For E36slide - real world Cobra with $5k in mods

[David88vert]

The owner was in a bad accident years ago and was paralyzed from the chest down... so, all his street cars have hand controls. I'm exempting the cost of the transmission, as he would still be manual if he could drive one.
This Cobra has a Whipple 3.4, STOCK LONG BLOCK (no cams, etc), Coan T400 trans with a steering wheel pushbutton shifter on the right thumb, Kurgan spec'd UCC converter, and is FULL WEIGHT (this car has A/C, all new leather seats, and big stereo).
The best ET was 9.76 @ 140mph.

You're not going to get an Evo 8 into the 9's like this for this cheap.

[CSquared]

I call bs until I am taken for a ride and literally shit my pants.

[1civic]

I call B/S cause the whipple, trans, and fuel system would be over 5K, then you need suspn, and slicks.. O, I forgot labor/tune!


5800+ just for whipple: http://www.stage3motorsports.com/pro...FQixnQodEiwA0A

Tranny 2k, and thats a cheap one.. Good one like 5K!! http://www.coanracing.com/Catalog.as...uctDetail=1569

Fuel Setup another 1700.. http://www.lethalperformance.com/let...el-system.html

That don't include suspension, tuning, or labor!


Please post facts, Thanks!

[David88vert]

I call B/S cause the whipple, trans, and fuel system would be over 5K, then you need suspn, and slicks.. O, I forgot labor/tune!


5800+ just for whipple: 2003-2004 Mustang Cobra Whipple 3.4L Crusher Supercharger Kit (Polished)

Tranny 2k, and thats a cheap one.. Good one like 5K!! CoanRacing.Com | COA-21128-5 | "SUPER COMPETITION" W/ BRAKE, HEAVY DUTY 34 ELEMENT SPRAG, 300M ALLOY INPUT SHAFT, STEEL CLUTCH HUB, DEEP ALUMINUM PAN (REVERSED PATTERN, BUICK, OLDS, PONTIAC 4" EXT.)

Fuel Setup another 1700.. Lethal Performance 99-04 SN95 4V 1000rwhp Return Style Fuel System

That don't include suspension, tuning, or labor!


Please post facts, Thanks!

Fact: You can't read - I stated that I was not including tranny price. If the guy wasn't in a wheelchair, he could still be driving a manual.

Fact: E36Slide was never including labor in this build costs, nor any other parts other than engine. Just because you don't know how to install a SC, doesn't mean that others dont't. (sarcasim, in case you don't get it)

Fact: The Whipple 3.4 is $4200 - Whipple 03-04 Cobra W210AX (3.4L) SC "Upgrade" Kit / 22-23psi / Black WK-200110P on eBay!
You went out and found a "package" that has a bunch of other add-ins, so you could try to jack up the price.

Oh yeah - E36Slide was talking about getting a USED turbo for his Evo 8 setup. Who's to say that a Cobra owner couldn't get a USED 3.4 - even cheaper. Compare apples to apples.
Here's a brand new one that sold for $3100 - http://forums.corral.net/forums/powe...004-cobra.html
Another ASKING $3500 - http://forums.corral.net/forums/powe...e-gen-2-a.html

What if you wanted a bigger setup? How about $4000, including the tank mounted IC and the $2000 crusher inlet:
http://forums.corral.net/forums/powe...-04-cobra.html

Lots of options, and cheaper than people realize.

Fact: You can pick up Aeromotive parts off CL or Corral for cheap - just like E36Slide was quoting. I sold a couple of full Aeromotive setup, including pump, lines, tank, etc. for $800 and under. In fact, I've never sold a complete kit for over $800. And I've had several of them. Dayton on here got one full setup from me for his RX7 even. That one didn't have a tank, so he only paid $350 for it. Injectors only are about 200 on Corral all day long. Fuel line can be bought separately. There is no need to buy Lethal's most expensive package.
Here's an example - ASKING $900 for a full fuel system for a Cobra - and not getting it: http://forums.corral.net/forums/fuel...-700-rwhp.html

You just went out and looked for the most expensive packages that you could find to bump up the price. If someone wanted to build it like YOU and E36 would - at home, with a collection of parts - then the price is right in line with what I stated. Of course, you would probably just hand port the Eaton, and make low 10's with that instead, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0I7iOfT0R0

[KyleG]

I do not care the price, that man is dedicated and into it because he loves it. Clearly, price isn't stopping the man. That car is sweet!

[Sinfix_15]

One major flaw in your post.......




























you're implying that e36 lives in the real world

[SmackedInATL]

Fuel system plus the 3.4 is way more than 5k...As for the suspension...removing front sway bar and a 26 spline, drag pack with 28" slicks, would probably get a 9.9x done on that setup.

[David88vert]

Fuel system plus the 3.4 is way more than 5k...As for the suspension...removing front sway bar and a 26 spline, drag pack with 28" slicks, would probably get a 9.9x done on that setup.

Fuel system can be built cheap. I've had several full fuel systems on multiple cars. See above post.


Who doesn't have wheels and tires just sitting around ready to go to the track? I do. Mine would bolt some 26's on a Cobra right now, and I don't own a Cobra.

[1civic]

FACT is you lied.. YOU FAIL!!

Edit:

If it was only 5k to run 9's in a cobra then everyone would be doing it, your post is misleading, and inaccurate...

[David88vert]

FACT is you lied.. YOU FAIL!!

Edit:

If it was only 5k to run 9's in a cobra then everyone would be doing it, your post is misleading...

I didn't lie. I stated my original post clearly. You're reading comprehension FAILS: "The owner was in a bad accident years ago and was paralyzed from the chest down... so, all his street cars have hand controls. I'm exempting the cost of the transmission, as he would still be manual if he could drive one." Re-read it.

If you had read the original thread, you would have seen that E36 exempted all of the supporting mods in his arguement that an Evo 8 was superior, When he started talking DSM's, he even claimed that he would get his turbo out of a junkyard. You think that the Cobra owner has to buy new?

Go to the track - lots of Cobras in the 9's and 10's. Not many Evo 8s. Makes you wonder why.

I thought that you used to work on Mustangs? You don't know this? Perhaps you need to be checked by a doctor for memory loss.

[1civic]

I didn't lie. I stated my original post clearly. You're reading comprehension FAILS: "The owner was in a bad accident years ago and was paralyzed from the chest down... so, all his street cars have hand controls. I'm exempting the cost of the transmission, as he would still be manual if he could drive one." Re-read it.

Go to the track - lots of Cobras in the 9's and 10's. Not many Evo 8s. Makes you wonder why.

I thought that you used to work on Mustangs? You don't know this? Perhaps you need to be checked by a doctor for memory loss.

I worked at Modular Power, and labor rate was 125hr... I've done every mod on a mustang that can be done, but every blower setup I've installed was over 5K!!

Could someone source parts cheaper, and do install them-self.. SURE!!

[SHHHH]

I worked at Modular Power, and labor rate was 125hr... I've done every mod on a mustang that can be done, but every blower setup I've installed was over 5K!!

Could someone source parts cheaper, and do install them-self.. SURE!!

You worked at MPH with Tim, Jeff and Brandon?

[1civic]

You worked at MPH with Tim, Jeff and Brandon?

Yes.. Brandon, and Jeff are good people.. Jeff still had shop, but they where talking about hiring him when I was there..

[1civic]

I'm un-sure why I posted considering I haven't followed the argument you're having with E36.. smh

[SHHHH]

Not a Cobra but a GT500. American Racing Longtube headers, 15% OD Pulley, Barton Shifter, FRPP TB, JLT CAI, slicks and skinnies.
Stock suspension, stock supercharger, stock fuel system and well under $5,000 in mods.

[Vteckidd]

Evo would cost well into the $10000 mark to run 9s or 10s.

Cannot be done for cheap

[.blank cd]

FACT is you lied.. YOU FAIL!!

Edit:

If it was only 5k to run 9's in a cobra then everyone would be doing it, your post is misleading, and inaccurate...

Par for the course it seems.

[Bacon]

People just choose not to recognise the fact that cobras respond very well to simple boltons.

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[1civic]

People just choose not to recognise the fact that cobras respond very well to simple boltons.

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2v roots style blower, 3v/4v turbo's... They wanna eat!!

And E36 was talking about self sourced and installed. Keep up.

He gives me a headache!!

[David88vert]

I worked at Modular Power, and labor rate was 125hr... I've done every mod on a mustang that can be done, but every blower setup I've installed was over 5K!!

Could someone source parts cheaper, and do install them-self.. SURE!!

And E36 was talking about self sourced and installed. Keep up.

[David88vert]

Par for the course it seems.

You didn't answer in the other thread. You knew that you were busted. You are the half truth king.

[David88vert]

2v roots style blower, 3v/4v turbo's... They wanna eat!!

He gives me a headache!!

I fully agree.
Performance costs money.

My only point is to him that it is still cheaper to build a Cobra than an Evo8 to get to the same point in performance.

If you had $5k in cash for mods, and could have either car stock as a starting platform, which could you get more performance out of? (And no, you can't say Honda)

[1civic]

I fully agree.
Performance costs money.

My only point is to him that it is still cheaper to build a Cobra than an Evo8 to get to the same point in performance.

If you had $5k in cash for mods, and could have either car stock as a starting platform, which could you get more performance out of? (And no, you can't say Honda)

Naw, you're right! I just caught thread, and seen prices, I was like umm no..lol but I understand the point, an Evo would need little more $$ in it to run 9-10's even..

[.blank cd]

You didn't answer in the other thread. You knew that you were busted. You are the half truth king.

I stopped dignifying stupid questions with responses.

[David88vert]

I stopped dignifying stupid questions with responses.

You had no answer when presented with facts. That's what you do. Its who you are

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You had no answer when presented with facts. That's what you do. Its who you are

Zero facts, just your opinions. Kinda like this thread. It was your opinion that you could make a mustang run 9s for $5k, you got called out on your "facts", and you backpedaled, as usual. Eventually the smarter ones will stop arguing with you and let you wallow in your own ignorance.

[David88vert]

Zero facts, just your opinions. Kinda like this thread. It was your opinion that you could make a mustang run 9s for $5k, you got called out on your "facts", and you backpedaled, as usual. Eventually the smarter ones will stop arguing with you and let you wallow in your own ignorance.

Links to prices aren't facts?
Seems like you need to go back to elementary school and learn some basic terminology. You obviously have been wasting your tuition money, as you haven't learned even the basics.

I never backpedalled - if you were able to read, comprehend, and remember anything from the other thread, you would know that E36Slide stated that he does his own work, and that he could get parts from junkyards. I trust that he has enough memory to recall that in this thread THAT WAS TITLED FOR HIM.

[Manny Naber]

What is going on here? It's ancient news that a v8 can truck down a 1/4 mile for cheaper than any 4cylinder. Whoopteefuckindoo

[RandomGuy]

curious how a 1st gen AWD dsm stacks up price wise.

Gutted chassis, slicks, afm clutch, stock block + headwork, big turbo, wet kit, dsm link and fuel mods can be done in ~$5k
Probably cutting corners though so you probably can't beat on it as hard or often as the N/A v8

[Sinfix_15]

curious how a 1st gen AWD dsm stacks up price wise.

Gutted chassis, slicks, afm clutch, stock block + headwork, big turbo, wet kit, dsm link and fuel mods can be done in ~$5k
Probably cutting corners though so you probably can't beat on it as hard or often as the N/A v8

well, for starters.... give us the MSRP of a 1st gen dsm new.

At a glance.... my thoughts would be that a budget eclipse with the power to run 9s is going to break at the 60ft and roll to a stop mid track.

[RandomGuy]

well, for starters.... give us the MSRP of a 1st gen dsm new.

At a glance.... my thoughts would be that a budget eclipse with the power to run 9s is going to break at the 60ft and roll to a stop mid track.

stock block / head / full weight / cheap street tires etc 10.8

But I do agree, it'd probably be a little risky launching hard and especially on slicks.

[Sinfix_15]

stock block / head / full weight / cheap street tires etc 10.8

But I do agree, it'd probably be a little risky launching hard and especially on slicks.

Also, we're judging mustangs based on consistent repeatable times that we see regularly. With eclipses.... it's like break, break, break, good pass, break, break, break, break, good pass, break, break, break.....

Redo this challenge and say to the mustang owner.... "your car only needs to make one pass".... and see if that doesnt change the time.

[.blank cd]

Links to prices aren't facts?
Seems like you need to go back to elementary school and learn some basic terminology. You obviously have been wasting your tuition money, as you haven't learned even the basics.

I never backpedalled - if you were able to read, comprehend, and remember anything from the other thread, you would know that E36Slide stated that he does his own work, and that he could get parts from junkyards. I trust that he has enough memory to recall that in this thread THAT WAS TITLED FOR HIM.

You said you could build a Stang to run 9s for less than $5000. You then posted a link to a supercharger that was already $4500, it's supporting mods total OVER $5000. For the average person who doesn't install everything themselves, that's WELL OVER $5000.

What's the issue here? Can you not count?

[SHHHH]

You said you could build a Stang to run 9s for less than $5000. You then posted a link to a supercharger that was already $4500, it's supporting mods total OVER $5000. For the average person who doesn't install everything themselves, that's WELL OVER $5000.

What's the issue here? Can you not count?

I can understand the issues you guys are having here with needing to add in the supporting mod cost but I believe my video in post 10 clears it up pretty nicely.
Under $5,000 in mods and 9's in the quarter. Not bad for a Mustang.

[David88vert]

You said you could build a Stang to run 9s for less than $5000. You then posted a link to a supercharger that was already $4500, it's supporting mods total OVER $5000. For the average person who doesn't install everything themselves, that's WELL OVER $5000.

What's the issue here? Can you not count?

The issue seems to be your brain. E36Slide doesn't take his car to a shop, nor does he source new parts as he clearly discussed that he could get parts even from a junkyard. I'm guessing that you've never installed a supercharger before, but I have installed quite a few, and they really aren't very hard. There are many people that can install them without needing a shop. I posted a link to a 3.4 that sold for $3100, and another that was asking $3500. I also posted a link to a fuel system that someone was asking $900. Obviously, the math tells you that you can get the supercharger and fuel system for around $4k. I didn't think that I needed to explain that to you, but it appears I was wrong, and that you actually do need hand-holding.

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I can understand the issues you guys are having here with needing to add in the supporting mod cost but I believe my video in post 10 clears it up pretty nicely.
Under $5,000 in mods and 9's in the quarter. Not bad for a Mustang.

You're starting with a $60k car

[SHHHH]

You're starting with a $60k car

Fifty four and some change but close enough ya.
I thought we were just talking about Mustangs. Didnt know you guys were talking about a specific year range or MSRP.


Even so, with less than $5,000 in mods you can go from mid 11's into the 9 second bracket. All within the confines of a blue oval pony car.

[Sinfix_15]

Fifty four and some change but close enough ya.
I thought we were just talking about Mustangs. Didnt know you guys were talking about a specific year range or MSRP.


Even so, with less than $5,000 in mods you can go from mid 11's into the 9 second bracket. All within the confines of a blue oval pony car.

The debate is bang for the buck. Fastest car per dollar spent. Rules being if you select a used car, you must use it's MSRP new... so you cant say "i got this 89 civic for $500 and spent $39500 on it"

[David88vert]

The debate is bang for the buck. Fastest car per dollar spent. Rules being if you select a used car, you must use it's MSRP new... so you cant say "i got this 89 civic for $500 and spent $39500 on it"

No, this was specifically related to E36Slide, and not all cars. Just Mustangs and Evo 8s.

If you wanted speed for bang for the buck, just buy a bike.

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Fifty four and some change but close enough ya.
I thought we were just talking about Mustangs. Didnt know you guys were talking about a specific year range or MSRP.


Even so, with less than $5,000 in mods you can go from mid 11's into the 9 second bracket.

OP posted an earlier model cobra and said it only needed 5k in mods to run 9s, when obviously the car had way more than 5k in mods, without the special transmission.

And I just built a 2013 GT500 with the options I would get for 68k. I could have went to 70.