Batlground: Which car should we build next

[AnthonyF]

i voted for a G8 - the car is an excellent platform for power IMO, the Holden design looks absolutely incredible and is not something seen on a daily basis. It'd bring a lot of attention to the shop.

-jonathan

please do the g8

Here's the problem with that car, in a few years, it's not going to be shit b/c there will be no parts for it.

I believe any GM car will be pointless to build b/c there are SOOO many LS platforms that so many shops are building.

-Ant.

[Nateds16]

g8 i saw one at my dads work with a 6 speed manual and supercharger and its just bitchin and i want to see yall do something and put a badass twist on it

[SampaGuy]

High HP Corvette, never seen that before :P

[Tracy]

High HP Corvette, never seen that before :P

Honestly, I don't care what has been done before That's not the issue. We laid out the criteria in the op. It mentioned nothing about being exclusively original. I keel you!

[Brian*]

Why don't y'all twin turbo my SC400? Huh, huh huh!!

[DustnU]

I voted C6 Z06!!! Hell you guys could have one of the badest around. Twin turbo set up with FMIC, a sick paint job and some Nasty shoes on it. Plus there are a lot of guys with these that think they are untouchable!!!! Just sayin.

[stormcrow]

voted R35. would like to see you guys work with a newer platform. would also like to see you guys test it on an independent dyno or at the 1/4 mile track.

[Tracy]

voted R35. would like to see you guys work with a newer platform. would also like to see you guys test it on an independent dyno or at the 1/4 mile track.

LOL. I have to laugh at the independent dyno part. Seems to imply to me that we fix our numbers somehow.

Either way, all of our cars have seen the 1/4 mile track, so that is nothing new...you can go ahead and assume you will see our next car there, too. As far as the independent dyno, maybe not. Too much of a hassle when we have one at our own shop, but you never know.

[stormcrow]

LOL. I have to laugh at the independent dyno part. Seems to imply to me that we fix our numbers somehow.

Either way, all of our cars have seen the 1/4 mile track, so that is nothing new...you can go ahead and assume you will see our next car there, too. As far as the independent dyno, maybe not. Too much of a hassle when we have one at our own shop, but you never know.

guilty conscience?

i always recommend an independent dyno test when claiming whp numbers solely due to the fact that numbers can be fudged and having similar numbers on different dynamometers lends credence to the vendor claims. but, a 1/4 mile trap time is actually a better indicator of whp...

[Tracy]

guilty conscience?

i always recommend an independent dyno test when claiming whp numbers solely due to the fact that numbers can be fudged and having similar numbers on different dynamometers lends credence to the vendor claims. but, a 1/4 mile trap time is actually a better indicator of whp...

I agree for the most part (aside from th fact that you will most likely get a different number from dyno to dyno regardless), but like you said, the track is the best test of hp #'s, and like I said, all of our cars have seen the track at least once—except for my drift car.

[stormcrow]

I agree for the most part (aside from th fact that you will most likely get a different number from dyno to dyno regardless), but like you said, the track is the best test of hp #'s, and like I said, all of our cars have seen the track at least once—except for my drift car.

it's a given that you will get different numbers from dyno to dyno... depending on whether or not one is load based (mustang dyno, dyno-dynamics) vs. inertia based (dynojet) but with proper calibration and strapping the number should be very similar...within reason.

i voted R35 because it is a relatively new platform where typical power-adders do not work as planned... depending upon what your whp goals are, you may find yourself struggling and inept... this is one reason why i love the R35...it doesn't give it up easily...

if you can prove yourself with this new technology, then you are on top of your game...

[pakiman626]

the 2j sc project must be inspired by my shell u have sitting around . i vote a 2005+ gs300 or an sc430 something not every is already molesting. and a 911 should have been on that list.

[BABY J]

Girls can't drive - much less drift.

[BABY J]

The r35 is too much price point to hack on. An r35 needs wheels, suspension, audio and a boost controller IMO. Leave it as it sits for as long as the warranty lasts. You can save money by choosing a diff platform and ALSO outperform the r35 easily at a fraction of the pricepoint.

[stormcrow]

The r35 is too much price point to hack on. An r35 needs wheels, suspension, audio and a boost controller IMO. Leave it as it sits for as long as the warranty lasts. You can save money by choosing a diff platform and ALSO outperform the r35 easily at a fraction of the pricepoint.

i completely disagree. $80k is a great price point to work on. much less than its supercar counterparts. and why would an R35 need a boost controller? absolutely no need unless you are utilizing aftermarket actuators and wanting 600+whp... btw, changing boost levels on the car voids the warranty...so, that sort of kills leaving the warranty intact until it's over...

one other thought, for under $4k you can make the R35 a low 10 second car even though it's not even designed for the straight track...

[Tracy]

So, like I said. We are getting the Vette. Why? Because I am spoiled and that's what I want. If mama ain't happy, no one is happy :P

[stormcrow]

So, like I said. We are getting the Vette. Why? Because I am spoiled and that's what I want. If mama ain't happy, no one is happy :P

sorry, i didn't go that far back in the thread... didn't know you guys had picked a candidate already... but, good choice! simple bolt ons make a lot of power... no need for technical or tuning know-how to make a monster!

granted the challenge that the R35 presents isn't for everyone.

[Tracy]

sorry, i didn't go that far back in the thread... didn't know you guys had picked a candidate already... but, good choice! simple bolt ons make a lot of power... no need for technical or tuning know-how to make a monster!

granted the challenge that the R35 presents isn't for everyone.

It's not the challenge. It's the $80k at this point (thats what customer cars are for). Not to mention the fact that I have been begging my man to buy me a Vette for the past 10 years and I finally talked him into it.

[stormcrow]

It's not the challenge. It's the $80k at this point (thats what customer cars are for). Not to mention the fact that I have been begging my man to buy me a Vette for the past 10 years and I finally talked him into it.

gotcha. so, the learning curve comes at the customer's expense and not the shop's? hmmm...not sure if i would want to go down that road as a client.

keep in mind that a used 09 GT-R can be had for roughly the same cost as a good Z06. i've seen them go for a low as 65k.

btw, have you guys done any GT-R builds yet?

[Tracy]

gotcha. so, the learning curve comes at the customer's expense and not the shop's? hmmm...not sure if i would want to go down that road as a client.

keep in mind that a used 09 GT-R can be had for roughly the same cost as a good Z06. i've seen them go for a low as 65k.

btw, have you guys done any GT-R builds yet?

I have to tell ya, I'm getting the feeling that you are trying to be a little snide (with all but your first post in this thread)....but I am going to hope that you aren't and continue on as if you weren't. You're new to this site and I have no idea what you know about us, but if you are really interested, you can feel free to check out our website www.batlground.com or stop by on our Toys for Tots dyno day coming up on Dec. 19th. details in my sig.

1st let's say that, unfortunately, we cannot own every single car that we are capable of working on. I wish we had it like that—but to answer your question, no the "learning curve" does not come at the customers expense. Just the car. That's what I was getting at. Our learning curve comes at our own expense in most cases. That being said, there are plenty of times where the customer will pay for R&D for a crazy project and that is always discussed with them and agreed upon upfront. We are pretty transparent and have no problem admitting when we haven't done something before. Additionally, just because we haven't done it, doesn't mean we can't. That has been proved on more than one occasion.

2nd, an '06 Z06 (the first year of the new body style) has been going for around $40-48k+, not $65k (That is as of the last time I checked around a few weeks ago). We happen to be getting an '07 for $40k because one of our friends can't afford his payments anymore. Lucky me.

3rd, we have not had the opportunity to work on an R35 yet.

Thanks for your interest and input.

[Nemesis]

Dibs on first ride along!

[cbfabwerks]

[BABY J]

Windows guy huh? Makes sense now.

[stormcrow]

Windows guy huh? Makes sense now.

work. unix for play. (and ub3r l33t h@x0r!n 5k33lz)

[BABY J]

I'm A UNIX Systems Engineer V (since 1997). UNIX for work - Windows for play. LOL

[Nemesis]

I'm A UNIX Systems Engineer V (since 1997). UNIX for work - Windows for play. LOL

*high five*

[stormcrow]

I'm A UNIX Systems Engineer V (since 1997). UNIX for work - Windows for play. LOL

you're the anti-me.

[BABY J]

LOL

[PRODIGY]

ls7 miata, the end.

[lethal t]

Porsche Turbo

[cjhutch]

I say find yourself a 2.8 Turbo V6 Saab to tune. Hear me out. This would be mostly to tune the engine and not really the car. These engines are capable of a lot of power and now GM has basically used that Saab knowledge to put this engine in all it's top of the line models. The new Buick Regal GS is going to get this engine.

The turbo V6 is going to be the next performance based engine because it's a small package and generally gets better gas mileage than a V8 and simple things like adjusting boost can provide different power levels. In stock form these engines make 250hp/258lb.-ft. and with a simple ECU tune they produce 320hp/400lb-ft. and that's with swapping zero parts, not even spark plugs. GM is already using this engine in the Opel Insignia OPC and in stock form it's making 325hp/295lb.-ft. With a compressor wheel upgrade and spark plugs they make about 390hp. Just imagine what you can get out of the thing if you put a larger turbo in, a larger downpipe, and,ore efficient intercooler.

EDIT: I know you guys hate FWD and they are also available in AWD format with the newest Haldex system with an eLSD.

[Blitanicle99]

So, I voted you do a GTR.

Then I realized, about 10 minutes into doing ANYTHING to that car you'll be calling Forged and asking how its done.


BWAHHAHAHAHA.



Good luck.

[KodyH]

My Plymouth Reliant K

[KERR]

CTS-V.... hook it up, then sale it to me at a good price.... the wife needs something fast

on a side note do you all have all the stuff to tune GM cars now? If so i might have to bring the tank down... 01 burb 2500, has a 8.1L with a cam, headers, exhaust, whipple, spings and all the other shit you need..

Id like to turn off all the torque management crap. ( i have a file on how to do but no program to do it lol) then get it tuned in for the blower / cam and shit.... hp will not be to impressive, maybe 500 crank.. but should be able to make 900-1000 lbtq... or just blow the hell up.

[Gorilla Eg!]

I say if you want a motor that size and 1000 hp and it do all things well and best bang for the buck, the only car that comes to mind is an r32 GTR.....you can get them fairly cheap and they have GREAT potential and are a great car and always will be, and lets face it, a GTR is a GTR, I dont care how old it is, and I LOVE the old school look anyways.....GL with whatever you decide, im sure I will be jealous of any car you create....Dan

[googoo]

you guys should do a fb rx7 with a boosted f20 motor in it i dont thing anyone has done that yet, everyone puts v8 in them