Best Boosted B-series?

[Vteckidd]

well the 6 b16s ive had RINGLANDS blow up ive had to rebuild beg to differ than 300whp is reliable.
you were lucky, thats all, to my customers, 300whp every day is NOT RELIABLE, the stock motors arent designed to handle that , sorry

i BUILD cars for customers that dont expect to rebuild their motors every month. While it might be ok for YOU to do this, an push the limits so aggresively, its not what we do. We push the limits, but within reason.

[TypeRSi2o3]

H&M motorsports home of the daily drivin bone stock 300 whp @ 10 psi ls/vtec 1yr strong not even smokin yet holla

[Vteckidd]

H&M motorsports home of the daily drivin bone stock 300 whp @ 10 psi ls/vtec 1yr strong not even smokin yet holla

yeah we tuned it lol

you cant tell me im wrong when i have PERSONAL experieince.

ISP has had succes with 300whp+ stock motors. We have had SOME successes and some failures, thats why i said its not RELIABLE.

if you really want to blame the tuning, i can post the a/f graphs along with the timing tables if you like for every car we have ever dynoed.

ITS NOT A TUNING ISSUE, its a RINGLAND issue on the B16s, its a CAST piston issue on the honda motors, period.

i have $100 ill bet anyone , bring your stock gsr up here an ill take it to 400wh[ on pump gas an if it lasts longer than 15 pulls, ill give you the money

[Turbogixxer]

you cant tell me im wrong when i have PERSONAL experieince.

I am sorry you have a ego, but you are wrong. Saying you have personal experience means nothing. Come on, all these people are doing this, but you have different experience?

The fact that I have done what you call "living on borrowed time" and never had a problem (within reason).


I really do not care about your a/f charts, because the odds are they are measured on the dyno wideband.

[Vteckidd]

I am sorry you have a ego, but you are wrong. Saying you have personal experience means nothing. Come on, all these people are doing this, but you have different experience?

Am i sposed to go by what HT says? im sorry but personal experience means alot then "i heard someone did this". what i meant was i cant tell you that YOUR wrong cause obviously there is a select few that have made over 300whp for awhile, an you cant tell me im wrong because i have seen cars make over that an blow up.

I dont know about you, but id rather go from personal experience than follow the crowd.

The fact that I have done what you call "living on borrowed time" and never had a problem (within reason).

that would be YOUR personal experience, you say its reliable, i think for a customer to ask me "is 300whp on a stock motor reliable" i would have to say no, from my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE:

Lances b16 turbo 10psi popped ringlands the second he went above 12psi
Jerrys ITR (same ringlands as b16 pistons) popped 1 month after he boosted it at 10psi
Mikes 2000 civic si blew within 1 week of 8psi of boost (popped ringlands)
Kevins b16 exploded a valve with a 75 shot of nitrous
Seans 00 Civic si popped after 3 months, ringlands collapsed
Reggies B16 DA popped ringlands after 2 weeks of 10psi

now we have tuned H+Ms LSVTEC that made over 300whp stock ls block, armans made like 290ish stock gsr, Matts Gt28Rs made 280whp stock gsr, Stickys stock gsr =270whp.

I would say to keep it RELIABLE because i know the composition an heat ranges of a CAST PISTON, would be between 250-280whp, for RELIABILITY. anything over that i think your on borrowed time. 1 detonation on a CAST pistons at 12-18psi, and the motor is DONE. One bad batch of gas from BP, motor is toast.

Now you say its reliable. well when you run a shop, and have to stand behind your statements, you might think differently. I would not feel good telling someone "so an so says 350whp is reliable, so lets do that", then after 2 months it grenades cause i know there is a good possibility that it will. Id rather tell them 280whp is reliable, an to enjoy it until they want to really push it.

Just like guys say taht 10,000rpms is reliable in an NA car, its not, i dont give a fuck who does it. Johnzm revved his STOCK block b16 to 10,000rpms for over a year, doesnt mean ill say its reliable.

make sense?

I really do not care about your a/f charts, because the odds are they are measured on the dyno wideband.

LOL an what else would you like me to use? a uego? PLX? HONDATA? our dyno wideband is MUCH more accurate than any other wideband, sorry. Matter of fact, we tuned a KPRO car last week, an his wideband on hondata was 1.5 points OFF from our dyno on the LEAN side. so had we used his wideband, it would have probably gotten us in trouble. We replace our wideband every 3-6 months, i HIGHLY doubt regular customers replace it that often.

Tuning is not the problem, the factory motor is

[B18c1Turboed]

Lances b16 turbo 10psi popped ringlands the second he went above 12psi
Jerrys ITR (same ringlands as b16 pistons) popped 1 month after he boosted it at 10psi
Mikes 2000 civic si blew within 1 week of 8psi of boost (popped ringlands)
Kevins b16 exploded a valve with a 75 shot of nitrous
Seans 00 Civic si popped after 3 months, ringlands collapsed
Reggies B16 DA popped ringlands after 2 weeks of 10psi

Wow all those motors on such low boost, obviously something else is wrong.
I would like to add me into this mix KNowledge Performance tuned my 1st motor this is before there was a ISP crew and i dynoed 320 on 18lbs on a Gsr motor,I beat the Hell out of that motor also, so obviously theres another proplem know we have a totally diffrent tuner Kevin and he never blew my motor.
I understand you stand behing your tuner and you should but there is another proplem, MIke i have a quick question who own MSP? becasue you make it sound like you can fire scotty if you didnt like him, just wondering did you buy in too that shop?

[Turbogixxer]

Am i sposed to go by what HT says?

Nope, but the point I am making. I am not the only one that is doing this. So, lets look at this for a bit.

You are saying you can not go over 230whp on a stock B16 without have problems. But, yet, other people have no problems (inculding me and my personal experience). You are the only that is seeming to have the problem, not other people.

Am i sposed to go by what HT says? im sorry but personal experience means alot then "i heard someone did this". what i meant was i cant tell you that YOUR wrong cause obviously there is a select few that have made over 300whp for awhile, an you cant tell me im wrong because i have seen cars make over that an blow up.

The fact that I have done the same or better then what they are saying, I would say I am backed up with facts.

I dont know about you, but id rather go from personal experience than follow the crowd.

I learn from other peoples mistakes as well as my own. I do not have a ego to get in the way of being a open minded person

that would be YOUR personal experience, you say its reliable, i think for a customer to ask me "is 300whp on a stock motor reliable" i would have to say no, from my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE:

Lances b16 turbo 10psi popped ringlands the second he went above 12psi
Jerrys ITR (same ringlands as b16 pistons) popped 1 month after he boosted it at 10psi
Mikes 2000 civic si blew within 1 week of 8psi of boost (popped ringlands)
Kevins b16 exploded a valve with a 75 shot of nitrous
Seans 00 Civic si popped after 3 months, ringlands collapsed
Reggies B16 DA popped ringlands after 2 weeks of 10psi

That means nothing, you know why? no specs on the set-up or WHP numbers.

1 detonation on a CAST pistons at 12-18psi, and the motor is DONE.

This statement right here shows what you know about tuning and turbocharging in general.

as others had said in the thread, psi has nothing to do with the detonation, octane of fuel, ablitly for a motor to hold pressure.

Now you say its reliable. well when you run a shop, and have to stand behind your statements, you might think differently. I would not feel good telling someone "so an so says 350whp is reliable, so lets do that", then after 2 months it grenades cause i know there is a good possibility that it will. Id rather tell them 280whp is reliable, an to enjoy it until they want to really push it.

Hahah, too funny. I know nothing about that or how to talk/treat a customer.

LOL an what else would you like me to use? a uego? PLX? HONDATA? our dyno wideband is MUCH more accurate than any other wideband, sorry. Matter of fact, we tuned a KPRO car last week, an his wideband on hondata was 1.5 points OFF from our dyno on the LEAN side. so had we used his wideband, it would have probably gotten us in trouble. We replace our wideband every 3-6 months, i HIGHLY doubt regular customers replace it that often.

Hondata has a wideband? I hope you are not using the stock k-series one.

Better question, why would you use a customers wideband? I use mine and mine only. Every dyno I have ever been on, has had a different reading. Even if I go to the same dyno, it is off.

[Vteckidd]

Nope, but the point I am making. I am not the only one that is doing this. So, lets look at this for a bit.

You are saying you can not go over 230whp on a stock B16 without have problems. But, yet, other people have no problems (inculding me and my personal experience). You are the only that is seeming to have the problem, not other people.

Wrong, i said i wouldnt ADVISE going over 230whp on a STOCK BLOCK b16, weak ringlands tend to crumble. I wouldnt advise it, if Ed tuned it, Evans tuned it, or god himself, i wouldnt advise it.

The fact that I have done the same or better then what they are saying, I would say I am backed up with facts.
I learn from other peoples mistakes as well as my own. I do not have a ego to get in the way of being a open minded person

no ego here sir, just facts.

That means nothing, you know why? no specs on the set-up or WHP numbers.

Basic T3 turbos for the most part on all those. 220-240whp setups, some having as little as 10k miles (ITR) others having over 100k.

This statement right here shows what you know about tuning and turbocharging in general.

Please , enlighten me. Detonation on a cast piston will destroy it, if you think you can having a TUNED car on the dyno saves tyou from detonation, you have alot to learn likewise. If someone is running their stock b16 or gsr block at 12-18psi and they detonate on it, its GOING to 1) blow a hole in a piston 2) break the ringland off. thats FACTS, not speculation.

as others had said in the thread, psi has nothing to do with the detonation, octane of fuel, ablitly for a motor to hold pressure.

Psi has NOTHING to do with deontation? hmmm, ever heard of CYLINDER TEMPS? EGTS? A boosted motor is MORE likely to detonate than an NA car, becuse of the added heat for the FORCED INDUCTION. are you kidding me? are we back to tuning 101? if you think detonation cant happen, go drive on one of our nice hot humid 100degree 99% humidity GA afternoons. If youd like me to get into load properties as a correlation to detonation i can do that too. when yor pushing a factory motor so far already, it takes less to blow it up.

Hahah, too funny. I know nothing about that or how to talk/treat a customer

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i dont know who you are so.....

Hondata has a wideband? I hope you are not using the stock k-series one.

Better question, why would you use a customers wideband? I use mine and mine only. Every dyno I have ever been on, has had a different reading. Even if I go to the same dyno, it is off.

ok you just said that

I really do not care about your a/f charts, because the odds are they are measured on the dyno wideband.

I didnt say we USED his wideband, i said we noticed his wideband was off compared to ours. meaning, if he had used his wideband to tune on the street , he prob would have gotten in trouble.

[B18c1Turboed]

AND THE TOPIC WAS BEST BOOSTED B SERIES MOTOR?

It didnt say is a B16 good too boost!!