Callout THACKERASS

[AnthonyF]

^now that just wouldnt be fair. lolz

-Ant

[darkstar6069]

someone better ****ing call me for this race

[Vteckidd]

maybe I was harsh but I just don't buy that this whole big psi on pump is better craze. Is it possible, sure but its not the right way . I pressed bushur a out this on another forum an never got a straight answer. If you knew anything about cylinder pressure ignition timing quench flame front etc you would question it as well. But most people don't ask questions they just say ok and jump on board(fanboys). It hndsight its not worth arguing about anymore you can search my posts on evom and see what its about. Congrats phil

[hydro]

Please enlighten us with your knowledge; I am eager to learn.

[Fred Sanford]

Lulzy @ you talking smack.

Hay guyz, I can build better jetz than Boeing. I debated them on a forum and they couldn't answer mah queshun about aerodynamic lift and its relation to the thermodynamic ratio of Gavil's 45th law of molecular degeneration.
If they knew anything about the physical structure of aluminum, they'd know the carbon bonds aren't as strong at STP. Aww snapple mo fapple.

[Vteckidd]

Lulzy @ you talking smack.

Hay guyz, I can build better jetz than Boeing. I debated them on a forum and they couldn't answer mah queshun about aerodynamic lift and its relation to the thermodynamic ratio of Gavil's 45th law of molecular degeneration.
If they knew anything about the physical structure of aluminum, they'd know the carbon bonds aren't as strong at STP. Aww snapple mo fapple.

Well when you cant answer a simple question such as WHY, and you answer with "i dunno im not an engineer i just know it works, im not atechnical guy" but in the same paragraph you are talking about how superior your ported heads are, etc etc etc.

YOu cant have one without the other.

I engaged in a very big debate with him on EVOM despite the flaming. I just dont feel like typing it all again. If it bothers you so much go look it up search MR. Kidd on EVOLUTIONm.net

Furthermore i am EFI University Certified, ive been around tuners for the last 7 years, worked (or bounced i guess) at 2 different shops that were heavily involved in high performance cars.

I produce and engineer my own parts overseas, i run my own (successfull at the moment) business for the last 8 months, and i plan on having some sort of shop in the near future. If you would like a copy of my resume ill be happy to send it to you.

Lastly, if you really want to LEARN then dont take my word for it, stop being lazy and go look the **** up yourself. PROVE ME WRONG.

I disagree with Buschurs pump gas claims. I think its the wrong way to do things. You cant have 1 an not the other.

If anyone would like to explain

1) How do you run 30+ Psi on 93 OCTANE WITH NO FUEL ADDITVES, when no one else can?

2) What is his IGNITION TIMING values at WOT

3) Based on the answer to #2(cause i know the answer already), how can you run such low timing and not have high EGTs?

4) How can this motor last any amount of time based upon the given ignition timing, low octane fuel, high cylinder pressure and boost and heat. How do you cool the cylinder?

5) Its almost impossible for an engine to run at such low VE an make the numbers he is claiming.

6) How come ONLY BUSCHUR seems to be able to do this MAGIC of high boost pump gas machines? How come everyone ive talked to with MORE experience than me says its NOT POSSIBLE including EFI UNIVERSITY INSTRUCTORS and SHOPS THAT PEOPLE IN THIS THREAD SWEAR BY. I wont name names as to not get them in trouble.

Now i knows bushurs response an its "my superior camshafts and head design". THen i asked him even more in depth questions and his response was "im not an engineer ive never been good with technical stuff".

WHJAT? How can you say the cams you ENGINEER and the head you PORT is the reason, yet you dont know WHY?

Maybe im just looking for real world answers not the typical "i dunno".

But then again i know real engine builders and they can answer these questions.

[2.3 Evo 8]

WTF, LOL.

[Vteckidd]

Also most of the graphs from his cars have been

1) VERY LAGGY compared to other cars

2) DOwn on power for the turbo size (hes usually 50-100whp away from what other guys make on the same turbos) Case in point Phil only made what 580whp? JP made 640whp with the same turbo. Same motor, same mods, etc etc.

3) Call AMS and talk to them. It was funny when Bad BISH was dynoed and they were blatantly attacking AMS. It was a marketing gimick, its was a good one, but i find it hard how AMS who builds EQUALLY AS FAST AN EVO completely disagrees with Buschurs claims like i do, and no one thinks anything about that.

Good luck, 99si is right this is way off topic, if you would like to know anymore give me a PM

[Vteckidd]

Oh and here was the original thread where i went at it with Bushur

My username on their is TRACY because i coudlnt make a name

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthr...ighlight=tracy

[GGPIS3]

no offense mike.. but if i spent countless hours and money developing cars, why would i disclose all of my secrets? so others can understand? or maybe so others can copy? it just doesn't make any sense to give out his intellecutal properties.

now you may have a point and at the same time, every tuner has their own opinion. i've seen many things done by great tuners and then another tuner takes a look and says this is wrong, that is wrong.. everything is wrong... but in the end it still works.

i don't know how long nick's motor will last, but i do know he runs high boost, meaning over 30 psi on pump gas and it runs like a champ. he has yet to have a significant problem with the car and i hope it stays that way. in the end, everyone is entitled to their opinion and in this world of tuning, there will always be discrepancies.

[Vteckidd]

no offense mike.. but if i spent countless hours and money developing cars, why would i disclose all of my secrets? so others can understand? or maybe so others can copy? it just doesn't make any sense to give out his intellecutal properties.

now you may have a point and at the same time, every tuner has their own opinion. i've seen many things done by great tuners and then another tuner takes a look and says this is wrong, that is wrong.. everything is wrong... but in the end it still works.

i don't know how long nick's motor will last, but i do know he runs high boost, meaning over 30 psi on pump gas and it runs like a champ. he has yet to have a significant problem with the car and i hope it stays that way. in the end, everyone is entitled to their opinion and in this world of tuning, there will always be discrepancies.

yeah but this isnt MAGIC, this is simple physics and 4 stoke engine LOL

Its not some magical thing. you telling me that the completely untechincal Bushur has stumbled upon a parts list that defies even F1 teams?

no sir, i dont buy it

[Vteckidd]

Also notice how a 600whp car only has 68 degree IATs an NO METH :scratches head:

[1439/2000]

Also notice how a 600whp car only has 68 degree IATs an NO METH :scratches head:

I have had IAT that low with my water to air with the tank full of ice water. Pump gas no meth. EDIT: 911 not Galant

[Vteckidd]

I have had IAT that low with my water to air with the tank full of ice water. Pump gas no meth. EDIT: 911 not Galant

WATER TO AIR

this is AIR TO AIR

[Evolunchbox]

Mike, do you think some of the reason why he doesn't reveal much about how he does it is because he doesn't want other people doing it? If I had a trade secret/tune/knowledge/whatever you bet I'm going to dance around the questions. I have the highest WHP pump gas car that Buschur has ever built and the car runs great. I log it and look at the maps often and not once have I been concerned with timing, knock, etc... It's runs great. Also, I have about 6000 miles of HARD driving (with meth and without) in excess of 550WHP (Buschur low reading dyno) on the same motor ...no problems. I had the motor out and apart twice since then and everything look great...
Now I'm not sure where you are coming from when you make comments like these and say "it just doesn't work, or it's not true, or it never can work" when in fact my data, these data points and many cars to MANY widely known race teams etc. are in fact tangible result with proven numbers. Not silly dyno number, numbers from the track. Actually 1/4 numbers backed many times over by results/testing/tuning on several different cars.
I'm not an engineer and I don't know how to tune etc... however, I can believe real world TANGIBLE results that I have seen personally for the past 4 years. The proof is in the pudding.
I guess I'm curious as to what you are trying to prove/accomplish/learn. Answer me that and I will help you, I promise, whatever you are looking for.

Also, Chad, if you don't think Phil's car will trap in the 130's, brother your smoking crack. I love you man and your one of the coolest knowledgeable (sp on my cell phone) guys I know, but seriously you are mistaken on this one. He will have his track numbers this weekend. It will be past 130, no problem

[CHADbee]

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Also, Chad, if you don't think Phil's car will trap in the 130's, brother your smoking crack. I love you man and your one of the coolest knowledgeable (sp on my cell phone) guys I know, but seriously you are mistaken on this one. He will have his track numbers this weekend. It will be past 130, no problem

i am a little

but i stand by what i said...if thacker really put up the cash like he said he would and he is on slicks, with a BIG shot and he drives right it will be closer than 99% of IA thinks. he might even win. i think itll be a good race. call me crazy but phil will have a few ponies advantage but thacker will have WTQ advantage and TQ is what wins races!!!!

[Vteckidd]

you know what, its not worth it, all posts deleted, continue bashing on thacker like a bunch oh HS kids.

Sorry i tried to have a technical discussion.

[redrumracer]

If there is proof of them being able to make the power then were is the question? It's proven and done. I dont blame him for not saying how its done.

[GGPIS3]

wtf happened to my post

[Evolunchbox]

wow...just wow...

[Vteckidd]

wow...just wow...

I read your post, congrats, glad you like the power

Im getting out of this thread and keeping my opinions to myself. Its not worth a 45 page arguement and at the end of the day i have my opinion you guys have yours.

If you would like to know more search TRACY on EVOM, i said all i had to say there

[Evolunchbox]

I read your post, congrats, glad you like the power

Im getting out of this thread and keeping my opinions to myself. Its not worth a 45 page arguement and at the end of the day i have my opinion you guys have yours.

If you would like to know more search TRACY on EVOM, i said all i had to say there

Mike, chill bro, take a nice bubble bath, rub one out, and just relax. I was just trying to understand where you were coming from... I'm not pulling out my WHP penis, I never do... Again, just trying to understand. Remember, there is ALWAYS more than one way at skinning a cat... Especially when it comes to tuning. Keep learning so one day, when you have 16+ years of experience, we are arguing about you making sick power.. Think about it bro...

[GIXXERDK]

lolol

[hydro]

I could've saw that coming

[Vteckidd]

i thought you died?

[hydro]

i thought you died?

Is this an insult?

[TIGERJC]

wtf mike, why did you delete your own ownage

[redrumracer]

wtf mike, why did you delete your own ownage

cause hes a sm and can do that?

[Vteckidd]

wtf mike, why did you delete your own ownage

LOL i didnt get owned, this is just the wrong crowd to talk about technical engine data. I realized it was all off topic, and sh!t i answered 8 months ago on another forum.

I just choose not to continue the drama when there is no point.

But if it makes you feel better, i got SO PWNED shame on me

[TIGERJC]

LOL i didnt get owned, this is just the wrong crowd to talk about technical engine data. I realized it was all off topic, and sh!t i answered 8 months ago on another forum.

I just choose not to continue the drama when there is no point.

But if it makes you feel better, i got SO PWNED shame on me

Can't take the heat

[GGPIS3]

LOL i didnt get owned, this is just the wrong crowd to talk about technical engine data. I realized it was all off topic, and sh!t i answered 8 months ago on another forum.

I just choose not to continue the drama when there is no point.

But if it makes you feel better, i got SO PWNED shame on me

i don't think you got owned... this wasn't about someone getting owned. this is opinion vs. real world results. i can understand where Mike is coming from.. Buschur was able to defy physics if you so call it and all Mike is trying to do is understand how. just because Buschur danced around a question and didn't answer it the way you wanted him to, you automatically call bs. Now Mike, you know i got mad love for you, but sometimes you gotta take a step back and possibly reword what you're trying to get across. I can see what you're trying to accomplish but the way you're going about it is just going to stir up some more bs as you can see.

btw, you didn't call me today

[2.3 Evo 8]

Mike, if you're going to get into a technical discussion with people about engine setups, internals, and tuning capabilities you should probably do a little more research.

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but why do you insist it is not possible or the correct way when the man has been tuning them like that for a while now. The proof is in the pudding. Plus, track times don't lie.

Start a discussion in off topic.

Secondly, why erase what people have posted? There is no reason for it.

[hydro]

Secondly, why erase what people have posted? There is no reason for it.

I think we both know.

[Vteckidd]

I think we both know.

i can undelete it if you want, i just thought i was taking this thread in the wrong direction and it wasnt accomplishing anything.

Fact is i know alot more than the poeple posting in this thread, whether you believe it or not, and if you want to call me names and act like im some nobody, i dont have the time to waste with you guys.

sorry, sounds arrogant , but thats how i feel

[Vteckidd]

Mike, if you're going to get into a technical discussion with people about engine setups, internals, and tuning capabilities you should probably do a little more research.

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but why do you insist it is not possible or the correct way when the man has been tuning them like that for a while now. The proof is in the pudding. Plus, track times don't lie.

Start a discussion in off topic.

Secondly, why erase what people have posted? There is no reason for it.

i dont claim to know everything.

I never called BS on the NUMBERS, i call BS on the poeple that think this is some great thing.

Have you ever talked to anyone else that does the same thing?

I invite you to talk to other prominent tuners, and take the EFI classes, and form your own opinion rather than take bushur at his word.

Something isnt right about his statistics, and i havent found out what is so magical about his setups.

TIger dont you have an MR2 to go fix?

But back on topic

[hydro]

Mike, not trying to bash- I've been looking for classes, etc to brush up my knowledge. Do you a have a link to that EFI school?

[Vteckidd]

Mike, not trying to bash- I've been looking for classes, etc to brush up my knowledge. Do you a have a link to that EFI school?

Sure PM me and ill let you borrow my course books

[Vteckidd]

so no one thinks im calling BS



As soon as i finish logging 20 hours of tuning on a dyno ill receive my EFI ADVANCED Cert. I havent had time to tune on a dyno since im in the middle of moving, but once i get the time ill stop street tuning and start dyno tuning.

Im confident in saying that even completing the EFI 101 course 90% of you will no more than most "industry gurus".

[hydro]

Mike,
I haven't called you any names, that's a bit crass on my part. I think it would prove a bigger point if you left the posts there, undeleted.

[Vteckidd]

Jeff pick up Ben Straders book EFI Tuning Basics, lots of good info, or PM me an you can borrow it too i own it.

Im also trying to get AEM Certified when i go out to cali in a few months. Ive already signed up for the MOTEC EFI course too

EDIT: posts that were relevant undeleted