21:18-21).
Most modern theologians believe that these passages about men having sex with men actually related to the rejection of nearby foreign cults (Lev 20:22-23). Such cults practiced sacred prostitution--often using male prostitutes--during religious observances. Prostitution was an accepted part of urban society during biblical times (see 1 Kings 22:38, Isa 23:16, Prov 7:12, and 9:14); cultic prostitution (or prostitution as part of religious practice) was, however, clearly condemned. Deuteronomy and Numbers contain several prohibitions against such prostitution (Deut 23:18 and Num 25:1-3) but none on same-gender relations. Many theologians believe that Leviticus refers only to the use of male sacred prostitutes, a practice not completely eradicated in the Temple until the reforms of Josiah (1Kings 15:12 22:45; 2Kings 23:7)4
Interestingly, there are several little quoted passages in the Bible that acknowledge sexual contact and love between men. For example, Abraham asks his servant to swear an oath by putting "your hand under my thigh" (Gen 24:2). David, speaking of Jonathan, wrote: "...greatly beloved were you to me, your love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women" (2 Sam 1:26). Indeed, Jonathan and David seem to fall in love at first sight: "...when David had finished speaking to Saul, the soul of Jonathan was bound to the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul" (1 Sam 18:1). And later, "Saul's son Jonathan took great delight in David" ( 1 Sam 19:1).
Swifty
If I were a lesbian full time and she was the hottest girl ever... yeah then gay marriage rocks.... but since I am not and I see no hot girls... I could care less...
We have heatedly discussed this topic at length. It is pretty much black and white for both sides. No real gray area here.
Everybody knows I don't personally agree with it for many reasons.
the gov't should not be able to say who you can and cannot be married to
Val for President
I don't really care, but most religous people do. There is still a percentage of people that want to preserve whats left of the image of marriage.
My take is if 2 lesbians live together for 30 yrs, one dies, they should be entitled to the others life insurance, house, 401K, etc just like a married couple since they have been together for so long.
Being gay is wrong peroid
That's an OPINION...not a fact.
You need to get out more........
true
Val for President
Naw man it aint no opinion its a fact. Well im not trying to bring chunch in 2 this but... Its a sen to be gay right??? 2 men together aint right. God made male and female Not!!! male male or female female. So u telling me that being gay is right???
Last edited by Mr.Big; 04-06-2005 at 12:54 AM.
EXACTLY! Nobody sees anything wrong with denying someone something because of who they love? I mean, it is their BELIEF that what they are doing is right. Is there a victim in this "crime"? Politicians are saying its a moral issue. Politicians?The same politicians who receive under the table deals, are caught in hotel rooms smoking crack with hookers, the same who get drunk driving charges while in office?
I can care less about what goes on in the bedroom of other people. But I dont buy "protecting the sancaty of marriage" by saying gay people cant marry. LOL, if this country was so "religous", then why are there states that still sell alcohol on sunday? Why dont we outlaw premarital sex? Divorce as well! Anal and oral sex has gotta go! I mean, I dont agree with any of that, but doesnt that all look like a spit in the face of what a good marriage looks like?
Government has no place in the bedroom, the private lives as others as well. Hell, there are people who can argue that there is something wrong with interracial dating! And guess what? It can be legitimized by the bible! Ive learned a lot in my life about how people can use the bible to legitimize anything. People blow up abortion clinics and gay nightclubs claiming that its gods work. And its funny how people become all for religion when it talks about gay marriage, but are the same people you see commiting other sins. We all sin, but how is one sin better or worse than the other???? I mean, if you eat catfish, that is a sin! Pork, sin. You smoke, sinnin! If you ever dropped a "GD", sin. And guess what? Every gay/lesbian couple isnt based on a christianity! Some people are atheist! So therefore its not in violation of their religion, so they are being restricted by others?
Just a little food for thought...
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I agree ^. But it doesn't always have to be about the money. people get married to show they are commited to each other and proud of who they are with. Its a "special" bond. why can't gay people express the same? Talk about sins, so i guess you've never lied in your life huh? God, or whoever you believe in, doesn't expect everyone to be 100% perfect. Whats the difference in being gay and telling a lie to someone? Is there one sin that is greater than the other?
Swifty
^^^ Opinions are like assholes......... Later, QD.
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like the old saying goes you cant help who you love...so if a guy wants to marry another guy then go for it...same with females if you want to marry a female...then so be it like paul said WHO FUCKING CARES
grand prix.....
if thats what they want thats between them and the man above.
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Quote "Naw man it aint no opinion its a fact. Well im not trying to bring chunch in 2 this but... Its a sen to be gay right??? 2 men together aint right. God made male and female Not!!! male male or female female. So u telling me that being gay is right???"
man i so agree with you but with the way the world is nowadays it just crazy. like i said ill let the man above deal with em!!
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I think God is more concerned with bigger things than who you want to marry. And we as a country should be, too. When did it turn okay for the gov't to control our love lives?
Val for President.
True But God has rules and if people do not follow them u will have to deal with him later on anyway
Maybe your God does. Not everyone goes for that shit. Later, QD.
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yup
Val for President
amen, brotha! preach on!
Val for President.
"god"
Val for President
Interesting statement.
Anyway, here's my take. Being gay is unnatural, that is the simple truth, who can argue that?
I have absolutely nothing against the gay community but i know that if gay marriages are legalized alot of other issues will follow.
There's people that think that murder should be legalized, and the would have a great justifiable argument to support it.
But Legalizing that would cause other problems to arise.
Leisa and S. 4 Life NM?
I doubt that, seriously. It's kind of obvious that there is no reason for murder to legalized. being gay is a lifestyle that won't harm another person.
I don't see any problems coming out of it. Like I said, it doesn't affect me, I see no reason to worry about it. Let them be them. Later, QD.
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Gay does harm u AIDS!!!!!
stop being fuckin ignorant and open your eyes, gays are not the reason there is aids. Damn your ignorant.
And i will not "chill out with that shit"
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Last edited by Hulud; 04-06-2005 at 11:08 PM.
Val for President
that comment is so ignorant. Thats why i said you were being ignorant.
If you dont like it then dont say ignorant comments.
AIDS did not develop because of gays. It developed from a monkey, now tell me why gays harm you again?
Val for President
Quote "I think God is more concerned with bigger things than who you want to marry. And we as a country should be, too. When did it turn okay for the gov't to control our love lives?"
ummmm.... bigger??? i think fucking up his plan for man is pretty big. i think if we were asked to vote for it (as a country) than its pretty big also. im not trying to be an ass about it, but if you want to marry a man and your a man its your life you can fuck it up i dont care.
One Big Ass Mistake America
^ well put... it is amazing people like to use christianity to fit their own means... yet, they commit sins if not worse ones themselves. I find it amazing we have a president who can so easily stand up and say he is on the side of "life over death" in any case yet he comes from the state w/ the most executions every yearPeople blow up abortion clinics and gay nightclubs claiming that its gods work. And its funny how people become all for religion when it talks about gay marriage, but are the same people you see commiting other sins. We all sin, but how is one sin better or worse than the other???? I mean, if you eat catfish, that is a sin! Pork, sin. You smoke, sinnin! If you ever dropped a "GD", sin. And guess what? Every gay/lesbian couple isnt based on a christianity! Some people are atheist! So therefore its not in violation of their religion, so they are being restricted by others?
What some of you are failing to see is that there has to be boundaries to everything.
If there is no "definition" of "legal" marriage, then why wouldn't somebody suddenly want to "marry" their sibling or a goat or a monkey? And then in turn, the gov't be FORCED to send that sibling, goat, or monkey a CHECK from mine and yours tax dollars when the idiot kills over dead. What about polygamy? It is illegal here in the states, although in some religions it is acceptable. What's wrong with that then? What about a 50yr old man wanting to marry a 12 yr old girl? It's against the law now, but according to some of yall's definition of marriage it COULD and SHOULD be allowed. What about a couple that only LIVES together but want "spousal" benefits? How are you gonna limit that? Couldn't EVERYBODY "say" they're "married" in order to get benefits they are otherwise NOT entitled to? What would that do to the costs of all of us that ARE in fact legally married when we go apply for the same benefits? Where do you think the additional costs are gonna be passed on to?
Again, it all boils down to limits. This was never an issue before because it was understood that marriage was legal only between opposite sexes.
BTW, the majority of the arguments stem from MONEY. Benefits this and money that. Do yall realize that anyone can bequeath anything they want to whomever they want NOW? Tax burden aside, IF the big argument is leaving money to a "significant other" IS in fact that big a deal.....why not bequeath it to them then? If you can leave money to your dog, you can leave money to your gay lover too. What's the beef?
Yall are right about one thing though. This should not be just a religious issue. I have not once mentioned religion above, yet gave 50 different reasons why there HAS to be legal definition of marriage. Not one of those arguments had to do with religion or beliefs.
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