DieselNuts
So what's the deal with Grayson Tire and Auto? Just curious since I live fairly close to there (assuming it is near Loganville) and use several different tire companies. Never been there but curious about your sig.
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So what's the deal with Grayson Tire and Auto? Just curious since I live fairly close to there (assuming it is near Loganville) and use several different tire companies. Never been there but curious about your sig.
PM me if need be.
Well, I see now that you have no clue....Originally Posted by Hunter02SS
... So you went from a Auto to a 6sp and only gained 15hp....
... Dude most cars when Convertered to a Auto from a 5 or 6spd will Lose 15%... So Depending on what Auto Tranny you had Going to a 6spd, I would guess around 10-15% Gain !!.... Do the Math !!...
This is my thing, Your car Makes 700+ But you Hooked in 1st on the Street !.. You wrote that you Spun before down the Track and what did you change ?
It takes a Little more than a Touqe arm to make a car Hook, Hell even with 700+Hp on the street its not going to hook down low.....
Now, I could give a shit about what you drive or who you are... When you post a Story online, Don't get all mad if someone calls BS... You posted it Not me........
Bugman, a lot of us questioned the traction with nittos and i think i have the answer. I think he was blowing thru up top with the auto converter he had before but it prolly made for killer spool down low. I am thinking now with the manual, it is not making nearly as much boost down low as it was with the auto. If it is like my turbo, first gear is pretty controllable as the boost comes on slow and linearly. I did some tuning yesterday on my car and even 5psi was a spinfest in 2nd gear...on regular hard tires which makes me think his boost delivery is a lot smoother now. believe me, i asked him and his fabricator face to face last night about it....dont think he is lying ...just stating that for whatever reason it is hooking. The track will be the big tell tale. lots of ls1 guys have probs building boost with a manual so it would make sense that he could hook down low now
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Ok.... Do you think they Pulled Boost out ?... And Do you really think if he posted this BS on another Forum He wouldn't be called out on it... You just said yourself you did not beleave him... Thats why you asked his Fabricator face to face...
i dont think they pulled boost out...i think no stall and a 6 speed with pretty big turbos are spooling much slower now....making a lot less power down low and allowing him to hook. I did not beleive he has the exact same power curve and is hooking that down low on Nittos. I believe he has the same peak numbers but not nearly as much down low and that could be hooked on nittos from a roll. They didnt do a retune for the 6 speed and i guarantee you the a/f is way fat down low now and killing some power and spool down low. Really think about what i just said.....it makes sense. Chris doesnt do his own tuning and he has no reason to lie...I believe him....just took a few moments to rationalize how its possible
oh its a camaro ss...not a vette and yes he would be called out on it on other boards if he posted it.
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I understand your point completely....... With the car not being tune makes this story even better... So He had the 6spd installed, the car is Pig Rich down low, Not building any Boost !!... Did they even Check the A/F ? That car could be 9:1 and them not even know !!... Yes I know the A/F will pick up once the car Builds Boost...
You are correct Jerry. The car has not been retuned and is pig fat.( 1 CIVIC)You can ask ZU later and 198 plus. Last night I ran both of them and the car did not spin.After it is retuned it might possibly ,but as of now it dosn't! i realize that my car will pick up about 15% going to a 6 speed,but if I posted i would gain another 100rwhp you would of called bs on that also,so i was being conservative. If you would like to come out and run me ,You can see for your self!!!!No boost has been pulled out.When I was at the track I had the automatic with a stall converter. There is such a thing called (TORQUE MULTIPLICATION) in a stall.There is none in a 6 speed.That is how I was able to spin in second with the auto and Jerry probably explained it the best in his previous post.Believe me if I can find the guy this weekend I will see if he want's to run again and I will get it on video for Ya!! I have nothing to prove to you (1 Civic) as I was racing when you were in diaper's!!
i dont discount the story. im sure it happened as these guys have no reason to lie.
they arent ricers trying to prove something.
but i know my roomates 500whp 2J 240 roasts ET streets through second, so............
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IMHO your prob at 780-790whp just by switching the trans.
i know the supra guys are at least 15% between the 6 speed an the TH400s
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Chris, watch that a/f up top...dunno how much more power its making now but just in case, watch it for leaness as I am sure you are. I might get some nittos next time. my regular tires dont last long anyway so not really any difference from mileage standpoint. I wish I could buy your rear prostars/tires but I told you about the wifes new job
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You are correct Jerry. The car has not been retuned and is pig fat.( 1 CIVIC)You can ask ZU later and 198 plus. Last night I ran both of them and the car did not spin.After it is retuned it might possibly ,but as of now it dosn't! i realize that my car will pick up about 15% going to a 6 speed,but if I posted i would gain another 100rwhp you would of called bs on that also,so i was being conservative. If you would like to come out and run me ,You can see for your self!!!!No boost has been pulled out.When I was at the track I had the automatic with a stall converter. There is such a thing called (TORQUE MULTIPLICATION) in a stall.There is none in a 6 speed.That is how I was able to spin in second with the auto and Jerry probably explained it the best in his previous post.Believe me if I can find the guy this weekend I will see if he want's to run again and I will get it on video for Ya!! I have nothing to prove to you (1 Civic) as I was racing when you were in diaper's!!
I Got you... How old do you think I am ?...
i am gonna guess 27....haha...i just looked at your profile AFTER i typed 27.....I guessed by the fact that you comprehended the fat a/f...slow boost/no power and that you knew 9:1 a/f was way fat....but you had a screen name with civic in it so I was close if your profile is correct.
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Yep...27, But don't let the Screen name Fool you... I've been working on Mustangs for the Past few Years....
Bobby,shut the fuck up!!!!!Go back to working on your rustang's!!!
Bobby,shut the fuck up!!!!!Go back to working on your rustang's!!!
And who might you be ? ...
and if you say higgins i'm going to LMAO what a joke of a place!!!!!!!!!!!
Nope..... I don't work anywhere close to home....
hell my heads cam 150 shot ss dead hooks in first gear on 275/40/17 nittosNope...
hell my heads cam 150 shot ss dead hooks in first gear on 275/40/17 nittos
I got something for you when I see you again....
Hopefully I will see him out tonight,do's this mean you will be there also???
its not a vette bobby. chris has no reason to lie.Ok.... Do you think they Pulled Boost out ?... And Do you really think if he posted this BS on another Forum He wouldn't be called out on it... You just said yourself you did not beleave him... Thats why you asked his Fabricator face to face...
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Yeah, I understand now..
Actually, while the 15-20% that everyone throws around as a loss/gain is rule of thumb, the rule is inaccurate at best.... Dude most cars when Convertered to a Auto from a 5 or 6spd will Lose 15%... So Depending on what Auto Tranny you had Going to a 6spd, I would guess around 10-15% Gain !!.... Do the Math !!...
Example, my last 346" driven M6 went 460rwhp/424rwtq. Let's use 20% as the loss(rwhp x 1.20(20%)= 552 FWHP)through a heavy ass driveline.... steel DS, 12 bolt/4.56's, and 28" slicks.
Swapped in a braked stalled lock up TH400 and went 440/400 which shows a loss of an additional 20 rwhp.
New motor w/the same TH400 went 540/500(648 FWHP, again using 20%)through the same driveline. So.... if I swapped the same M6/clutch & flywheel back in it would go 81+ rwhp more? The math says not.
Driveline loss is drive line loss, and is what it is. It doesn't increase exponentially with power increase. That would be like saying it would take 300 FWHP in a 2000 FWHP motor to turn the same driveline I'm turning with 108 total FWHP in a 648 FWHP motor
I could understand and agree that when going to an unefficiantly built trans/converter combo, or even add in gearing/tire combo's the loss would increase(or decrease), but I don't buy the 15-20% across the board blanket statement for every application.
I HAVE done the math.
Back to Chris being full of shit......
He is not.
Have a nice day
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on bike's it's all about the rider, from digs, in turns, down low, up top is only when playing field levels out of man vs machine.
hunter's car had no probs getting traction. one must also take into account suspension set ups. car A might have 300rwhp and spin on wider nitto's than car B, who's making twice as much power but has better suspension for drag. i know chris's car is much faster than mine, i saw the tail lights last night LOL, i love messing with bikes and do it when the opportunity's there, my conclusion first hand is it's all about the rider.
good job Chris =]
^^^ DingDingDing!!!! We have a winner! ^^^
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Actually, while the 15-20% that everyone throws around as a loss/gain is rule of thumb, the rule is inaccurate at best.
Example, my last 346" driven M6 went 460rwhp/424rwtq. Let's use 20% as the loss(rwhp x 1.20(20%)= 552 FWHP)through a heavy ass driveline.... steel DS, 12 bolt/4.56's, and 28" slicks.
Swapped in a braked stalled lock up TH400 and went 440/400 which shows a loss of an additional 20 rwhp.
New motor w/the same TH400 went 540/500(648 FWHP, again using 20%)through the same driveline. So.... if I swapped the same M6/clutch & flywheel back in it would go 81+ rwhp more? The math says not.
Driveline loss is drive line loss, and is what it is. It doesn't increase exponentially with power increase. That would be like saying it would take 300 FWHP in a 2000 FWHP motor to turn the same driveline I'm turning with 108 total FWHP in a 648 FWHP motor
I could understand and agree that when going to an unefficiantly built trans/converter combo, or even add in gearing/tire combo's the loss would increase(or decrease), but I don't buy the 15-20% across the board blanket statement for every application.
I HAVE done the math.
Back to Chris being full of shit......
He is not.
Have a nice day
Ok you Quoted what I had to say....
My Example: We put a th400 in a 2v KB car that made 800/800 threw a 5spd... It now makes 642/654...... Thats almost a 20% loss ...
I could go on and on about this But I'm done...Its Pointless !!
LOL! I'll quote you again so that perhaps this time you can see that what I'm saying is NOT what you're saying
The LOSS between a manual vs. auto is NOT an additional 15%!!!!!
It's the TOTAL driveline loss..... or so the rule of thumb would dictate.
LOL! The day I feel the need to "claim my fame" on IA is the day I'll put a bullet in my head
LMHWMFAO
And it didn't take long for you to show me you're clued in eitherI already see this Mr Hunter don't have a Clue, He lets his Buddys do all the Tech talk for him...
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LOL! I'll quote you again so that perhaps this time you can see that what I'm saying is NOT what you're saying
The LOSS between a manual vs. auto is NOT an additional 15%!!!!!
It's the TOTAL driveline loss..... or so the rule of thumb would dictate.
LOL! The day I feel the need to "claim my fame" on IA is the day I'll put a bullet in my head
LMHWMFAO
And it didn't take long for you to show me you're clued in either
You feel better.....
So you got a F-body and you know it all....
Edit: Mr Hunter, Be sure to post your Kill on LS1 Tech or StreetCarForums, I would love to see what some of these other guys have to say...
Actually....You feel better.....
So you got a F-body and you know it all....
Edit: Mr Hunter, Be sure to post your Kill on LS1 Tech or StreetCarForums, I would love to see what some of these other guys have to say...
didn't feel bad to begin with. Thanx for askin'
Got an F-body. Don't know it all. Know quite a bit, but not all of it-
No problem posting the link. Is what it is.
Don't much give a fuck who you do or don't respect.
Have a nice day!
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Actually....
didn't feel bad to begin with. Thanx for askin'
Got an F-body. Don't know it all. Know quite a bit, but not all of it-
No problem posting the link. Is what it is.
Don't much give a fuck who you do or don't respect.
Have a nice day!
Thats Really nice to know... Glad you don't feel bad !....
How does you car hook on the street ?
You got Nitto's ?
Your car runs mid 10's Right ?
Do you think you can out run a GSX-R 1000 from a Dig on the Street ?
Hooks good.Thats Really nice to know... Glad you don't feel bad !....
How does you car hook on the street ?
You got Nitto's ?
Your car runs mid 10's Right ?
Do you think you can out run a GSX-R 1000 from a Dig on the Street ?
12 ways/coilovers/Adj. rod ended everything on slicks full time
No Nittos.... thanx anyway
Yes. On motor
Yes
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This is great fun-
Thought you were done?
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Can I not ask you Questions....
You can ask anything you want.... no need for a new thread just for me, but I appreciate the thoughtCan I not ask you Questions....
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EDIT:
This thread has been officially hijacked
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EDIT:
This thread has been officially hijacked
Looks like it... To bad its going to rain, I would like to see your Buddy Outrun a GSX-R 1000 From a Dig or Slow 15mph Roll on his Nitto's....
Links Posted On SCF... Going to LS1 Tech next, Just want to get a Little feed back on His Magic Nitto's....
OkeeDokee
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[QUOTE=1civic]Ok you Quoted what I had to say....
My Example: We put a th400 in a 2v KB car that made 800/800 threw a 5spd... It now makes 642/654...... Thats almost a 20% loss ...
You need to start getting good converters and not one like the shitpile you apparently installed in that 2v KB car.
Have you been to the track to see how many bikes dont even run 10s? Great riders from a dig arent the norm.
Why would Chris lie about it? Did anyone seem overly impressed? At his power level, anything can happen on the streets.
Chris, next time use a turbod viper in your story,,,now THAT would impress me
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Jerry..... you must remember, this is IA where every 1civic owns you.
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