turbo civic putting in work

[ghostofnyc]

Margin for error IMO is much greater on a 150-200 shot of nitrous. Sure you can step it up gradually, but I always found it to be extremely unstable and extremely inconsistent. Blowing motors up usually happens because nitrous IMO isn't as user friendly as a turbo. Nitrous Car you have far more variables.

SMH

[Vteckidd]

SMH

oh look another cheerleader.

Sorry kid most people dont run nitrous on their hondas the RIGHT way, and because of that it is inconsistent and i stand by my statement.

V8s do it better for a reason

[ghostofnyc]

oh look another cheerleader.

Sorry kid most people dont run nitrous on their hondas the RIGHT way, and because of that it is inconsistent and i stand by my statement.

V8s do it better for a reason

First of all I didn't disrespect you. Just like you said this is a public forum if you don't like what I said hit exit or back button. I'm by no means a cheerleader KID so get it straight I have been in this game just as long if not longer than you. I was simply disagreeing with your comments, this is why most of the honda crowd has no idea how to set up a nitrous car the correct way because of statments like yours. It's obvious that you don't know much about nitrous and that's fine but dont post misinformation thanks have a good day KID.

[Vteckidd]

First of all I didn't disrespect you. Just like you said this is a public forum if you don't like what I said hit exit or back button. I'm by no means a cheerleader KID so get it straight I have been in this game just as long if not longer than you. I was simply disagreeing with your comments, this is why most of the honda crowd has no idea how to set up a nitrous car the correct way because of statments like yours. It's obvious that you don't know much about nitrous and that's fine but dont post misinformation thanks have a good day KID.

well excuse me mr genius when you come in here, quote posts i make, and say stuff like "LOL" and "SMH" without any explanantion ill call you out for being a condescending dickhead.

Im not posting information, im posting facts backed up by real world experience. Congratulations, you somehow managed to get LUCKY and spray a massive amount of nitrous and not blow a motor up. Do you realize my main point was that nitrous was INCONSISTENT. So do you have back to back to back dynos to show how much power your 150shot was ACTUALLY making.

prob not

[*EFilliated*]

damn man U dont seem to be having a good day, whats with whole NYC this and NYC that, there is plenty of people that have tons more experience than most of IA including U and everyone else, y dont U try to understand what he is trying to explain instead of jumping on peoples backs because U havent seen it, then that means it hasnt or cnt be done? U should start being a little bit more open minded and stop denying everything people say. just saying

for example: U denying and saying there aint no 250whp bseries in ga this and that. and that its almost impossible, when MORRIS has tuned more Bseries then U could ever own, and U tell him NO like he hasnt done this for years

or U jumping on my back saying that there is no way a stock all motor honda could be running 13.4s on street tires just because Ur CRX couldnt do it.

well excuse me mr genius when you come in here, quote posts i make, and say stuff like "LOL" and "SMH" without any explanantion ill call you out for being a condescending dickhead.

Im not posting information, im posting facts backed up by real world experience. Congratulations, you somehow managed to get LUCKY and spray a massive amount of nitrous and not blow a motor up. Do you realize my main point was that nitrous was INCONSISTENT. So do you have back to back to back dynos to show how much power your 150shot was ACTUALLY making.

prob not

[Vteckidd]

for example: u denying and saying there aint no 250whp bseries in ga this and that. and that its almost impossible, when MORRIS has tuned more Bseries then u could ever own, and u tell him NO like he hasnt done this for years

And again i do not give 2 shits about what hes done in NYC.

BRING ME THE 250whp ALL MOTOR B SERIES CAR TO MAINSTREAMS DYNO AND IF IT MAKES THAT ILL PAY HIM MONEY. I dont want to see dyno sheets of cars hes tuned, or videos from youtube.

I WANT TO SEE IT MAKE IT WITH MY OWN EYES ON A DYNO I KNOW DOESNT CHEAT, ON A DYNO I TRUST.

still waiting on that.........but i know it wont happen because if one existed it would have dynoed already

[*EFilliated*]

And again i do not give 2 shits about what hes done in NYC.

BRING ME THE 250whp ALL MOTOR B SERIES CAR TO MAINSTREAMS DYNO AND IF IT MAKES THAT ILL PAY HIM MONEY.

still waiting on that.........

[05dc5s]

SMH

Please do share what about the statement you quoted made you shake your head.

[Vteckidd]

Please do share what about the statement you quoted made you shake your head.

its because im Vteckidd and hes from NYC. thats it.

[jerseyef9]

nitrous dont blow motors idiots blow motors this not direct to no1 just stating a fact

[ghostofnyc]

its because im Vteckidd and hes from NYC. thats it.

Has nothing to do with it KID.

[ghostofnyc]

Please do share what about the statement you quoted made you shake your head.

Ok it's not the size of the shot just like with a turbo car not the size of turbo the key to making power and staying safe with N/A, Boost and Spray is fuel so if you provide adequate fuel for your goals it will be fine. Any car you build for performance will have variables so thats not a factor anyone who build's a performance car and expects it to do 200k miles is crazy. I have sprayed 150++ shots on STOCK bottom end B16's, GSR's, ITR's and H22's took motors apart to do maintenance and no issues no smoking nothing so with n20 you either know what your doing or you don't simple.

[jerseyef9]

Ok it's not the size of the shot just like with a turbo car not the size of turbo the key to making power and staying safe with N/A, Boost and Spray is fuel so if you provide adequate fuel for your goals it will be fine. Any car you build for performance will have variables so thats not a factor anyone who build's a performance car and expects it to do 200k miles is crazy. I have sprayed 150++ shots on STOCK bottom end B16's, GSR's, ITR's and H22's took motors apart to do maintenance and no issues no smoking nothing so with n20 you either know what your doing or you don't simple.

you forgot the 200shot j series (acura legend)

[ghostofnyc]

you forgot the 200shot j series (acura legend)

Legend had more than 200 shot but automatic tranny didn't like you too much.

[Vteckidd]

Ok it's not the size of the shot just like with a turbo car not the size of turbo the key to making power and staying safe with N/A, Boost and Spray is fuel so if you provide adequate fuel for your goals it will be fine.

Cool blanket extremely vague statement bro.

FUEL?? THATS ALL I NEEDED THIS WHOLE TIME? NO SHIT. /sarcasm

so i suppose a 40R on a 1.6L is perfectly fine as long as i have 1000cc injectors! sweet had no idea this whole time, learn something new everyday.

Seriously you guys like to try to argue the most retarded shit ever because you cant stand someone having an OPINION that disagrees with yours. Im waiting for the "OH MY BOY RAN A 200 SHOT ON HIS H22 AND IT DID FINE SO ITS PERFECTLY COOL YALL DONT KNOW WHATCHU TALKIN ABOUT"

Any car you build for performance will have variables so thats not a factor anyone who build's a performance car and expects it to do 200k miles is crazy. I have sprayed 150++ shots on STOCK bottom end B16's, GSR's, ITR's and H22's took motors apart to do maintenance and no issues no smoking nothing so with n20 you either know what your doing or you don't simple.

Bullshit. If you are going to sit here and tell me YOU would tell a customer that a 150+ shot of NITROUS on a B16, ITR is perfectly safe because you add FUEL just proves how much you dont know. Fuel wont save your ringlands. IT becomes about cylidner pressure at that point. And just because you sprayed a 150 shot and survived doesnt mean you automatically "know what youre doing" so cut the holier than thou act.

My statement is correct. Nitrous is very dangerous because most people do not do it right, and even if they do, in motors as small as ours, ITS VERY DIFFICULT to get the CORRECT delivery of Nitrous and Fuel and keep it CONSISTENT.

Thats FACT people, sorry. If you disagree bring me your STOCK engine car with 150+ shot of gas on it and let me run it 10 times back to back and see if power holds and the motor holds. If it survives and you dont suffer 10%+ greater power loss in between runs, ill give you $100, if it doesnt, then you pay for dyno time. show me how much you really know.

Ask jenson how many GSRs he blew up with his direct port kit, Kevin Tran how his 150shot really only made like 80whp (granted it was a crappy zex kit), hell i wont quote numbers but if memory serves moseleys car was very inconsistent on the dyno as well on spray. his 75 shot did not add 75whp.

Why cant you guys just stop, READ my fucking comments and COMPREHEND for once. Just because you guys shit fairy dust in NYC doesnt mean it works down here in the real world. MOST people dont run the CORRECT nitrous kit, and even if you do, its VERY inconsistent and usually leads to motor failure. I stand by that statement.

If you disagree, fine, but dont act like you "know more" because you did it on 1 motor one time in wonderland.

FYI im still waiting on someone to show me this 250whp B Series NA motor, just like i though, ZERO takers.

[ghostofnyc]

Cool blanket extremely vague statement bro.

FUEL?? THATS ALL I NEEDED THIS WHOLE TIME? NO SHIT. /sarcasm

so i suppose a 40R on a 1.6L is perfectly fine as long as i have 1000cc injectors! sweet had no idea this whole time, learn something new everyday.

Seriously you guys like to try to argue the most retarded shit ever because you cant stand someone having an OPINION that disagrees with yours. Im waiting for the "OH MY BOY RAN A 200 SHOT ON HIS H22 AND IT DID FINE SO ITS PERFECTLY COOL YALL DONT KNOW WHATCHU TALKIN ABOUT"





Bullshit. If you are going to sit here and tell me YOU would tell a customer that a 150+ shot of NITROUS on a B16, ITR is perfectly safe because you add FUEL just proves how much you dont know. Fuel wont save your ringlands. IT becomes about cylidner pressure at that point. And just because you sprayed a 150 shot and survived doesnt mean you automatically "know what youre doing" so cut the holier than thou act.

My statement is correct. Nitrous is very dangerous because most people do not do it right, and even if they do, in motors as small as ours, ITS VERY DIFFICULT to get the CORRECT delivery of Nitrous and Fuel and keep it CONSISTENT.

Thats FACT people, sorry. If you disagree bring me your STOCK engine car with 150+ shot of gas on it and let me run it 10 times back to back and see if power holds and the motor holds. If it survives and you dont suffer 10%+ greater power loss in between runs, ill give you $100, if it doesnt, then you pay for dyno time. show me how much you really know.

Ask jenson how many GSRs he blew up with his direct port kit, Kevin Tran how his 150shot really only made like 80whp (granted it was a crappy zex kit), hell i wont quote numbers but if memory serves moseleys car was very inconsistent on the dyno as well on spray. his 75 shot did not add 75whp.

Why cant you guys just stop, READ my fucking comments and COMPREHEND for once. Just because you guys shit fairy dust in NYC doesnt mean it works down here in the real world. MOST people dont run the CORRECT nitrous kit, and even if you do, its VERY inconsistent and usually leads to motor failure. I stand by that statement.

If you disagree, fine, but dont act like you "know more" because you did it on 1 motor one time in wonderland.

FYI im still waiting on someone to show me this 250whp B Series NA motor, just like i though, ZERO takers.

You are a funny KID yes fuel is the key did I say what kind of fuel no I didn't just like you can't make 800whp on pump in a boosted honda it takes know how with a nitrous car to run big shots. Yes consistancy is key with nitrous but bottle warmers, equal flow distribution blocks, and dedicated fuel or dry systems all work together for n20 consistancy. As for dyno numbers I could care less as long as the car is trapping consistant mph I know what power its making.

[Vteckidd]

You are a funny KID yes fuel is the key did I say what kind of fuel no I didn't just like you can't make 800whp on pump in a boosted honda it takes know how with a nitrous car to run big shots. Yes consistancy is key with nitrous but bottle warmers, equal flow distribution blocks, and dedicated fuel or dry systems all work together for n20 consistancy. As for dyno numbers I could care less as long as the car is trapping consistant mph I know what power its making.

oh snap so C16 magically makes ringlands better?!!! good to know. Jesus you guys are so smart, whatever have i been doing all these years. Youre argument has turned from "nitrous is totally reliable with the right fuel" to , "if you run all the right things and correct parts it is consistent"

isnt that the EXACT same god damn arugment i just said?

ahh so all that stuff you listed basically agrees with what i said right? How MOST people dont run the right setup HENCE it leads to blown motors. Bring me a STOCK MOTOR with 150+ on it and take my challenge. Show me how much you really know about nitrous and enlighten us all.

Are you that dense?

As for dyno numbers I could care less as long as the car is trapping consistant mph I know what power its making

sounds like another cop out. Once again when asked for proof or even a shred of evidence, none to be found.

Nitrous cars ESPECIALLY need dyno time, prob more than any other car because of how volatile it is.

So youre telling me you run 150 shots blind ?
sorry i dont buy that for a second

[Vteckidd]

Ok hold onto your hats lets get this all over with. Concerning the NITROUS TALK. Lets see what i said

Sorry kid most people dont run nitrous on their hondas the RIGHT way, and because of that it is inconsistent and i stand by my statement.

You are a funny KID yes fuel is the key did I say what kind of fuel no I didn't just like you can't make 800whp on pump in a boosted honda it takes know how with a nitrous car to run big shots. Yes consistancy is key with nitrous but bottle warmers, equal flow distribution blocks, and dedicated fuel or dry systems all work together for n20 consistancy. As for dyno numbers I could care less as long as the car is trapping consistant mph I know what power its making.

ISNT THAT EXACTLY WHAT I FUCKING SAID IN THE FIRST PLACE>???????

Furthermore i dont GIVE respect to some jackass that comes on IA and his first post is "SMH". Even further i could give two shits what hes done in NYC, NEWSFLASH PEOPLE THIS ISNT NEW YORK. YOU ARE IN OUR SANDBOX NOW. I dont go to NYC and proclaim to know everything about the NYC street racing and import culture, dont come to Atlanta and act like you are gods gift to imports.

All i have heard is talk talk talk talk talk. NYC2ATL has been here for more than a year so if this car that makes 250whp REALLY DOES EXIST it should be SIMPLE to produce. Bring it out, strap it down, dyno it, case closed. Whats the hold up?

I mean you guys talk about street racing, but bobby runs his mouth and his cars been down for months, the K24 hatch took 4 hours after a callout to get an axle, this magical other car is down now because of a clutch. I mean a clutch is a 1 hour job? you guys cant find 1 hour to put it together? Your dyno is in, i didnt see 45 cars in the parking lot you cant be that busy? is the car even IN GA?

All im saying is you guys want respect, but you dont want to earn it. You just want everyone to be like OMG YOU GUYS ARE FROM NY YOU GET INSTANT AWESOMENESS. But when guys like me and chunky, guys that have been here for 10+ years in ATLANTA, you guys want to act like we dont know what WE are talking about. Well respect goes both ways guys. YOu gotta give it to earn it.

Stretch youre a nice guy, doesnt mean im not gonna disagree with you. Doesnt mean im not gonna say what i wanna say. I dont keep my mouth shut for anyone. That i promise you. I dont expect any different from you. Doesnt mean i hate you or anything.

If you guys rep NY so bad, WHY ARE YOU IN ATL? I could care less about the city rivalries, this isnt a Young Jeezy video im not "reppin" anything.

SO lets recap:

1) What i said about nitrous was that most people dont run it correctly, dont spend the money to do it right, and it blows motors up. WHich is EXACTLY what your cheerleader came in here to say , AFTER he was super condescending hiding behind his screename.

2) This 250whp B Series NA motor DOESNT EXIST IN GA, IT HASNT DYNOED IN GA , YOU DONT KNOW WHAT ITS GOING TO MAKE IN GA. SO stop acting like its here. WHen it makes it, ill be the first to pay up, and first to say "AWESOME". but until that happens, i stand by my statement and bobby can honestly run his mouth all he wants we all know the score now

3) To the little cheerleader kids, no one gives a shit what you say.

4) The problem you guys have with me is im not afraid to say im not impressed, or say my opinion. You guys obviously arent used to that. Well sorry, its the way i am.

5) This whole "bought" vs "built" is bullshit. DONT BRING IT UP AGAIN it just shows how absolutely retarded you guys are who do mention it. Once again, ive worked on plenty of cars , i CHOSE to have someone BETTER than me build my RACE ENGINE. SO THE FUCK WHAT. You guys RUN A SHOP, you realise you DEPEND on people to have YOU Perform work because THEY CANT. So are you going to chastize all your customers too? didnt think so, so dont do it to me.

6) I have nothing to do in the street racing scene anymore but hang out. But your on a forum ive been on for 10+ years, and helped grow, pay for, advertise on , etc. SO sorry, this is my pond. I will voice my opinion. I would expect the same if i went on a NY forum.

7) I had plenty of beef with Mosely last year, we met up, he accepted my challenge, he dynoed, i bought him, matt and luis dinner afterwards, and that was that. Im not too proud to admit i was wrong, or have a debate or discussion with people. But difference between Mosely and me is he taught me some things, and i explained some things to him. We were both willing to hear the other side, and if we disagree, so be it.

SO this "small minded" argument frankly is a copout from someone who is afraid of proving me wrong. No one is saying morris sucks or cant tune or anything of that nature. WHat we are saying is, whatever your resume is in NY, means nothing here. and vice versa. So instead of making claims, make HP. Cause right now all i see is a bunch of talk, not a lot of action, and no one taking me up on any bet at all.

Atlanta is just as good as NYC. We have guys making the power they make up there. Scotty has tuned 1000+cars, hes making 800+whp on stovers car. so i dont buy this "we dont know what we are doing we must have the NY guys show us" bullshit.

ANd thats the bottom line.

[Moseley]

SO lets recap:

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BOOM FIREWORKS!

:couch:

[stretch]

Ok hold onto your hats lets get this all over with. Concerning the NITROUS TALK. Lets see what i said




ISNT THAT EXACTLY WHAT I FUCKING SAID IN THE FIRST PLACE>???????

Furthermore i dont GIVE respect to some jackass that comes on IA and his first post is "SMH". Even further i could give two shits what hes done in NYC, NEWSFLASH PEOPLE THIS ISNT NEW YORK. YOU ARE IN OUR SANDBOX NOW. I dont go to NYC and proclaim to know everything about the NYC street racing and import culture, dont come to Atlanta and act like you are gods gift to imports.

All i have heard is talk talk talk talk talk. NYC2ATL has been here for more than a year so if this car that makes 250whp REALLY DOES EXIST it should be SIMPLE to produce. Bring it out, strap it down, dyno it, case closed. Whats the hold up?

I mean you guys talk about street racing, but bobby runs his mouth and his cars been down for months, the K24 hatch took 4 hours after a callout to get an axle, this magical other car is down now because of a clutch. I mean a clutch is a 1 hour job? you guys cant find 1 hour to put it together? Your dyno is in, i didnt see 45 cars in the parking lot you cant be that busy? is the car even IN GA?

All im saying is you guys want respect, but you dont want to earn it. You just want everyone to be like OMG YOU GUYS ARE FROM NY YOU GET INSTANT AWESOMENESS. But when guys like me and chunky, guys that have been here for 10+ years in ATLANTA, you guys want to act like we dont know what WE are talking about. Well respect goes both ways guys. YOu gotta give it to earn it.

Stretch youre a nice guy, doesnt mean im not gonna disagree with you. Doesnt mean im not gonna say what i wanna say. I dont keep my mouth shut for anyone. That i promise you. I dont expect any different from you. Doesnt mean i hate you or anything.

If you guys rep NY so bad, WHY ARE YOU IN ATL? I could care less about the city rivalries, this isnt a Young Jeezy video im not "reppin" anything.

SO lets recap:

1) What i said about nitrous was that most people dont run it correctly, dont spend the money to do it right, and it blows motors up. WHich is EXACTLY what your cheerleader came in here to say , AFTER he was super condescending hiding behind his screename.

2) This 250whp B Series NA motor DOESNT EXIST IN GA, IT HASNT DYNOED IN GA , YOU DONT KNOW WHAT ITS GOING TO MAKE IN GA. SO stop acting like its here. WHen it makes it, ill be the first to pay up, and first to say "AWESOME". but until that happens, i stand by my statement and bobby can honestly run his mouth all he wants we all know the score now

3) To the little cheerleader kids, no one gives a shit what you say.

4) The problem you guys have with me is im not afraid to say im not impressed, or say my opinion. You guys obviously arent used to that. Well sorry, its the way i am.

5) This whole "bought" vs "built" is bullshit. DONT BRING IT UP AGAIN it just shows how absolutely retarded you guys are who do mention it. Once again, ive worked on plenty of cars , i CHOSE to have someone BETTER than me build my RACE ENGINE. SO THE FUCK WHAT. You guys RUN A SHOP, you realise you DEPEND on people to have YOU Perform work because THEY CANT. So are you going to chastize all your customers too? didnt think so, so dont do it to me.

6) I have nothing to do in the street racing scene anymore but hang out. But your on a forum ive been on for 10+ years, and helped grow, pay for, advertise on , etc. SO sorry, this is my pond. I will voice my opinion. I would expect the same if i went on a NY forum.

7) I had plenty of beef with Mosely last year, we met up, he accepted my challenge, he dynoed, i bought him, matt and luis dinner afterwards, and that was that. Im not too proud to admit i was wrong, or have a debate or discussion with people. But difference between Mosely and me is he taught me some things, and i explained some things to him. We were both willing to hear the other side, and if we disagree, so be it.

SO this "small minded" argument frankly is a copout from someone who is afraid of proving me wrong. No one is saying morris sucks or cant tune or anything of that nature. WHat we are saying is, whatever your resume is in NY, means nothing here. and vice versa. So instead of making claims, make HP. Cause right now all i see is a bunch of talk, not a lot of action, and no one taking me up on any bet at all.

Atlanta is just as good as NYC. We have guys making the power they make up there. Scotty has tuned 1000+cars, hes making 800+whp on stovers car. so i dont buy this "we dont know what we are doing we must have the NY guys show us" bullshit.

ANd thats the bottom line.

im not begging for ur respect sir... ur a cool guy in person too, but ur an asshole on the forums sometimes, much like myself so im cool with that..... but u keep going on and on about this when i set the record straight in my last text.... ur an ass for saying its all talk, WE callout moseley,and WE ran him didnt we...... we had a bad axle and instead of saying yow we cant do it, we had and axle brought here from lithonia just to honour the race, which was a fuccin fun ass race even with no traction.... so morris and i talk but we back it the fucc up vtecckidd... how dare u say some shit like that...... u came to our spot and saw we under construction..
the all motor b series is not our car so whenever the customer is ready to spend his hard earned money he will , which he just called me while im typing this saying all this shit talk got him tight so he ready.... so soon we will put the car on the dyno and see wat it does..... and cut the talk bout a clutch is a 1hr job cause we know that, its just that the car is in georgia but at the customers house til HE IS READY.....

[05dc5s]

Ok it's not the size of the shot just like with a turbo car not the size of turbo the key to making power and staying safe with N/A, Boost and Spray is fuel so if you provide adequate fuel for your goals it will be fine. Any car you build for performance will have variables so thats not a factor anyone who build's a performance car and expects it to do 200k miles is crazy. I have sprayed 150++ shots on STOCK bottom end B16's, GSR's, ITR's and H22's took motors apart to do maintenance and no issues no smoking nothing so with n20 you either know what your doing or you don't simple.

Ok here is the thing though. Nothing of what he said really warranted a SMH response IMHO. Nor did it disagree with what you said. So that is why I asked. What he said is true and nitrous simply isn't as stable or repeatable as a turbo. Does that mean it's wholly unsafe though? Does that mean nitrous cannot be done safely? No and he did not say that. Doest that mean that it cannot be controlled and done succesfully? No and he did not say that either.

While is true that any car you build will have variables and any car you build will almost certainly have a high exchange cost of durability for performance I think it would be very fair to say that with nitrous there is a finer line to be walking on compared to other things that can be done to a car i.e. a turbo, s/c, or a built motor. You dont agree there is a larger margin for error with those as compared to a nitrous car?

Your last comment actuall really solidifies this. If you either know what you're doing or you dont then wouldn't that mean you are walking a precarious line?

[ghostofnyc]

Ok here is the thing though. Nothing of what he said really warranted a SMH response IMHO. Nor did it disagree with what you said. So that is why I asked. What he said is true and nitrous simply isn't as stable or repeatable as a turbo. Does that mean it's wholly unsafe though? Does that mean nitrous cannot be done safely? No and he did not say that. Doest that mean that it cannot be controlled and done succesfully? No and he did not say that either.

While is true that any car you build will have variables and any car you build will almost certainly have a high exchange cost of durability for performance I think it would be very fair to say that with nitrous there is a finer line to be walking on compared to other things that can be done to a car i.e. a turbo, s/c, or a built motor. You dont agree there is a larger margin for error with those as compared to a nitrous car?

Your last comment actuall really solidifies this. If you either know what you're doing or you dont then wouldn't that mean you are walking a precarious line?

I was just going off what he said about stock motors where Morris disagreed as I do. For all the real tuner's out there they will tell you that it is possible to run 125-150 shots on stock block and yes fuel and tuning are the what keeps motors together. Since he claim the ringlands are so weak and etc etc what causes them to crack and break hummm detonation so if octane that is used is raised that will yeild a higher detonation point but again what do I know. I'm glad you said any car you build has variables thats so true say a turbo car with bad wg placement or a boost leak sound like variables to me but hay it is what it is. I prefer n20 car over a turbo car anyday Morris can tell you this, with nitrous cars thinking inside the box it seems like they have smaller margin for error but once you step out of the box and try different things the light comes on. Nitrous can be just as repeatable as a turbo car in my opinion from things I have tried and done along the way but opinions are like asshole everyone's got one.

05DC5 you seem like a aight guy

[ghostofnyc]

BTW vtecKID that wasn't my 1st post and if you look and read my sign up date is before Morris's. Do I know Morris yes I do he is basically family so no cheerleader BS here I give respect where respect is due with that said FUCK YOU and have a nice day