I am convinced on the GT-R

[tony]

have u ever raced or watched a race in ur entire life? on a track that long, a twitch of the wheel can be 2 seconds. not running on the same day can be 2 seconds. a lift on the gas or tap on the brakes can be 2 seconds.

its impossible to run a perfect lap at the ring or any track for that matter. thats why i would like to see them in a race. just because u ran the fastest time doesnt mean u have the fastest car...it means u made the least mistakes.

The car isnt even out yet and you're already making excuses. My lack of experience at the track does not discredit official data presented by both manufacturers.. if they're not perfect then don't present it but since they did I will have to assume they were perfect laps.. respectively.

By your logic if the GT-R comes in even a second slower theres an excuse to be found as to why.. I'm sorry I guess mathewAPM has to approve them for them to be official. Don't tell me if the Z06 posted a faster time you wouldn't quote that for the sake of argument.

Just the fact that we are comparing a car that can transport a family of 3 or 4, that I can drive up north to go snowboarding AND still hit the track and be considered a competitor is all the convincing I need. Its a no brainer on my part.

[matthewAPM]

The car isnt even out yet and you're already making excuses. My lack of experience at the track does not discredit official data presented by both manufacturers.. if they're not perfect then don't present it but since they did I will have to assume they were perfect laps.. respectively.

By your logic if the GT-R comes in even a second slower theres an excuse to be found as to why.. I'm sorry I guess mathewAPM has to approve them for them to be official. Don't tell me if the Z06 posted a faster time you wouldn't quote that for the sake of argument.

Just the fact that we are comparing a car that can transport a family of 3 or 4, that I can drive up north to go snowboarding AND still hit the track and be considered a competitor is all the convincing I need. Its a no brainer on my part.

number 1 its not an excuse, its the truth. dont talk until u have experience doing it.

but there not. no one can ever do a perfect lap. not possible at all.

actually no. im not a hardcore chevy fan. im just saying that everyone is hating on the vette because it got beat by 2 seconds. if someone was hating on the skyline i would have said the same thing, im not saying this because i like vettes, im saying this because people think that the 2 seconds were because the car was faster.

its what u like. everyone has a different opinion. and i respect that. but its when people think they know something when they really dont that i argue.

[tony]

number 1 its not an excuse, its the truth. dont talk until u have experience doing it.

but there not. no one can ever do a perfect lap. not possible at all.

actually no. im not a hardcore chevy fan. im just saying that everyone is hating on the vette because it got beat by 2 seconds. if someone was hating on the skyline i would have said the same thing, im not saying this because i like vettes, im saying this because people think that the 2 seconds were because the car was faster.

its what u like. everyone has a different opinion. and i respect that. but its when people think they know something when they really dont that i argue.

I have zero experience but I am quoting a source that has plenty.. its called second hand experience from a reliable source. What you offer is an assumption since you have driven neither one.

Numbers do not lie. I don't care if the Z06 driver picked his nose during his lap, the GT-R got from point A to point B faster than the Z06. I just explained this to my 6 year old and he nodded his head so surely you can understand what I am explaining here.

As I said, I did not want to like the GT-R. I wanted it to fail miserably so I could feel good about having a better car years ago.. but it hasnt.. whether you like what people are saying or not you have to admit Nissan has shaken up the market.. to the point where we are here bickering over a car we've yet to even see in person.

Daniel.. no hard feelings but if I get one of these we will definitely be meeting up.

[matthewAPM]

I have zero experience but I am quoting a source that has plenty.. its called second hand experience from a reliable source. What you offer is an assumption since you have driven neither one.

Numbers do not lie. I don't care if the Z06 driver picked his nose during his lap, the GT-R got from point A to point B faster than the Z06. I just explained this to my 6 year old and he nodded his head so surely you can understand what I am explaining here.

As I said, I did not want to like the GT-R. I wanted it to fail miserably so I could feel good about having a better car years ago.. but it hasnt.. whether you like what people are saying or not you have to admit Nissan has shaken up the market.. to the point where we are here bickering over a car we've yet to even see in person.

Daniel.. no hard feelings but if I get one of these we will definitely be meeting up.

u sure about that? not a GTR obviously...

i dont feel like arguing with dumbass people. read a little then come back to this thread