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Gay Marriage
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kill em all
Originally Posted by carrascopa
w/ divorce rate over 50% who fucking cares... trying to preserve marriage went out the window back in the 60's.... its amazing the people fighting over this topic... what the hell does the goverment have to do w/ who you should marry? they shouldn't have any rights in this topic... you should be able to marry a sheep if thats what you want. fucking gonzo had camilla(muppet babies); lol. maybe people should worry more important issues like SS, Medicare, Gas prices, War, education, enviroment, etc...
If I were a lesbian full time and she was the hottest girl ever... yeah then gay marriage rocks.... but since I am not and I see no hot girls... I could care less...
We have heatedly discussed this topic at length. It is pretty much black and white for both sides. No real gray area here.
Everybody knows I don't personally agree with it for many reasons.
i agree with you
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the gov't should not be able to say who you can and cannot be married to
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I don't really care, but most religous people do. There is still a percentage of people that want to preserve whats left of the image of marriage.
My take is if 2 lesbians live together for 30 yrs, one dies, they should be entitled to the others life insurance, house, 401K, etc just like a married couple since they have been together for so long.
Being gay is wrong peroid
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like the old saying goes you cant help who you love...so if a guy wants to marry another guy then go for it...same with females if you want to marry a female...then so be it like paul said WHO FUCKING CARES
grand prix.....
That's an OPINION...not a fact.
You need to get out more........
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if thats what they want thats between them and the man above.
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Naw man it aint no opinion its a fact. Well im not trying to bring chunch in 2 this but... Its a sen to be gay right??? 2 men together aint right. God made male and female Not!!! male male or female female. So u telling me that being gay is right???
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Quote "Naw man it aint no opinion its a fact. Well im not trying to bring chunch in 2 this but... Its a sen to be gay right??? 2 men together aint right. God made male and female Not!!! male male or female female. So u telling me that being gay is right???"
man i so agree with you but with the way the world is nowadays it just crazy. like i said ill let the man above deal with em!!
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I think God is more concerned with bigger things than who you want to marry. And we as a country should be, too. When did it turn okay for the gov't to control our love lives?
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True But God has rules and if people do not follow them u will have to deal with him later on anyway
Quote "I think God is more concerned with bigger things than who you want to marry. And we as a country should be, too. When did it turn okay for the gov't to control our love lives?"
ummmm.... bigger??? i think fucking up his plan for man is pretty big. i think if we were asked to vote for it (as a country) than its pretty big also. im not trying to be an ass about it, but if you want to marry a man and your a man its your life you can fuck it up i dont care.
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EXACTLY! Nobody sees anything wrong with denying someone something because of who they love? I mean, it is their BELIEF that what they are doing is right. Is there a victim in this "crime"? Politicians are saying its a moral issue. Politicians?The same politicians who receive under the table deals, are caught in hotel rooms smoking crack with hookers, the same who get drunk driving charges while in office?
I can care less about what goes on in the bedroom of other people. But I dont buy "protecting the sancaty of marriage" by saying gay people cant marry. LOL, if this country was so "religous", then why are there states that still sell alcohol on sunday? Why dont we outlaw premarital sex? Divorce as well! Anal and oral sex has gotta go! I mean, I dont agree with any of that, but doesnt that all look like a spit in the face of what a good marriage looks like?
Government has no place in the bedroom, the private lives as others as well. Hell, there are people who can argue that there is something wrong with interracial dating! And guess what? It can be legitimized by the bible! Ive learned a lot in my life about how people can use the bible to legitimize anything. People blow up abortion clinics and gay nightclubs claiming that its gods work. And its funny how people become all for religion when it talks about gay marriage, but are the same people you see commiting other sins. We all sin, but how is one sin better or worse than the other???? I mean, if you eat catfish, that is a sin! Pork, sin. You smoke, sinnin! If you ever dropped a "GD", sin. And guess what? Every gay/lesbian couple isnt based on a christianity! Some people are atheist! So therefore its not in violation of their religion, so they are being restricted by others?
Just a little food for thought...
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^ well put... it is amazing people like to use christianity to fit their own means... yet, they commit sins if not worse ones themselves. I find it amazing we have a president who can so easily stand up and say he is on the side of "life over death" in any case yet he comes from the state w/ the most executions every yearPeople blow up abortion clinics and gay nightclubs claiming that its gods work. And its funny how people become all for religion when it talks about gay marriage, but are the same people you see commiting other sins. We all sin, but how is one sin better or worse than the other???? I mean, if you eat catfish, that is a sin! Pork, sin. You smoke, sinnin! If you ever dropped a "GD", sin. And guess what? Every gay/lesbian couple isnt based on a christianity! Some people are atheist! So therefore its not in violation of their religion, so they are being restricted by others?
What some of you are failing to see is that there has to be boundaries to everything.
If there is no "definition" of "legal" marriage, then why wouldn't somebody suddenly want to "marry" their sibling or a goat or a monkey? And then in turn, the gov't be FORCED to send that sibling, goat, or monkey a CHECK from mine and yours tax dollars when the idiot kills over dead. What about polygamy? It is illegal here in the states, although in some religions it is acceptable. What's wrong with that then? What about a 50yr old man wanting to marry a 12 yr old girl? It's against the law now, but according to some of yall's definition of marriage it COULD and SHOULD be allowed. What about a couple that only LIVES together but want "spousal" benefits? How are you gonna limit that? Couldn't EVERYBODY "say" they're "married" in order to get benefits they are otherwise NOT entitled to? What would that do to the costs of all of us that ARE in fact legally married when we go apply for the same benefits? Where do you think the additional costs are gonna be passed on to?
Again, it all boils down to limits. This was never an issue before because it was understood that marriage was legal only between opposite sexes.
BTW, the majority of the arguments stem from MONEY. Benefits this and money that. Do yall realize that anyone can bequeath anything they want to whomever they want NOW? Tax burden aside, IF the big argument is leaving money to a "significant other" IS in fact that big a deal.....why not bequeath it to them then? If you can leave money to your dog, you can leave money to your gay lover too. What's the beef?
Yall are right about one thing though. This should not be just a religious issue. I have not once mentioned religion above, yet gave 50 different reasons why there HAS to be legal definition of marriage. Not one of those arguments had to do with religion or beliefs.
So straight people are incapable of doing this too? Has anyone ever looked at the divorce rate for Gay and Lesbian relationships? Im looking for it online, but I remember it being EXTREMELY low. Like less than 8%. Compare that to the percentage of straight divorces.Couldn't EVERYBODY "say" they're "married" in order to get benefits they are otherwise NOT entitled to? What would that do to the costs of all of us that ARE in fact legally married when we go apply for the same benefits? Where do you think the additional costs are gonna be passed on to?
Hey, maybe sex with a goat wouldnt end up in divorce, but a goat cant do things like give sexual consent, so that may be one of many reasons its illegal. A 12 year old girl isnt seen as capable of making a decision such as marriage, that is why it requires the consent of her guardian [and hey, it happens].
Polygamy. Yea, some religions find it ok. One is Islam. You can have as many as 4 wives. Some see a problem with that. I dont. Because people leave out the part that says that you must treat each as equals, and you cant even think of doing it unless you are financially and emotionally capable. Its not seen as "Oh, I get to sleep around with different women". Plus its not as common as many think as well. I think thats the problem, with this issue and gay marriage. People cant focus past the gay sex, and sex with multiple woman. There is more to a relationship than kissing and having sex.
But at the same time, why shouldnt two women or men share the same benefit as a man and a woman? Because of their sexual preference? I mean, why not have a man and woman do the same? Then there are some who actually get married for love, and to show commitment to the person they are with, the exact same way a straight couple would. Nobody see anything wrong with denying people the same privelages as others because they are gay? Thats what it boils down to. IF you are gay, you cant do X. Set limits, I agree, but in a different light. Because if we dont set a limit on this soon, soon it will be if you are X you cant do B. I think the convo has had a money focus because we are talking government. The government isnt really known to operate based on emotion, and its hard to translate that into FACT. I mean, when you get married you fill out paperwork, but it has nowhere requesting information on why you love someone, how you met, how much you love the other, what you plan on doing in case of problems. Its a political issue. I dont think "I love this man!" holds up as valid convo because many people find it hard two people of the same sex loving each other [I know I do].BTW, the majority of the arguments stem from MONEY. Benefits this and money that. Do yall realize that anyone can bequeath anything they want to whomever they want NOW? Tax burden aside, IF the big argument is leaving money to a "significant other" IS in fact that big a deal.....why not bequeath it to them then? If you can leave money to your dog, you can leave money to your gay lover too. What's the beef?
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GOD DAMN
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^ lol
there i said it, nothings going to happen to me because there is no god to me
i just dont understand why people live their life in fear of what some book says will happen to you. who wrote it? humans. so who says that they (even if they were talking to "god") wrote down what "it" said. humans are not perfect they will not tell the truth, wouldnt they write down what they wanted? More than what something told them? I think that the bible has great points in it and "jesus" was a great person. No one does as the bible says, which is disheartening.
Also with the governemental side of this, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" Opening of the declaration of independence. So why can they say who can and cant be married? Also we are not a religious country, we have no official religion and there is separation of church and state right? So where the hell do they get off thinking "we will use religion as an excuse"?
Dont people love others based on the inside anymore? How can you not see how someone would love another person of the same sex? Do you love someone for how they look FrnkPwrs? Just a thought....
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I agree ^. But it doesn't always have to be about the money. people get married to show they are commited to each other and proud of who they are with. Its a "special" bond. why can't gay people express the same? Talk about sins, so i guess you've never lied in your life huh? God, or whoever you believe in, doesn't expect everyone to be 100% perfect. Whats the difference in being gay and telling a lie to someone? Is there one sin that is greater than the other?
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Maybe your God does. Not everyone goes for that shit. Later, QD.
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yup
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i agree
amen, brotha! preach on!
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"god"
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i agree as well...something is wrong upstairs when someone is gay
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Why? Because you say so? Maybe someone who is gay thinks something is wrong with you upstairs because you like women. It's how they are and what they find attractive. So what? Unless you're unsure of what you enjoy in the bedroom, then you shouldn't have a problem with what goes on in others' bedrooms.
Why does anyone care? God loves everyone. It looks to me like you're the only ones judging, not Him.
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Exactly. Gay people don't bother me because I don't let it. I got more worries than to sit around and worry about what benefits gay people get or why they're gay. It's not my problem. It's not their problem. It's their life. Later, QD.
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Interesting statement.
Anyway, here's my take. Being gay is unnatural, that is the simple truth, who can argue that?
I have absolutely nothing against the gay community but i know that if gay marriages are legalized alot of other issues will follow.
There's people that think that murder should be legalized, and the would have a great justifiable argument to support it.
But Legalizing that would cause other problems to arise.
Leisa and S. 4 Life NM?
I doubt that, seriously. It's kind of obvious that there is no reason for murder to legalized. being gay is a lifestyle that won't harm another person.
I don't see any problems coming out of it. Like I said, it doesn't affect me, I see no reason to worry about it. Let them be them. Later, QD.
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yea how can you compare murder and being gay?
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