K series guys ( well mainly gregg lol)

[k_killaGSR]

Dont agree with mike. lol. K20A.ORG AND CLUBRSX.COM makes all his 2004 price quote look stupid enough as it is. lol And PLEASE dont tell h22jones that randy car runs 10.5 but get beat by other K's IN HIS CLASS running 10.2-10.3's AND STILL are able to drive LONG distances home.lol Dont worry thou, when h22jones gets these h2b's done, some of the K guys will show him whats up

Oh and keep us posted on ur new and upcoming k24/20 build in 2012

actually you are correct i over looked somethings he said. like paying 4k for a type s from hmotorsonline. why pay that when you can buy a block for 300-400 and a head for like 600-800 depending on whats done to it. shit i paid $700 for my k24a8 block with k20z3 head which included the RBC and type s wiring harness, i also just bought me a type s tranny with a polished and knife edged k24a2 crank for $1000 on k20a.org (talk about a deal). you can find alot of deals on k20a.org. theirs guys on there selling forged high compression pistons for like 350, rods for like 200, mounts for 300. like i said earlier to build a K you just have to have a little bit of patience and you'll find what you needfor the right price. ill make sure to share my build with you guys. might make a build thread. i know one thing ima have these guys at the meets lol

[CptWitwiki]

This thread was a very entertaining way to spend my time between classes

[112480]

So much beef in here!!!

carry on!

LOL, i'm not aruging with mike anymore bobby. I've said what i said about it and through his lame antics he'll never get to me. lol!! On the internet too?

[Vteckidd]

actually you are correct i over looked somethings he said. like paying 4k for a type s from hmotorsonline. why pay that when you can buy a block for 300-400 and a head for like 600-800 depending on whats done to it. shit i paid $700 for my k24a8 block with k20z3 head which included the RBC and type s wiring harness, i also just bought me a type s tranny with a polished and knife edged k24a2 crank for $1000 on k20a.org (talk about a deal). you can find alot of deals on k20a.org. theirs guys on there selling forged high compression pistons for like 350, rods for like 200, mounts for 300. like i said earlier to build a K you just have to have a little bit of patience and you'll find what you needfor the right price. ill make sure to share my build with you guys. might make a build thread. i know one thing ima have these guys at the meets lol

you guys obviously havent built enough to realize there is more to a motor than a block head and tranny. Also i dont know where you are buying complete rotating assemblies like a K20A2 for $300-400. Maybe with 150k miles. A VTEC K 20 head goes for $600 all day and more. So congrats you found a DEAL, but its not something you can recommend to a CUSTOMER. very few people are going to trust buying X block with X head with X tranny from some random guys on clubrsx or k20a.org. Even then youre missing a ton of stuff

What about:

flywheel
flywheel bolts
starter
starter bolts
alternator
clutch assembly
shifter cables
clips
bushings
wiring harness
fuel rail
injectors
tb
tps
valve cover
valve cover hardware
timing chain
timing chain sprockets, guides, cover
oil pan
oil pan hardware
tranny bolts
thermostat
thermostat housing
coolant temp sensor
VSS
oil pressure sensor
ECU
wiring harness
knock sensor
idler pulley
intake manifold
IAC
IAT



So why you guys can claim you can buy a block for $400-500 and a head for $600-800, you are overlooking a TON OF PARTS that come with a complete swap. Most people arent going to sit there and hunt down all that stuff. They would rather buy it all complete because at the end of the day you can buy a full swap for $4000, or you can buy a block, head, headgasket, pay someone to put the motor together, only to figure out your missing $500-1000 more in parts, etc etc etc etc

Ask james which is easier to do. Or how many times someone says "i got everything" and THEY DONT.

If you guys are somehow able to beat what everyone else is paying, congrats. youre still in the minority. Ive bought PLENTY of blocks, heads etc that were missing parts. I refuse to believe you can buy a K20A2 swap for $1500 with truly everything you need. I have bought a K20A2 swap before for $2000, doesnt mean every swap is $2000.

[112480]

This thread was a very entertaining way to spend my time between classes

glad we can help

[Moseley]

What about:

flywheel
flywheel bolts
starter
starter bolts
alternator
clutch assembly
shifter cables
clips
bushings
wiring harness
fuel rail
injectors
tb
tps
valve cover
valve cover hardware
timing chain
timing chain sprockets, guides, cover
oil pan
oil pan hardware
tranny bolts
thermostat
thermostat housing
coolant temp sensor
VSS
oil pressure sensor
ECU
wiring harness
knock sensor
idler pulley
intake manifold
IAC
IAT

[112480]

actually you are correct i over looked somethings he said. like paying 4k for a type s from hmotorsonline. why pay that when you can buy a block for 300-400 and a head for like 600-800 depending on whats done to it. shit i paid $700 for my k24a8 block with k20z3 head which included the RBC and type s wiring harness, i also just bought me a type s tranny with a polished and knife edged k24a2 crank for $1000 on k20a.org (talk about a deal). you can find alot of deals on k20a.org. theirs guys on there selling forged high compression pistons for like 350, rods for like 200, mounts for 300. like i said earlier to build a K you just have to have a little bit of patience and you'll find what you needfor the right price.

shhhhhhhh......dont tell vteckidd that, cause he'll call bullshit on you ESPEACIALLY if u cant provide receipts!

[Vteckidd]

LOL, i'm not aruging with mike anymore bobby. I've said what i said about it and through his lame antics he'll never get to me. lol!! On the internet too?

$10 says hes already angry texted someone about this. Prob Kyle haha

[Vteckidd]

gregg prob got all that for free from his Fiance too

[Moseley]

mike you are so right. Luis bought his K swap for 4k in '06 and I think it was a hell of a deal.

long block, manifolds, TB, throttle cable, fuel rail / injectors, full engine harness and charge harness, starter, alternator, tranny, clutch, flywheel, axles, shifter cables, shifter box, ECU.

[Vteckidd]

shhhhhhhh......dont tell vteckidd that, cause he'll call bullshit on you ESPEACIALLY if u cant provide receipts!

you guys leave me no choice.

See i operate on FACTS. Not half truths, or so and so said, or whatever. So you should argue FACTS with FACTS. You guys dont do that.

I say "no one makes over 250whp with a B SEries" then theres a 25 page thread about how IM WRONG yet no one has proven it at all. Its very simple, post a dyno from a GA shop with a b series making 250whp? whats so hard?

You say you dont have $10,000 in your car, i say youre full of shit. You say "i dont have to prove it".

You say a K Series is cheap, i say youre wrong and post links prices, point out the gross amount of things you are forgetting. You say " i dont have to prove it" or "my fiance bought it for me".

Thats why you guys think im an asshole, is because i call you on your bullshit and it angers you because you know you cant win with someone that argues like me. Period

[Vteckidd]

mike you are so right. Luis bought his K swap for 4k in '06 and I think it was a hell of a deal.

long block, manifolds, TB, throttle cable, fuel rail / injectors, full engine harness and charge harness, starter, alternator, tranny, clutch, flywheel, axles, shifter cables, shifter box, ECU.

i cant tell if youre being sarcastic or not .........

Serious question and you dont have to answer of course............how much do you THINK it costs to do a K20A2 swap in a donor shell. Im curious to see what another K Series owner says. You can be as cheap as you want.

Who is more right, me, or gregg?

answer honestly

[112480]

mike you are so right. Luis bought his K swap for 4k in '06 and I think it was a hell of a deal.

long block, manifolds, TB, throttle cable, fuel rail / injectors, full engine harness and charge harness, starter, alternator, tranny, clutch, flywheel, axles, shifter cables, shifter box, ECU.

Wait wait, u sure u meant 2010? Surely he didnt buy it in 06 for 4k? I thought things like that depreciates over time. not increase

[k_killaGSR]

you guys obviously havent built enough to realize there is more to a motor than a block head and tranny.

What about:

flywheel
flywheel bolts
starter
starter bolts
alternator
clutch assembly
shifter cables
clips
bushings
wiring harness
fuel rail
injectors
tb
tps
valve cover
valve cover hardware
timing chain
timing chain sprockets, guides, cover
oil pan
oil pan hardware
tranny bolts
thermostat
thermostat housing
coolant temp sensor
VSS
oil pressure sensor
ECU
wiring harness
knock sensor
idler pulley
intake manifold
IAC
IAT



So why you guys can claim you can buy a block for $400-500 and a head for $600-800, you are overlooking a TON OF PARTS that come with a complete swap. Most people arent going to sit there and hunt down all that stuff. They would rather buy it all complete because at the end of the day you can buy a full swap for $4000, or you can buy a block, head, headgasket, pay someone to put the motor together, only to figure out your missing $500-1000 more in parts, etc etc etc etc

Ask james which is easier to do. Or how many times someone says "i got everything" and THEY DONT.

If you guys are somehow able to beat what everyone else is paying, congrats. youre still in the minority. Ive bought PLENTY of blocks, heads etc that were missing parts. I refuse to believe you can buy a K20A2 swap for $1500 with truly everything you need. I have bought a K20A2 swap before for $2000, doesnt mean every swap is $2000.

most of the stuff you listed like iat, iac, intake manifld, valve cover, all sensors for the block and head,tranny bolts, oil pan, TB with all sensors including tps, stock injectors, timing chain with guides, sprockets and timing chain cover, coil packs comes with it. i just didnt think i had to list every little thing that came with it because most of this stuff is supposed to come with a motor. stuff like fly wheel ,clutch i dont car that it didnt come with it because it would get switched out anyways, same thing with fuel rail. starters and alternators go for cheap on k20a.org. you mentioned earlier something about getting lucky and not getting scammed well thats why you do your research on someone before you purchase from them. look up there prev transactions, see what people say about the person. only buy from a reputable seller and use paypal if you dont get what you paid for then file a complaint to get your money back. you are correct just because someone buys a motor for 2000 that doesnt mean every swap is going for 2000 but that goes back to what i stated you just gotta have patience when building a K. you have to wait for the right part to come around for the right price. but im done with this convo this thing had like 7 pgs on the first day lol it can go on for YEARS. props to the OP for entertaining us

[Vteckidd]

Wait wait, u sure u meant 2010? Surely he didnt buy it in 06 for 4k? I thought things like that depreciates over time. not increase

thats why B Series GSR swaps have INCREASED over time. same with ITR motors. The get more and more rare as time goes on because honda doesnt make them anymore. As supply goes down and demand goes up, prices increase.

Are you really that dumb?

The K20a2 WAS $4500 back in 06-07 from HMO, its prob gone down because more have become available. Theres a market spike then fall. in 06, RSX was only at most 4 years old, so there wasnt a ton of them in junkyards, or being sold used, etc(most still had 5 year warranties). As time goes on youll reach a peak where the cars hit a sweet spot of being old enough that they are affordable to take apart(warranties expire, 2nd and 3rd ownership increases), and the percentage of them hitting the junkyards or being imported from japan (because of age) makes them more available, which drives the price down. But not drastically.

Then once they get cheap enough where people buy them and deplinish the existing stock, they become more rare, and prices go back up.

I would expect in the next 5-10 years the 97 ITR motor becomes almost extinct (the JDM version) or spikes to $6000-7000 a swap because its so rare. When that happens, the K Series will be more viable, and affordable.

[boosted347]

Wow....to me this looks like mike is comparing new costs to grefs used cost, of course used is cheaper...this was alot of bickering though lol

[112480]

The get more and more rare as time goes on because honda doesnt make them anymore. As supply goes down and demand goes up, prices increase.

DUUUUUUUH!!! Its not the case right now with k series....DUUUUUUH

[1civic]

LOL, i'm not aruging with mike anymore bobby. I've said what i said about it and through his lame antics he'll never get to me. lol!! On the internet too?

Mike can be an extremist!! I can't argue with him anymore, his type is always right!!

[112480]

most of the stuff you listed like iat, iac, intake manifld, valve cover, all sensors for the block and head,tranny bolts, oil pan, TB with all sensors including tps, stock injectors, timing chain with guides, sprockets and timing chain cover, coil packs comes with it. i just didnt think i had to list every little thing that came with it because most of this stuff is supposed to come with a motor.

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......................... dont tell vteckidd that either...........shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......... ......................... he's doing a good job by himself of making a fool of himself so , shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........

[Vteckidd]

If they are so cheap i wonder why EVERYONE sells it for the same price

ITR
http://www.jspecauto.com/catalog_pro...px?prod_id=741

K20R
http://www.jspecauto.com/catalog_pro...spx?prod_id=13

K20R
http://www.jdmenginedepot.com/jdm_en...gra_Type-R_DC5

ITR 96 spec
http://www.jdmenginedepot.com/jdm_en...Integra_Type-R

K20 Longblock
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-...item3f0d785c4d

I cant go to clubrsx or k20a.org at work, or hmotorsonline. but im pretty close to all the prices other businesses charge. That should be used as a guidline, not the "one tiem i bought so and so parts for super cheap cause i found a deal online on a forum".

[112480]

but i'm out too. go other things to do. See ya'll later.

[Vteckidd]

Wow....to me this looks like mike is comparing new costs to grefs used cost, of course used is cheaper...this was alot of bickering though lol

Facts are facts.

Can you get a mount kit that costs NEW $500 for used $350? sure. Absolutely.

Can you get a $1000 kpro for $650? prob, if you wait and look long enough.

Im not arguing greg got deals, im not arguing some can do it for cheaper than others.

what im arguing is K SERIES COST. Greg thinks because he spent 2-3 years searching forums for the perfect deal that is the way to do it. Ive also established he likes to lie about what he actually spent or embelish what it really cost him. why do you think he wont post receipts? he knows hes wrong.

The fact is Gregg tries to insinuate that a K Series costs less than $6000-8000 like i said it does. In some cases he is right, in MOST CASES HE IS DEAD WRONG.

When trying to represent and average cost to someone, you factor in the market value of certain parts. The fact he says "my fiance got me rods for free" and wont count that in his total shows just how delusional he is. There is STILL A COST ASSOCIATE WITH THAT PART regardless. So hes saying if my great grandaddy gave me a 92 civic for $100, then I CAN TELL EVERYONE THAT THEIR 92 CIVIC IS ONLY WORTH $100!

its retarded, and frankly i hate arguing with idiots. Im right, i know i am, if i was wrong everyone would have K Series. they dont, because it costs too much, and everyone knows that. Except gregg, who has a K series that cost too much but wont admit it because its marginal performance at best.

[Moseley]

i cant tell if youre being sarcastic or not .........

Serious question and you dont have to answer of course............how much do you THINK it costs to do a K20A2 swap in a donor shell. Im curious to see what another K Series owner says. You can be as cheap as you want.

Who is more right, me, or gregg?

answer honestly

no sarcasm at all. there's a lot to be said about getting a fully functioning assembly out of 1 car.

How much do I think it costs to do a K swap with all new parts and a mint swap? 7k.

Can it be done for less? sure there are corners to cut

the problem is if you do a stock K and don't get the proper supporting mods like a good header and k pro, then you might as well have went H because it'll only make 200-210whp.

Then if you build a K, especially a 2.4L, there are so many parts floating around and engines aren't like legos. what you don't see on K20a.org or other sites because people do not advertise. is that there are 100's of people who have done their first K build by slapping a bunch of parts together. they all say "I'm gonna make 260" or "I'm gonna make 280" with their K24s and they end up making like 230. I'm impressed that Gregg's car actually made the numbers it did considering how many built K24s I've heard of come in around 230-240whp.

I think Luis had about 9k into his swap including the type-r tranny, nitrous setup, and anything else related to the drivetrain. but that was all new parts and not a single thing on the car other than the clutch and thermostat has been replaced in 5 years.. So in the end I think you get what you pay for.

[1civic]

But Before you start off on me mr. vteckidd I'll say this... Only a handful in GA make 220+ NA on the B series, yes their are a couple which make 240+, only they can prove to you.. I will tell you this, My 220 is untuned on Blox C's with an un-ported GSR head, in a hot ass shop..

Now:
If my family was not first in my life I would have no problem proving my point, but right now my car sits..

James has a B series in the shop at midnight which will make more, much more, but again he has family which comes first.. I'm sure he feels the same, hopefully he competes in NOV..

Look for midnight at the top in the all motor class for sure!! That's what matters to most anyways, right?

Race on Sunday, sell parts on Monday!! LMAO....

As far as the K series goes, if you can get deals then it makes more sense to do the swap, but it will still cost 4-5k with shell at minimum, and that's shady shit included!!
Why go that route if the B series can still win races in Ga... Pointless in my eyes, unless someone steps up the game in Ga, or hell the whole southeast..

[05dc5s]

But Before you start off on me mr. vteckidd I'll say this... Only a handful in GA make 220+ NA on the B series, yes their are a couple which make 240+, only they can prove to you.. I will tell you this, My 220 is untuned on Blox C's with an un-ported GSR head, in a hot ass shop..

Now:
If my family was not first in my life I would have no problem proving my point, but right now my car sits..

James has a B series in the shop at midnight which will make more, much more, but again he has family which comes first.. I'm sure he feels the same, hopefully he competes in NOV..

Look for midnight at the top in the all motor class for sure!! That's what matters to most anyways, right?

Race on Sunday, sell parts on Monday!! LMAO....

As far as the K series goes, if you can get deals then it makes more sense to do the swap, but it will still cost 4-5k with shell at minimum, and that's shady shit included!!
Why go that route if the B series can still win races in Ga... Pointless in my eyes, unless someone steps up the game in Ga, or hell the whole southeast..

[05dc5s]

Omg I'm having too much fun with this.

[boosted347]

Omg I'm having too much fun with this.

Keep them coming im entertained by them plus I love dos equis lol

[05dc5s]

I'll have to upload some moar tonight I have a couple others but they aren't in my photobucket.

[Vteckidd]

Only a handful in GA make 220+ NA on the B series, yes their are a couple which make 240+, only they can prove to you..

i agree on the first part, disagree on the last. Im sure there are cars like yours in the 220whp range, but i doubt there are any (besides Chip) in the 240+ range. If so they can accept my challenge that i have laid out, its is $100 to anyone that can crack 240whp on mainstreams dyno. So far i still have my money.

But Before you start off on me mr. vteckidd I'll say this... I will tell you this, My 220 is untuned on Blox C's with an un-ported GSR head, in a hot ass shop..

220 isnt 250 and is far from 240. If you pick up 20whp congrats, just means you are willing to drive your car at a dangerous state by not tuning it. b ut i doubt you pick up that much power. but you can always prove me wrong.

Now: If my family was not first in my life I would have no problem proving my point, but right now my car sits..

my heart bleeds for you

James has a B series in the shop at midnight which will make more, much more, but again he has family which comes first.. I'm sure he feels the same, hopefully he competes in NOV..

if it hasnt done it, then its all speculation. you can SAY "it will make more, much more" but that means ZILCH in the numbers world. Prove it. Gregg talked all day about 300whp, hes nowhere near it. So until it is DONE, dont say how easy it is.

Look for midnight at the top in the all motor class for sure!! That's what matters to most anyways, right?

been hearing that for months

As far as the K series goes, if you can get deals then it makes more sense to do the swap, but it will still cost 4-5k with shell at minimum, and that's shady shit included!!
Why go that route if the B series can still win races in Ga... Pointless in my eyes, unless someone steps up the game in Ga, or hell the whole southeast..

agreed


The "i have family" or "other things are more important" excuse only gets you so far and can only last for so long. Here it is september, and still no one has proven me wrong on the B Series argument we have had, and im confident it will be some time before anyone does. You can make claims all you want, but i operate on facts.

Proving hp numbers is easy, it takes a dyno sheet. The fact no one has proven me wrong just proves...........im right

[1civic]

My point is I rep midnight.. I won the last showdown, and I will plan to be at the top next event!
So yes midnight has done something in my eyes, james car should be there also so that's another All Motor car, wether he takes you offer on the dyno, well that's on him..

Now I said 224, and made 220, I also said I would race an event.. Won the event!
cudo's to me a street racer which now runs track events.. Running a simple setup, which is the same for 4-5 years, Still doesn't matter I know.. But you ask for facts, so there you go!!

Guess what I'm saying is I posted countless times with my ego, claims, etc, but now I've proved what I claim.. Do I hope to pick up 10-15 Hp on cams and tune, sure I do... MORRIS TUNE FTW!!!

Do I rep Midnight, and support them, sure I do!! That's my team...

[Vteckidd]

My point is I rep midnight.. I won the last showdown, and I will plan to be at the top next event!

What did you run to win showdown? congrats, i never said you shouldnt have won..........

So yes midnight has done something in my eyes, james car should be there also so that's another All Motor car, wether he takes you offer on the dyno, well that's on him..

now youre equating hp numbers with winning events? i dont get it.

Now I said 224, and made 220, I also said I would race an event.. Won the event!

Nah you said:
"makes 224, makes MORE now" and claimed it had PRO3s, now its blox Cs. Then you dyno and make LESS. Now 4whp can happen, but the fact is you tried to say you made more, never proved it, then made less than you claimed. so youre 0-2. but 220 is good, you should be proud. but 220 isnt 240

cudo's to me a street racer which now runs track events.. Running a simple setup, which is the same for 4-5 years, Still doesn't matter I know.. But you ask for facts, so there you go!!

uh i never said you couldnt win an event, or couldnt drive, i asked for a dyno sheet of you "making more" than 224 which is what you claimed. and you never produded it. I havent even seen you make 224, just the 220 at midnight. so i dont know what your point is.

Guess what I'm saying is I posted countless times with my ego, claims, etc, but now I've proved what I claim.. Do I hope to pick up 10-15 Hp on cams and tune, sure I do... MORRIS TUNE FTW!!!

uh no you havent. My beef with you was your generic "i make more than 224" whp statements then acting like no one has the right to ask you to prove it. Which, technically, you still havent. You said it not me bobby, i dont have anything to prove.

your ego said (and i still have the PM) "Made 224, makes more now with the new cams, intake, and E85". To date, you have NOT proved that.

Furthermore, to date, no one has proven the 250whp claims either.

Do I rep Midnight, and support them, sure I do!! That's my team...

congrats? i dont care who you "rep"

[boosted347]

Irrelevant to the conversation but another dos equis picture

[boosted347]

Ps h,b,&k suck tt v8 eg ftw

[1civic]

And for the record my family is not an excuse, just much harder to spend time or money on a car when your son or wife needs you, or ask for your time.. facts of life!

But yes my car runs, needs a few things before Nov, but it should be ready to compete 100%.. Is it enough for the other GA boys, I would think so..

Is it the fastest Honda in Ga, no!!

Will it run 11's how it sits, no!!

will it make 250, umm no, not with stock port work!!

would you like to see my car dyno at mainstream? I'm sure it would make more in this weather!! LOL

And about the cams, I bought pro3's online, later did I find out they where not what was posted, point being at that time I was to install everything and be tuned.. I counted my chickens before they hatched.. "it should make more" is what I should have said!! Sry!!!

[1civic]

Ps h,b,&k suck tt v8 eg ftw

that is just nasty...

[1civic]

I should correct myself by saying "will it run 11's", umm yes with the "Mike Jones" tranny!!! bahahahahaha

[Vteckidd]

And for the record my family is not an excuse, just much harder to spend time or money on a car when your son or wife needs you, or ask for your time.. facts of life!

But yes my car runs, needs a few things before Nov, but it should be ready to compete 100%.. Is it enough for the other GA boys, I would think so..

Is it the fastest Honda in Ga, no!!

Will it run 11's how it sits, no!!

will it make 250, umm no, not with stock port work!!

would you like to see my car dyno at mainstream? I'm sure it would make more in this weather!! LOL

And about the cams, I bought pro3's online, later did I find out they where not what was posted, point being at that time I was to install everything and be tuned.. I counted my chickens before they hatched.. "it should make more" is what I should have said!! Sry!!!

good luck.

[1civic]

good luck.

Did I cover all my bases? I would hate to make anymore false claims....

[boosted347]

that is just nasty...

this makes the ls1 civette look like a hot wheels lol and get that trans so you can run an 11 then

[1civic]

this makes the ls1 civette look like a hot wheels lol and get that trans so you can run an 11 then

that civette is just that, it's a civic body on a vette chassis..

and

Mike Jones is a Hater!!!! He don't want me to win..