For E36slide - real world Cobra with $5k in mods

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Its not misleading. If you could read and do math, you would know this.
I know much more about auto transmissions and transbrakes than you know - that's painfully obvious.

I still know more about math than you do. The fact still remains that you can't add. The car has more than $5k in it. Period.

[David88vert]

I still know more about math than you do. The fact still remains that you can't add. The car has more than $5k in it. Period.

Evidently not. You couldn't add up the figures that I listed for you in an earlier post. I gave you links to actual parts available, yet you still live in denial.

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Evidently not. You couldn't add up the figures that I listed for you in an earlier post. I gave you links to actual parts available, yet you still live in denial.

Using the links you provided, using eBay, Craigslist, whatever, there is more than $5000 worth of parts on that car. Period. End of story. I'm not gonna sit here and argue that 1+2=3 anymore. You're not a child.

[whatever210]

The original arguement was an '03 Evo vs. '03 Cobra

I get your point, and it's very well taken, however, it is not relevant in this thread.

so are we talking stock for stock, because if not then this is pointless. because once you start modding them then it changes everything.

edit: i see theres a 5k limit. and this thread will never end. its gunna be a never ending pissing contest. to many factors come into play now. 5k i know i can get 500hp out of my car. now will it beat a cobra with 5k mods. who knows untill we race them.

heres a old video. im sure theres more than 5k mods into this evo but its very fast. and many close races. but too many factors involved to have a clear winner

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZOx...YwQ8OiENdPGpWA

[David88vert]

Using the links you provided, using eBay, Craigslist, whatever, there is more than $5000 worth of parts on that car. Period. End of story. I'm not gonna sit here and argue that 1+2=3 anymore. You're not a child.

Thanks for proving that you are unable to add.

Whipple 3.4 - 3100
fuel - 900 (and could still negotiate to less)
injectors - 200
wheels/tires - 600
installation/tune - DIY

[E36slide]

This is an opinionated conversation. The factors are to close to call.

Stock evo 8 in 2003 ran a 12.1

Stock cobra ran a 11.9

Meaning this would be a drivers race from the start.

Now which platform is easier to achieve power cheaper and without cracking open the block?

I don't know much about cobras but I don't think you're putting over 600whp on stock internals and same with the evo.

So a 600whp cobra vs a 600whp evo?

Stock suspension vs stock suspension which one would be able to make the best run? I'm still sticking with the evo. If it was able to run a 12.1 with 100 less hp then imagine it with a good suspension setup and 3k-4k dumped into it. Easy low 11's high 10's car.

Again we're all speculating as none of us own a evo or cobra with just 5k in mods and we're no longer in 2003.

I was only arguing that the evo was a better but for 2003. It was 6-8k cheaper and ran close 1/4th times. If I had 40k I'm buying the evo and dumping the rest into the suspension and motor. Hell you would need more then 40k for the cobra just to drop 5k. Evo was around 29-32k, so if its 32k you have 8k left over the. If you handed me 5k and said "go have fun" I now have 13k for modifications. The cobra was around 36k meaning 4k left over plus 5k= 9k overall (hypothetically speaking) for modifications.

Which one was more bang for your buck? Not which one was a better plat form later on to run easy 9's.


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[SHHHH]

....I don't know much about cobras but I don't think you're putting over 600whp on stock internals and same with the evo....

I had 656rwhp on my 2003 without ever opening the motor and there are people with stock longblocks running even more then that safely.

[E36slide]

I had 656rwhp on my 2003 without ever opening the motor and there are people with stock longblocks running even more then that safely.

Again people with no car knowledge wouldn't know that. That's a little hard to believe that's safe on a stock "ford" motor.

Either way its still a risk and we all know at the drag strip shit tends to break. Which one would be more reliable at 500-600whp. I believe dsm's have proven themselves in that department. Either way its a close matchup.


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[SHHHH]

Again people with no car knowledge wouldn't know that. That's a little hard to believe that's safe on a stock "ford" motor.

Either way its still a risk and we all know at the drag strip shit tends to break. Which one would be more reliable at 500-600whp. I believe dsm's have proven themselves in that department. Either way its a close matchup.


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My stock longblock Ford motor is pushing out over 700rwhp and 700ftlbs. The 4.6L '03-'04 motors have way better rods then my current engine as well. I can understand that you may not know about Fords but dont discriminate just because its got a blue oval slapped on the back of it


As for which 550-600rwhp car would be more reliable? The 2003 Cobra hands down. 550-600rwhp 03/04's are a dime a dozen literally. Like I posted my buddies specs on his previous 2004 Cobra. Over 500rwhp and 500ftlbs with a Dremel tool and some exhaust hahaha.

[E36slide]

My stock longblock Ford motor is pushing out over 700rwhp and 700ftlbs. The 4.6L '03-'04 motors have way better rods then my current engine as well. I can understand that you may not know about Fords but dont discriminate just because its got a blue oval slapped on the back of it


As for which 550-600rwhp car would be more reliable? The 2003 Cobra hands down. 550-600rwhp 03/04's are a dime a dozen literally. Like I posted my buddies specs on his previous 2004 Cobra. Over 500rwhp and 500ftlbs with a Dremel tool and some exhaust hahaha.

Well it's more which is better money for money in 2003 if only given 40k.

Now were all 03-04 cobras running long or short blocks straight out of factory ?


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[E36slide]

Now that is more like it...


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[SHHHH]

Well it's more which is better money for money in 2003 if only given 40k.

Now were all 03-04 cobras running long or short blocks straight out of factory ?

Im not really sure what you are asking......but heres some quick google info that may help you out. Short block and long block are just terms used to describe an engine. So by me stating earlier I was running a factory long block; I was saying that I never opened the valve covers, removed heads, swapped out rotating assembly, ect..(My motor was 100% stock besides the different blower sitting on top of it)

Short block is usually a term used when purchasing a block along with the rotating assembly but not including heads and above. Ex. You have a set of heads you want to install but you want a new block and forged rotating assembly, pistons ect..




Long block is usually a term used when purchasing a block along with the rotating assembly but including heads, cams, possibly the front pulleys ect.

[SHHHH]

Now that you know the difference I think its safe to say they were all running factory long blocks+pulleys, intake, senors,electronics, ect... If I bought a brand new Cobra and it only had a short block under the hood I would be a little pissed

[David88vert]

This is an opinionated conversation. The factors are to close to call.

Stock evo 8 in 2003 ran a 12.1

Stock cobra ran a 11.9

Meaning this would be a drivers race from the start.

Now which platform is easier to achieve power cheaper and without cracking open the block?

I don't know much about cobras but I don't think you're putting over 600whp on stock internals and same with the evo.

So a 600whp cobra vs a 600whp evo?

Stock suspension vs stock suspension which one would be able to make the best run? I'm still sticking with the evo. If it was able to run a 12.1 with 100 less hp then imagine it with a good suspension setup and 3k-4k dumped into it. Easy low 11's high 10's car.

Again we're all speculating as none of us own a evo or cobra with just 5k in mods and we're no longer in 2003.

I was only arguing that the evo was a better but for 2003. It was 6-8k cheaper and ran close 1/4th times. If I had 40k I'm buying the evo and dumping the rest into the suspension and motor. Hell you would need more then 40k for the cobra just to drop 5k. Evo was around 29-32k, so if its 32k you have 8k left over the. If you handed me 5k and said "go have fun" I now have 13k for modifications. The cobra was around 36k meaning 4k left over plus 5k= 9k overall (hypothetically speaking) for modifications.

Which one was more bang for your buck? Not which one was a better plat form later on to run easy 9's.


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You can do about 700rwhp on stock Cobra internals.

Now, if it was 2003, and I could buy either, and just drive it stock, then I would easily go with the Evo 8, just for the fun factor.

[E36slide]

Im not really sure what you are asking......but heres some quick google info that may help you out. Short block and long block are just terms used to describe an engine. So by me stating earlier I was running a factory long block; I was saying that I never opened the valve covers, removed heads, swapped out rotating assembly, ect..

Short block is usually a term used when purchasing a block along with the rotating assembly but not including heads and above. Ex. You have a set of heads you want to install but you want a new block and forged rotating assembly, pistons ect..




Long block is usually a term used when purchasing a block along with the rotating assembly but including heads, cams, possibly the front pulleys ect.

Yeah I never followed the long/short block terms. I've always bought motors at a whole. I was always curious what people meant by short/long block. Now I know. Seems like something very simple to grasp I've just never cared to google it or ask anyone.


The main question was what car would you buy for under 40k in 2003. Sin fix argued no car for the giving price and with 5k spending money could touch the cobra and I argued the evo could. If it could not it be a very close race.

Of course now days you could build a mustang cheaper to run 9's then a evo but we're not discussing which could run 9's easier.

If you only had 40k which car would you buy and with the remanding money be able to out preform the other.

Cobra 40-36k

Evo- 40-32k

Which is more bang for your buck giving the year is 2003.


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[SHHHH]

Its all good man, now you know. Crate motors are the ones with all the pulleys, sensors, ect hooked up. You can just unbox it and drop it into your car.

Which is more bang for your buck giving the year is 2003.

I'd still say a 2003 Cobra because of the example I posted earlier with my buddies Cobra. He payed for a CAI and exhaust(combined less than $1,000) and was making over 500rwhp and 500ftlbs because he did the porting himself which you can literally do with a Dremel.

[David88vert]

Back in 2003, no question - Cobra. There were a ton of parts already for it. The Evo 8 did not have as much support in the US, so it cost more to get parts.
Also, back in 03, you could still get used parts for the Cobra, but not the Evo.

[E36slide]

Back in 2003, no question - Cobra. There were a ton of parts already for it. The Evo 8 did not have as much support in the US, so it cost more to get parts.
Also, back in 03, you could still get used parts for the Cobra, but not the Evo.

True, but you could still get a gt30 at that time. Larger injectors weren't all that much and a decent exhaust wasn't all that expensive. The only thing that would be hard to obtain would be an exhaust manifold for top mount gt30. Most of the work would be custom fab-Ed.

Like I said its mostly speculation as you don't know who would be buying the cars and what mechanical experience they have or don't have. In the eye of a consumer in 2003 more people would choose the evo just because of the "fun factor" you mentioned earlier. I like a car that serves more then just one purpose. I also believe they had a mr edition that was more of a track evo. One of my friends had one in high school, but idk of the add ons were mostly cosmetic or engine performance based.


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[David88vert]

True, but you could still get a gt30 at that time. Larger injectors weren't all that much and a decent exhaust wasn't all that expensive. The only thing that would be hard to obtain would be an exhaust manifold for top mount gt30. Most of the work would be custom fab-Ed.

Like I said its mostly speculation as you don't know who would be buying the cars and what mechanical experience they have or don't have. In the eye of a consumer in 2003 more people would choose the evo just because of the "fun factor" you mentioned earlier. I like a car that serves more then just one purpose. I also believe they had a mr edition that was more of a track evo. One of my friends had one in high school, but idk of the add ons were mostly cosmetic or engine performance based.


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There weren't many off-brand turbos back then in the aftermarket, and the cheapest ones started off at about $1K. As more companies released more, prices dropped.
Only way to get a manifold was to get a JDM one shipped, or have one made. More people can bolt on parts, than can weld.

Riceboy owned an MR back then - and I am familiar with what it could do.

[E36slide]

There weren't many off-brand turbos back then in the aftermarket, and the cheapest ones started off at about $1K. As more companies released more, prices dropped.
Only way to get a manifold was to get a JDM one shipped, or have one made. More people can bolt on parts, than can weld.

Riceboy owned an MR back then - and I am familiar with what it could do.

What about other accessible dsm parts. They pretty much went off of the same platform that they did with the talon and GSX eclipse


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[Catnip]

DSM and Evo 8 parts aren't interchangable.

Don't forget you can always buy a SRA swap for under $500, and I know for a fact the complete Cobra IRS can be sold for $1400 (a good friend of mine just went through this). The 99/01 Cobra IRS is different from the '03/'04 IRS. That's a $900 credit towards this $5k cap. That's enough for drag shocks, gear, and moser axles...

[On_Her_Face]

Just to chime in my opinion I would go with the Cobra. I've had friends make 470-480 whp with way under 5k. Now would it be faster at the track I don't know but I would rather have the Cobra.

[Bacon]

What's a base model Cobra? There were several different models of Cobras during the 03-04 era?

[SHHHH]

What's a base model Cobra? There were several different models of Cobras during the 03-04 era?

No. Someone was just misinformed.