Best Boosted B-series?

[Shawn]

Mike, you say you have been in the game for awhile, then see what has been proven. Shawn(nextelbuddy) did 326 on a stock GSR, tuned by Ed, never any problems. Peter did 420 on a stock GSR, tuned by Ed, no problems.

Tuners can make a name for themselves by pushing the envelope. st00pid made over 600 on a stock H22(one-fab the scammer, but still). This car lasted alot of 1/4 mile passes.

Im not trying to talk smack, I know Scotty tunes a lot of cars(he does, not you). But tuners make a name for themselves but doing great things and pushing the envelope. If you wanna play it safe you'll never make it anywhere. I hate to say this, but i know scotty plays it very safe, all the cars i have seen him tune run rich as shit and the rears of the cars are black as hell. Im not talking shit, but if you wanna push the motor a little more, take it to Ed.

[Vteckidd]

ill totally disagree with you. I do not tune the cars myself, youre correct. However, it doesnt mean i dont know whats going on.

We have to tune them safe, an we have made LOTS of power on several cars that have pushed the envelope (spoolins, s2000, 2JZ, Daniels, etc)

Im NOT saying its not possible, but its not RELIABLE, PERIOD. if you think it is, then we can agree to disagree.

Scotty pushed the envelope all the time, i think 260whp on a b16 is a little aggressive. But thats me, ive seen 6 of them in the last 6 months that have popped an we have had to rebuild them. thats my PERSONAL experience.

As far as comparing ed to scotty, IMO, there is no comparison, ive seen JUNK that ed has tuned as well. $1300 to tune my GFs ITR that runs 12:1 an made 162whp. it was the worst graph i have ever seen. And she was ripped off blatantly. Talk about black smoke on the back of a bumper....

I dont mind Ed, he makes good power on ISPs cars an a few others i have seen. But i stand behind scotty, otherwose i wouldnt have him here tuning for us so maybe im biased. To say that ED is aggresive is ludicrous, hes aggressibve on ISPs cars, maybe, but the average joe, no way in hell, hes as conservative as they come.

we'll push your car as much as you want, but if it pops, dont blame the tuning, cause ill pull the a/f grahps up an theyll be flat and where they are supposed to be, its your motor that failed. not my problem.

cheers

[1/4Mile]

we'll push your car as much as you want, but if it pops, dont blame the tuning, cause ill pull the a/f grahps up an theyll be flat and where they are supposed to be, its your motor that failed. not my problem.

cheers

Well said Mike, Scotty has tuned both my cousin's H23accord-t and Kid Battle(Srt-4) cars and all is well, and he'll be tuning H23accord-t new built H23 engine. Can't wait to see what happens. Good things, Good things

[B18c1Turboed]

I dont mind Ed, he makes good power on ISPs cars an a few others i have seen. But i stand behind scotty, otherwose i wouldnt have him here tuning for us so maybe im biased. To say that ED is aggresive is ludicrous, hes aggressibve on ISPs cars, maybe, but the average joe, no way in hell, hes as conservative as they come.

Just so you can read what MIke said

I think when it comes to Tuning ,some people on here are biased.I understand he works or contracts for you guys but that dont make someone else less of a tuner.

Especially since Ed has been tunning cars for 15 years and attentds all the classes to get better at tuning everyday!!

[BTEC]

Just so you can read what MIke said

I think when it comes to Tuning ,some people on here are biased.I understand he works or contracts for you guys but that dont make someone else less of a tuner.

Especially since Ed has been tunning cars for 15 years and attentds all the classes to get better at tuning everyday!!

ED IS THE MAN AND HAS BEEN FOR YEARS IN MY BOOK SINCE ENGINEERED PERFORMANCE. WITH THAT KINDA EXPERIENCE U SHOULD EXPECT MORE HORSEPOWER AND BETTER PERFORMANCE THAN U WOULD FROM A ROOKIE.

[scttydb411]

Im not trying to talk smack, I know Scotty tunes a lot of cars(he does, not you). But tuners make a name for themselves but doing great things and pushing the envelope. If you wanna play it safe you'll never make it anywhere. I hate to say this, but i know scotty plays it very safe, all the cars i have seen him tune run rich as shit and the rears of the cars are black as hell.

true, tuners can make a good name for themselves pushing the envelope, but also make a bad name for popping engines on the dyno. i push as far as the customer wants to go. if they ask my opinion i'll give it to them. a lot of time they say they want to daily drive and want it reliable and i make those recommendations and be conservative. however, if they say that's ok and want want to push it xx far because they heard on the internet someone made xx power i'll do it as long as they know that it might not end as happily for them.

what afr do i tune at? not as rich as your statement implies. how much more power does a n/a car make at 13.0 vs 14.0 wot? how about a boosted one at 11psi or less between 11.5 and 12.5? the reality is not very much. fuel is used as a thermal barrier to help prevent detonation and increase the reliablility of the motor in these instances. any boosted car will have a sooty bumper whether it's tuned at 13.0 (insane) or 11.5 (not that i tune all of them that rich).

aggressiveness comes from timing. you stop adding timing when the addition of timing stops increasing power or detonation occurs. luckily many honda motors have a nice buffer zone where power increases slow/stop before detonation begins, unless you are being "aggressive" on your afr and lose that buffer. race gas is the other magic bullet to help push it when you really push the boost up and cylinder pressures get extreme to not follow this rule.

when it's all said and done i have to answer to each and every customer i tune and also answer to shops that refer me those customers. i'm not going to take advantage of them for the chance to "make a name for myself". my goal is to give a good tune and service to each car and customer. if that makes me conservative then i'm guilty.