What does the Z06 runs around the Nürburgring again? If I have the chance to pick between a Z06 or a GTR, I would pick the Z06, but the Skyline is still a faster car over all.
What does the Z06 runs around the Nürburgring again? If I have the chance to pick between a Z06 or a GTR, I would pick the Z06, but the Skyline is still a faster car over all.
I used to think that the Nurburg ring times mattered until a friend of mine explained to me that it has way to many variables to be a good comparison. Basically if you have a driver who is willing to go balls to the wall and seriously risk his life above and beyond what normal track hazards would be then he could pick up a significant amount of time. Its sort of like saying my car has done the 285 loop faster than yours......thats a lot of variablesOriginally Posted by chituntang
I am pretty sure Chevy has enough money to have its own private section there, just like Nissan and other motor companies do. My point is not saying Nurburg is the sh*t or anything, but to prove a point that it does a faster time compare to other cars. It is like you join a time attack battle and if you are bad luck enough, you would not have your fastest time down.
That doesn't make sense if companies have private sections then there would be no comparison because the the sections would be different maybe you mean private sessions. I don't think a decent comparison will be made until they are both on the exact same track at the exact same time. I would take either of them but i would rather build a s-chassis car that could hand both of them their asses ( yea I know thats the inner-ricer coming out ha ha). If I had equal opportunity to have the GTR or the Z06 i would take the GTR just to have something different.
and y is all cars based on one track.......y not run other courses like laguna
rumor is the new V may have the LS9 out of the ZR1
If you pull up to a porsche at a stop light with a gtr, 9 times out of 10 the guy who is driving the porsche wont know that you are about to fly by him...
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You saying Porsche owners dont know about cars, and can't drive?? Half of the people posting are complete ricers.
im not saying the people posting in here, but im talking about the 60 year old man who has been working a 9-5 job for 20 years and has a porsche, probably wont know about a skyline unless he knows a bit about ricers, or it least wouldnt know all about the specs of one
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You're an idiot. You were speculating about a car's performance you haven't driven/modded/raced against another car you haven't driven/modded/raced.. I'm sorry I don't follow your gay internet marketing racing.
When did I say you shouldn't talk about a car that you have owned before? Again, you're an idiot.
Quoted for truth. They are ricers in the truest form of the word.
Yes because its AWD, first you have to understand how many cars I have driven on track. I instruct with a lot of diffrent clubs and I've owned and driven quite a few fast cars.r
AWD Cars utilize the available grip better than a rwd car...thats why they are faster on street tires than a RWD car.
I'm willing to bet a Z06 on Slicks is faster than a GTR on Slicks at Road Atlanta.
^too bad you'll have to unmount those slicks once you leave the track and for everyday driving. I don't think any of the mentioned cars are necessarily better then the other but each has its own pros and cons and accommodate for the vase amount of drivers out their and their sole intent and purpose for their purchase.
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You must not know any. Trust me, MOST Porsche owners and high end car owners are enthusiest, most know about cars.
Great, well-written article!
Definitely makes you want one!
Leisa and S. 4 Life NM?
Well, bottom line is everybody has their own opinion about the car but it is without a doubt, a bada$$ car. Yea it is an expensive car but some people got it more than others and can afford a car like that. The word on the Z06 and the GTR...Yea the Z06 will probably take the win, tho i'm not a Vette fan, but it will give it a good run for its money. I mean damn, the car was built by testing it against a Porsche 911. Porsches are nice but have you guys ever modded or worked on them? I have and its not as easy as it looks. I don't understand why people talk down about Nissans soo much, Nissans are designed by the smartest muthafukkers on earth. Japanese designers make things so much easier to fix but more reliable than euro and/or domestic cars. I want everybody just to wait until the car hits the street so you can see it for yourselves before you down the car. And we'll how it does up against that Z06.
Car:
1994 FD RX7
Inspired by Car Make T&E Japan (Team Vertex Design)
Driver:
Jonathan Togans
US Navy Ordnanceman (IYAOYAS)
Strike Fighter Squadron 115
NAF Atsugi Japan
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Big Baller, its a BIG if.. but I am going to seriously see about getting one of those in my driveway.. when I do I'll surely take you up on that offer. (a different driver than me of course)
I have worked on Porsches, performance parts might be $$$$$ but they arent THAT bad to work on.
Yea but i'm just saying, not everybody should be touching a Porsche.
Car:
1994 FD RX7
Inspired by Car Make T&E Japan (Team Vertex Design)
Driver:
Jonathan Togans
US Navy Ordnanceman (IYAOYAS)
Strike Fighter Squadron 115
NAF Atsugi Japan
Embarked upon the USS George Washington
Did I see you yesterday between Exit 102 and Sateille Blvd? I was driving a red S14.
Lol. I wouldnt be that harsh on the new GTR. It is simply an awesome car but of course its no Porsche or a look-a-like. It does outperform many Porsches including the Turbo 911 on the track as J. Clarkson said, but nothing can compare or imitate the upper range of Porsche cars.
Ok let me alter what I said as I can see a little bit of what your saying butwhatever
better?
Really?Let me refresh your memory for you as you must be going senile.
Starting to ring any bells.
Again according to your logic no one should be allowed to speculate what car can compete with what other car etc. etc. if they have not owned one. Which really means no need for car talk section,Car and Driver, Road and Track, Top Gear, Autmobile, Super Street, Import Tuner, Sport Compact car or any other automotive news organization unless they themselves have owned and modded whatever car it is they are writing about.
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If anyone is wanting the GTR as soon as it comes out, PM me. I know a broker who might be getting his hands on a few.
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You are comparing two cars and stating how one is better when you have never driven either, race either, or modded either car. I'm not changing what I said. You cannot attest to the performance or potential of these sports cars when you've probably never driven anything faster than your Eclipse.Really?
Starting to ring any bells.
Again according to your logic no one should be allowed to speculate what car can compete with what other car etc. etc. if they have not owned one. Which really means no need for car talk section,Car and Driver, Road and Track, Top Gear, Autmobile, Super Street, Import Tuner, Sport Compact car or any other automotive news organization unless they themselves have owned and modded whatever car it is they are writing about.
Just as I cannot comment on why a Lamborghini is better than a Ferrari. They are 2 vehicles I've never driven, modded, raced, been in, etc. You go off what you read on the internet. This makes you an ignorant ricer. The reason C&D, Top Gear can rate cars is because they drive and race them. This might be a little much for you to grasp but please do try.
The GTR's 'claimed' numbers still fall way short of the Z06's PROVEN numbers/times.
As far as realibility; C6 Z06s are offered with 100,000 mile warranties. A 10sec car with a warranty and you can put whatever tires you want on there.
Last edited by iloveboost; 01-04-2008 at 10:12 AM.
Wow your wrong there but you would know i'm lying because you know me so well
I don't compare numbers on cars from random internet sources. I use car and driver, Road and track, Automobile etc. PROVEN RELIABLE SOURCES the only internet source i use is edmunds.
You obviously know nothing about the new z06. The new Z06 is NOT A 10SECOND CAR. IT'S AN 11.8 SECOND CAR. And your going to sit here and lecture me about what i "know" and don't "know" when you have absolutely no clue what you are talking aboout
http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/d...comparo_ts.pdf
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Threads like these are always good for laughs, not intended for laughs but laughter always "comes around."
LOL @ people who simply cannot handle an opinion that is obviously biased or simply counters their opinion.
however, carry on...
Leisa and S. 4 Life NM?
Who, is it Lawrence? Because I have been talking to him and about to put a downpayment on one upon finding out what colors and trim level he has access to.
This is exactly what I meant. You are an idiot. Stupid. Most of the people that race the car for a magazine cannot drive.Wow your wrong there but you would know i'm lying because you know me so well
I don't compare numbers on cars from random internet sources. I use car and driver, Road and track, Automobile etc. PROVEN RELIABLE SOURCES the only internet source i use is edmunds.
You obviously know nothing about the new z06. The new Z06 is NOT A 10SECOND CAR. IT'S AN 11.8 SECOND CAR. And your going to sit here and lecture me about what i "know" and don't "know" when you have absolutely no clue what you are talking aboout
http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/d...comparo_ts.pdf
I have a Z06 and you're telling ME that the C6Z06 isn't a 10sec car? AGAIN.... YOU ARE A MAGAZINE RACING, IDIOT RICER.
10.9 is the record for the bone stock C6Z. 10.8 has been acheived with a bone stock C6Z and drag radials. This isn't magazine racing so this is why it might be hard for you to comprehend.
Go back on edmunds and pretend your Eclipse is the pinnacle of automotive performance. Go conjure up more ideas to be original with your tacky time attack style wheels. I'll trust your judgement on what's fast when you don't drive every 15-year-old girl's dream car.
Last edited by iloveboost; 01-04-2008 at 01:49 PM.
get that logical **** out of here!!!!
i also dont think its fair to add variables like tires etc. i mean i like to judge a car how it rolls off the line.. not what u have to do to make it something.
stock v. stock i would bet my money on the GTR overall.. but ive never driven or owned neither!! thats just my comparison.
Everyone makes this car sound like its the best there ever was. Its not.
I would like to see both the GTR and the Z06 on the same tires, at the same track, on the same day, with the same driver. I've seen a stock C6Z06 on road atlanta with race tires and im here to tell you, the GTR wont keep up. Anyone that has done trackdays when a vette is on the track with a good driver can tell you, it just wont happen.
The way I look at it is that the Z06 is a street legal race car and the Nissan is just a hall ass street car.
I will get a full comparison of the two up sometime (unless someone else wants to) just to show the differences between the two.
i disagree not sayin its the best ever....
1st people were saying it wasnt gonna perform better than the previous GTR, it did..
than came the people saying the power isnt really there... it is
than they said it wouldnt perform on the track worth a dam... it does
now i think u all might get the GTR mixed up with the previous skyline GTR because that car was based off a previous platform. BUt the Gtr is all its own and purpose built just like the Z06.
And you would know this how? What are you there when they drive the car?
great that is a rarity though. the majority of z06's still run mid to high 11's great with drag radials the times drop.wow big surprise. but off the line they are mainly 11 second cars not 10
When have I ever said that my car was anything other than what it is? Here's something from my other thread.
again you are obviously incapable of doing research nor do you value anyone's opinion including that of trained professionals who have been in the industry a long time. You sir are the idiot not I.
Last edited by Alan®; 01-04-2008 at 02:44 PM.
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Yeah, so does the vette. Until I see a comparision on the same day, same track, and same tires...im going to go with the vette. Dont get me wrong, the GTR is one sick car and is one of top cars in its class but i dont think its what everyone is making it seem like.
This is what I cant wait to see. The GTR run against the vette, viper, and ferrari in T1 with the SCCA. The cars are stock and most run on the same tire.
POWER to WEIGHT
GTR-3794lbs. (autoweek) with 473hp= 8.021
Z06-3162lbs. (chevrolet) with 505hp=6.261
Just out of curiosity.. if my memory serves me right didnt the GT-R run 2 seconds faster than the Z06 at the Nurburgring? At this point that is the only real comparison we have of the two.
I'm not going to say one is better than the other, if the GT-R didnt have a back seat I wouldnt even consider it.
ZR-1 > C6Z06 > GTR > C6
have u ever raced or watched a race in ur entire life? on a track that long, a twitch of the wheel can be 2 seconds. not running on the same day can be 2 seconds. a lift on the gas or tap on the brakes can be 2 seconds.
its impossible to run a perfect lap at the ring or any track for that matter. thats why i would like to see them in a race. just because u ran the fastest time doesnt mean u have the fastest car...it means u made the least mistakes.
Now I remember why I hate arguing with idiot ricers.And you would know this how? What are you there when they drive the car?
great that is a rarity though. the majority of z06's still run mid to high 11's great with drag radials the times drop.wow big surprise. but off the line they are mainly 11 second cars not 10
When have I ever said that my car was anything other than what it is? Here's something from my other thread.
again you are obviously incapable of doing research nor do you value anyone's opinion including that of trained professionals who have been in the industry a long time. You sir are the idiot not I.
Your opinion is worth less than moldy bread.
Always funny when you call out my rational thoughts. You're right man, drama sells.get that logical **** out of here!!!!
I have never heard anyone get called that before.YOU ARE A MAGAZINE RACING, IDIOT RICER.
Leisa and S. 4 Life NM?
The car isnt even out yet and you're already making excuses. My lack of experience at the track does not discredit official data presented by both manufacturers.. if they're not perfect then don't present it but since they did I will have to assume they were perfect laps.. respectively.
By your logic if the GT-R comes in even a second slower theres an excuse to be found as to why.. I'm sorry I guess mathewAPM has to approve them for them to be official. Don't tell me if the Z06 posted a faster time you wouldn't quote that for the sake of argument.
Just the fact that we are comparing a car that can transport a family of 3 or 4, that I can drive up north to go snowboarding AND still hit the track and be considered a competitor is all the convincing I need. Its a no brainer on my part.
don't be mad cause i keep smashing your aguments to oblivion
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