Best Boosted B-series?

[Turbogixxer]

Am i sposed to go by what HT says?

Nope, but the point I am making. I am not the only one that is doing this. So, lets look at this for a bit.

You are saying you can not go over 230whp on a stock B16 without have problems. But, yet, other people have no problems (inculding me and my personal experience). You are the only that is seeming to have the problem, not other people.

Am i sposed to go by what HT says? im sorry but personal experience means alot then "i heard someone did this". what i meant was i cant tell you that YOUR wrong cause obviously there is a select few that have made over 300whp for awhile, an you cant tell me im wrong because i have seen cars make over that an blow up.

The fact that I have done the same or better then what they are saying, I would say I am backed up with facts.

I dont know about you, but id rather go from personal experience than follow the crowd.

I learn from other peoples mistakes as well as my own. I do not have a ego to get in the way of being a open minded person

that would be YOUR personal experience, you say its reliable, i think for a customer to ask me "is 300whp on a stock motor reliable" i would have to say no, from my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE:

Lances b16 turbo 10psi popped ringlands the second he went above 12psi
Jerrys ITR (same ringlands as b16 pistons) popped 1 month after he boosted it at 10psi
Mikes 2000 civic si blew within 1 week of 8psi of boost (popped ringlands)
Kevins b16 exploded a valve with a 75 shot of nitrous
Seans 00 Civic si popped after 3 months, ringlands collapsed
Reggies B16 DA popped ringlands after 2 weeks of 10psi

That means nothing, you know why? no specs on the set-up or WHP numbers.

1 detonation on a CAST pistons at 12-18psi, and the motor is DONE.

This statement right here shows what you know about tuning and turbocharging in general.

as others had said in the thread, psi has nothing to do with the detonation, octane of fuel, ablitly for a motor to hold pressure.

Now you say its reliable. well when you run a shop, and have to stand behind your statements, you might think differently. I would not feel good telling someone "so an so says 350whp is reliable, so lets do that", then after 2 months it grenades cause i know there is a good possibility that it will. Id rather tell them 280whp is reliable, an to enjoy it until they want to really push it.

Hahah, too funny. I know nothing about that or how to talk/treat a customer.

LOL an what else would you like me to use? a uego? PLX? HONDATA? our dyno wideband is MUCH more accurate than any other wideband, sorry. Matter of fact, we tuned a KPRO car last week, an his wideband on hondata was 1.5 points OFF from our dyno on the LEAN side. so had we used his wideband, it would have probably gotten us in trouble. We replace our wideband every 3-6 months, i HIGHLY doubt regular customers replace it that often.

Hondata has a wideband? I hope you are not using the stock k-series one.

Better question, why would you use a customers wideband? I use mine and mine only. Every dyno I have ever been on, has had a different reading. Even if I go to the same dyno, it is off.

[Vteckidd]

Nope, but the point I am making. I am not the only one that is doing this. So, lets look at this for a bit.

You are saying you can not go over 230whp on a stock B16 without have problems. But, yet, other people have no problems (inculding me and my personal experience). You are the only that is seeming to have the problem, not other people.

Wrong, i said i wouldnt ADVISE going over 230whp on a STOCK BLOCK b16, weak ringlands tend to crumble. I wouldnt advise it, if Ed tuned it, Evans tuned it, or god himself, i wouldnt advise it.

The fact that I have done the same or better then what they are saying, I would say I am backed up with facts.
I learn from other peoples mistakes as well as my own. I do not have a ego to get in the way of being a open minded person

no ego here sir, just facts.

That means nothing, you know why? no specs on the set-up or WHP numbers.

Basic T3 turbos for the most part on all those. 220-240whp setups, some having as little as 10k miles (ITR) others having over 100k.

This statement right here shows what you know about tuning and turbocharging in general.

Please , enlighten me. Detonation on a cast piston will destroy it, if you think you can having a TUNED car on the dyno saves tyou from detonation, you have alot to learn likewise. If someone is running their stock b16 or gsr block at 12-18psi and they detonate on it, its GOING to 1) blow a hole in a piston 2) break the ringland off. thats FACTS, not speculation.

as others had said in the thread, psi has nothing to do with the detonation, octane of fuel, ablitly for a motor to hold pressure.

Psi has NOTHING to do with deontation? hmmm, ever heard of CYLINDER TEMPS? EGTS? A boosted motor is MORE likely to detonate than an NA car, becuse of the added heat for the FORCED INDUCTION. are you kidding me? are we back to tuning 101? if you think detonation cant happen, go drive on one of our nice hot humid 100degree 99% humidity GA afternoons. If youd like me to get into load properties as a correlation to detonation i can do that too. when yor pushing a factory motor so far already, it takes less to blow it up.

Hahah, too funny. I know nothing about that or how to talk/treat a customer

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i dont know who you are so.....

Hondata has a wideband? I hope you are not using the stock k-series one.

Better question, why would you use a customers wideband? I use mine and mine only. Every dyno I have ever been on, has had a different reading. Even if I go to the same dyno, it is off.

ok you just said that

I really do not care about your a/f charts, because the odds are they are measured on the dyno wideband.

I didnt say we USED his wideband, i said we noticed his wideband was off compared to ours. meaning, if he had used his wideband to tune on the street , he prob would have gotten in trouble.

[Turbogixxer]

Wrong, i said i wouldnt ADVISE going over 230whp on a STOCK BLOCK b16, weak ringlands tend to crumble. I wouldnt advise it, if Ed tuned it, Evans tuned it, or god himself, i wouldnt advise it.

Honsetly, that is cool. If you feel your tuner and you are not capible of doing something, that is great.

But, do not act like you are a god in the subject and try to push people down that are giving real world data.

Before you go: "I said advise, not we could not do it", the fact is, you are not comfortable with going over a certain WHP (not psi). The fact that I have tuned cars way over your "limit" and over your "6 months" rule speaks volumes. This is not from a website, this is real world.

no ego here sir, just facts.

hmm..

you cant tell me im wrong when i have PERSONAL experieince.

Watch out F1, this guy has personal experience.

Basic T3 turbos for the most part on all those. 220-240whp setups, some having as little as 10k miles (ITR) others having over 100k.

Doesn't that throw your "do not over 230whp" theory off? I mean, 220 is less then 230, right? If you state, do not go over 230, then 230 is fine, right?

Please , enlighten me. Detonation on a cast piston will destroy it, if you think you can having a TUNED car on the dyno saves tyou from detonation, you have alot to learn likewise. If someone is running their stock b16 or gsr block at 12-18psi and they detonate on it, its GOING to 1) blow a hole in a piston 2) break the ringland off. thats FACTS, not speculation.

Come on, You can not be that dumb.

You are basicly stating, 12-18 psi in the same in every turbo. Shit, I better call the stock gsr I tuned at 20 psi. I hope the last 9 months he has not been driving around with a hole in his piston or a cracked ringland.

Psi has NOTHING to do with deontation? hmmm, ever heard of CYLINDER TEMPS? EGTS? A boosted motor is MORE likely to detonate than an NA car, becuse of the added heat for the FORCED INDUCTION. are you kidding me? are we back to tuning 101? if you think detonation cant happen, go drive on one of our nice hot humid 100degree 99% humidity GA afternoons. If youd like me to get into load properties as a correlation to detonation i can do that too. when yor pushing a factory motor so far already, it takes less to blow it up.

You are correct in a cerain part. But you are confusing PSI of a turbo with cylinder pressure. PSi of a turbo is independant of the size of the turbo, so you can not say that 12-18 psi of turbo pressure has the same cylinder pressure (read: heat) for all turbos.

Maybe you should learn about EFI. See, most systems see a difference in ATM, manifold pressure and/or air flow, air density, coolant tempersure and can make a change (not saying it is great, because it is user input) (BTW, fuel and timing too). If it is tuned correctly, I do not see a problem, do you?


All to most of the cars I tune are in that same weather you are in if not worse.