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lol 175 single... good stuff. I'm about to start messing with bigger shots. I would like to get a 10.99 on a spraying stock block but I know that it won't be easy. That will be the goal at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by MidnightAuto
Just put this together a couple of weeks ago but haven't had the time to finish up yet...
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WAS moving for 2010, 2011 mid 12s easy. Bone stock motor. Morris tuned :ninja:
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Originally Posted by 1civic
Margin for error IMO is much greater on a 150-200 shot of nitrous. Sure you can step it up gradually, but I always found it to be extremely unstable and extremely inconsistent. Blowing motors up usually happens because nitrous IMO isn't as user friendly as a turbo. Nitrous Car you have far more variables.
Correct but if done correclty it can be controlled..Quote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
Very nice kit!!! Did you get the progressive controller?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moseley
Yeah I agree definitely more variables... and maybe a little inconsistent but not extremely. having a pressure activated switch on a warmer, or a pressure regulator gets rid of a lot of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
lol nope. going to add a lot of fuel and pull a lot of timing on the initial hit. who knows maybe I'm crazy but we'll see.Quote:
Originally Posted by MidnightAuto
Well it's obvious you two know what you're doing.
I'll be sure to ask some questions as I get closer to running it on mine
I think a 75 single fogger wet on a J would be straight forward. As far as I know the ECU might even pull timing for you if it detects any significant knock.
Only concern I'd have is the fuel setup. Some guy with a gt35r on a J35 ended up starving one of the fuel rails and blowing it up. but if you could be sure you'll maintain pressure then spray the shit out of it and go run 12s
Add another kit and do 50, then 100.. OR add the progressive controller to the 150-200 single hit..
Don't blast 150, 200 dry.. That thing will pop!!!
If it was wet than it would be much easier to tune with, but you must trust your tuning skills cause that 150 dry is no joke!!
I might do a 2 stage all dry. K-pro has 3 nitrous windows which have mph as one of the parameters so...
nitrous 1: 1st and 2nd gear single fogger on (60 or 75 shot)
nitrous 2: 3rd-5th gear direct port on (150 shot)
nitrous 3: 3rd gear only, no output, but add fuel and pull timing to help with the initial hit.
race gas for sure on any large dry shot. but hey if it blows up that's one more reason to build a motor
Good thing j motors are cheap :p
I love the stuff, quick easy power!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Moseley
Reading plugs can be your friend, keep that in mind!!
10.50's on a stock block K would be pretty sick, not sure you have the gear for it though..
I'm sure you'll have the power though!!
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Originally Posted by Vteckidd
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Originally Posted by Vteckidd
oh look another cheerleader.Quote:
Originally Posted by ghostofnyc
Sorry kid most people dont run nitrous on their hondas the RIGHT way, and because of that it is inconsistent and i stand by my statement.
V8s do it better for a reason
let me be crystal clear since you guys want to try and talk shit.
I DO NOT GIVE 2 SHITS ABOUT WHAT GOES ON IN NEW YORK. THIS ISNT NYC, THIS IS ATLANTA.
Having said that, i have seen more nitrous motors grenade because people arent willing to spend the money on the expensive parts. Kids will drop $4000 for a full race turbo kit, but they want to run ZEX kits on their stock motor and not tune it.
Also, i believe the intake manifold design, along with the small bore makes LARGE shots of nitrous extremely inconsistent. Ive seen it TIME AND TIME again on the dyno, where a 100 shot does anything from 50-75whp in back to back runs. Ive seen 200shots add 100whp, and worse. Has nothing to do with tuning, has to do with DELIVERY.
We have extremely small discplacement motors, and Nitrous is not as consistent as adding boost pressure, not as easy to control , IMO. When someone decides to run a consistent 150-200shot with proof to back it up its stable and can keep their motor together, ill change my mind.
I have yet to see it.
Mosely is prob the closest i have seen, hes had nitrous for awhile on that car, but he also doesnt run it ALL THE TIME. There was also a guy in Macon that had a K Hatch with a 200shot running 10s few years ago, and it was pretty stable. I cannot speak for anyone else.
Please do share what about the statement you quoted made you shake your head.Quote:
Originally Posted by ghostofnyc
its because im Vteckidd and hes from NYC. thats it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 05dc5s
nitrous dont blow motors idiots blow motors this not direct to no1 just stating a fact
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Originally Posted by MidnightAuto
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First of all I didn't disrespect you. Just like you said this is a public forum if you don't like what I said hit exit or back button. I'm by no means a cheerleader KID so get it straight I have been in this game just as long if not longer than you. I was simply disagreeing with your comments, this is why most of the honda crowd has no idea how to set up a nitrous car the correct way because of statments like yours. It's obvious that you don't know much about nitrous and that's fine but dont post misinformation thanks have a good day KID.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
Ok it's not the size of the shot just like with a turbo car not the size of turbo the key to making power and staying safe with N/A, Boost and Spray is fuel so if you provide adequate fuel for your goals it will be fine. Any car you build for performance will have variables so thats not a factor anyone who build's a performance car and expects it to do 200k miles is crazy. I have sprayed 150++ shots on STOCK bottom end B16's, GSR's, ITR's and H22's took motors apart to do maintenance and no issues no smoking nothing so with n20 you either know what your doing or you don't simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by 05dc5s
you forgot the 200shot j series (acura legend)Quote:
Originally Posted by ghostofnyc
Has nothing to do with it KID.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
Legend had more than 200 shot but automatic tranny didn't like you too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by jerseyef9
Cool blanket extremely vague statement bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by ghostofnyc
FUEL?? THATS ALL I NEEDED THIS WHOLE TIME? NO SHIT. /sarcasm
so i suppose a 40R on a 1.6L is perfectly fine as long as i have 1000cc injectors! sweet had no idea this whole time, learn something new everyday.
Seriously you guys like to try to argue the most retarded shit ever because you cant stand someone having an OPINION that disagrees with yours. Im waiting for the "OH MY BOY RAN A 200 SHOT ON HIS H22 AND IT DID FINE SO ITS PERFECTLY COOL YALL DONT KNOW WHATCHU TALKIN ABOUT"
Bullshit. If you are going to sit here and tell me YOU would tell a customer that a 150+ shot of NITROUS on a B16, ITR is perfectly safe because you add FUEL just proves how much you dont know. Fuel wont save your ringlands. IT becomes about cylidner pressure at that point. And just because you sprayed a 150 shot and survived doesnt mean you automatically "know what youre doing" so cut the holier than thou act.Quote:
Any car you build for performance will have variables so thats not a factor anyone who build's a performance car and expects it to do 200k miles is crazy. I have sprayed 150++ shots on STOCK bottom end B16's, GSR's, ITR's and H22's took motors apart to do maintenance and no issues no smoking nothing so with n20 you either know what your doing or you don't simple.
My statement is correct. Nitrous is very dangerous because most people do not do it right, and even if they do, in motors as small as ours, ITS VERY DIFFICULT to get the CORRECT delivery of Nitrous and Fuel and keep it CONSISTENT.
Thats FACT people, sorry. If you disagree bring me your STOCK engine car with 150+ shot of gas on it and let me run it 10 times back to back and see if power holds and the motor holds. If it survives and you dont suffer 10%+ greater power loss in between runs, ill give you $100, if it doesnt, then you pay for dyno time. show me how much you really know.
Ask jenson how many GSRs he blew up with his direct port kit, Kevin Tran how his 150shot really only made like 80whp (granted it was a crappy zex kit), hell i wont quote numbers but if memory serves moseleys car was very inconsistent on the dyno as well on spray. his 75 shot did not add 75whp.
Why cant you guys just stop, READ my fucking comments and COMPREHEND for once. Just because you guys shit fairy dust in NYC doesnt mean it works down here in the real world. MOST people dont run the CORRECT nitrous kit, and even if you do, its VERY inconsistent and usually leads to motor failure. I stand by that statement.
If you disagree, fine, but dont act like you "know more" because you did it on 1 motor one time in wonderland.
FYI im still waiting on someone to show me this 250whp B Series NA motor, just like i though, ZERO takers.
well excuse me mr genius when you come in here, quote posts i make, and say stuff like "LOL" and "SMH" without any explanantion ill call you out for being a condescending dickhead.Quote:
Originally Posted by ghostofnyc
Im not posting information, im posting facts backed up by real world experience. Congratulations, you somehow managed to get LUCKY and spray a massive amount of nitrous and not blow a motor up. Do you realize my main point was that nitrous was INCONSISTENT. So do you have back to back to back dynos to show how much power your 150shot was ACTUALLY making.
prob not
damn man U dont seem to be having a good day, whats with whole NYC this and NYC that, there is plenty of people that have tons more experience than most of IA including U and everyone else, y dont U try to understand what he is trying to explain instead of jumping on peoples backs because U havent seen it, then that means it hasnt or cnt be done? U should start being a little bit more open minded and stop denying everything people say. just saying
for example: U denying and saying there aint no 250whp bseries in ga this and that. and that its almost impossible, when MORRIS has tuned more Bseries then U could ever own, and U tell him NO like he hasnt done this for years
or U jumping on my back saying that there is no way a stock all motor honda could be running 13.4s on street tires just because Ur CRX couldnt do it.
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Originally Posted by Vteckidd
You are a funny KID yes fuel is the key did I say what kind of fuel no I didn't just like you can't make 800whp on pump in a boosted honda it takes know how with a nitrous car to run big shots. Yes consistancy is key with nitrous but bottle warmers, equal flow distribution blocks, and dedicated fuel or dry systems all work together for n20 consistancy. As for dyno numbers I could care less as long as the car is trapping consistant mph I know what power its making.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
And again i do not give 2 shits about what hes done in NYC.Quote:
Originally Posted by *EFilliated*
BRING ME THE 250whp ALL MOTOR B SERIES CAR TO MAINSTREAMS DYNO AND IF IT MAKES THAT ILL PAY HIM MONEY. I dont want to see dyno sheets of cars hes tuned, or videos from youtube.
I WANT TO SEE IT MAKE IT WITH MY OWN EYES ON A DYNO I KNOW DOESNT CHEAT, ON A DYNO I TRUST.
still waiting on that.........but i know it wont happen because if one existed it would have dynoed already
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Originally Posted by Vteckidd
oh snap so C16 magically makes ringlands better?!!! good to know. Jesus you guys are so smart, whatever have i been doing all these years. Youre argument has turned from "nitrous is totally reliable with the right fuel" to , "if you run all the right things and correct parts it is consistent"Quote:
Originally Posted by ghostofnyc
isnt that the EXACT same god damn arugment i just said?
ahh so all that stuff you listed basically agrees with what i said right? How MOST people dont run the right setup HENCE it leads to blown motors. Bring me a STOCK MOTOR with 150+ on it and take my challenge. Show me how much you really know about nitrous and enlighten us all.
Are you that dense?
sounds like another cop out. Once again when asked for proof or even a shred of evidence, none to be found.Quote:
As for dyno numbers I could care less as long as the car is trapping consistant mph I know what power its making
Nitrous cars ESPECIALLY need dyno time, prob more than any other car because of how volatile it is.
So youre telling me you run 150 shots blind ?
sorry i dont buy that for a second
why headslap, am i not anymore fucking clear for you people? Why is it so hard to understand? You guys claim these big numbers and all this street cred from some other state that none of us care about but we are supposed to respect it.Quote:
Originally Posted by *EFilliated*
ANd when someone like me comes along who has been involved in the atlanta scene AS LONG as the new york people i somehow dont know what im talking about.
Well i dont act like i know everything about NYC street racing, dont act like you guys know how easy it is to make power in GA.
Again, if that motor exists, lets see it. Im all ears, eyes, and cash is burning a hole in my pocket
you guys are retarded and im not going to waste my time or breath anymore on a bunch of people that refuse to even offer any kind of proof to back up their rediculous statements.
If you guys empty your pockets and shake out that 250whp B Series, you know how to find me.
the whole Bseries HP BS was settled weeks ago so idk y ur bringing that up here with a whole new discussion about nitrous, and dont worry we arnt in to hurry to try and prove people wrong, that will be achieved very soon
"It is my feeling that Time ripens all things; with Time all things are revealed; Time is the father of truth."
Francois Rabelais
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Originally Posted by Vteckidd
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go jump off a bridge you will see the car soon enough life doesnt revolve around vteckidd life.. when the car is ready you gonna see it on midnights dyno.. you wanna see it on mainstream dyno up the $$$$Quote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
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Originally Posted by top_speed
Vteckidd is a clown plain and simple. Asked about consistancy issues I solve them then he says thats what hes been saying all along so which is it consistant or inconsistant lmfao yes mr. almighty vtecKID you are the man and we should all :bow: down to you just cause you haven't seen something doesn't mean it hasn't been done. Notice I said stock block not stock motor you should take your own advice and read what people say k bye now .
Lol just putting in my 2cents but from reading just this page vteckidd looks like he was speaking the truth. He did say it's all about consistent and u just said it bout fuel.... Then explained how u make ur set up consistent.... Sooo in this cas vteckidd - 1 Ghostofnyc - 0