A question for the church people...?

[4dmin]

So i got to lunch w/ my mom who isn't feeling well and our waiter, who seems alittle wack to begin with, notices her not feeling well says, "i pray and go to church every week".... i'm like

ummm ok. this has always baffeled me... :confused: is saying this to complete strangers supposed to make them feel comfortable? really i don't get it. i don't walk up to people and say "i worship the devil on a daily basis... would you like fries w/ that?" i find it funny that people go ahead and assume you are christian or that you yourself pray or that you really even care....

some may be reading this thinking I JUST HATE CHRISTIANS... well guess what i don't. i just hate people who feel a need to publish to the world in every instance possible that they are a good person b/c they go to church/pray. actions speak louder than words, STFU and just take my order.

[BTEC]

So i got to lunch w/ my mom who isn't feeling well and our waiter, who seems alittle wack to begin with, notices her not feeling well says, "i pray and go to church every week".... i'm like

ummm ok. this has always baffeled me... :confused: is saying this to complete strangers supposed to make them feel comfortable? really i don't get it. i don't walk up to people and say "i worship the devil on a daily basis... would you like fries w/ that?" i find it funny that people go ahead and assume you are christian or that you yourself pray or that you really even care....

some may be reading this thinking I JUST HATE CHRISTIANS... well guess what i don't. i just hate people who feel a need to publish to the world in every instance possible that they are a good person b/c they go to church/pray. actions speak louder than words, STFU and just take my order.

this is probably a record. i actually agree with u in the religion section.
My question is y does church subjects or talk about the bible always piss off ppl who dnt believe? Why is it never treated like ne other random conversation? even if they are not try ing to "convert" u over just talk about something they found interesting the past sunday.

[BluesClues]

this is probably a record. i actually agree with u in the religion section.
My question is y does church subjects or talk about the bible always piss off ppl who dnt believe? Why is it never treated like ne other random conversation? even if they are not try ing to "convert" u over just talk about something they found interesting the past sunday.

I agree. Why can't people who "dont believe" just leave it at that? Why do they feel the need to convince others why they shouldn't believe either?

[Hulud]

I agree. Why can't people who "dont believe" just leave it at that? Why do they feel the need to convince others why they shouldn't believe either?

wtf?
i dont see anyone on here trying to make you not believe

[metalman]

My question is y does church subjects or talk about the bible always piss off ppl who dnt believe? Why is it never treated like ne other random conversation? even if they are not try ing to "convert" u over just talk about something they found interesting the past sunday.

One reason is concience....although thats not always the only one.

Some have been seriously abused by supposed 'christians' and churches.

[BTEC]

One reason is concience....although thats not always the only one.

Some have been seriously abused by supposed 'christians' and churches.

i agree with that comment 110%.

[4dmin]

this is probably a record. i actually agree with u in the religion section.
My question is y does church subjects or talk about the bible always piss off ppl who dnt believe? Why is it never treated like ne other random conversation? even if they are not try ing to "convert" u over just talk about something they found interesting the past sunday.

i don't think it has anything to do w/ pissing people off more than its TMI. do you tell a complete stranger how you penis is small and you like to jerk off to gay porn??? probably not, religion is a very personal thing w/ most people and is very known for being a touchy subject. sometimes things are better off not said.

now if someone like myself who isn't christian just took it as random converstation and said back to him, "thats great, pray for a good tip"... well i think he would of gotten offended, so i just keep my mouth shut b/c discussing religion w/ my waiter in most cases isn't ideal.

[BTEC]

i don't think it has anything to do w/ pissing people off more than its TMI. do you tell a complete stranger how you penis is small and you like to jerk off to gay porn??? probably not, religion is a very personal thing w/ most people and is very known for being a touchy subject. sometimes things are better off not said.

now if someone like myself who isn't christian just took it as random converstation and said back to him, "thats great, pray for a good tip"... well i think he would of gotten offended, so i just keep my mouth shut b/c discussing religion w/ my waiter in most cases isn't ideal.

Thats my question. y is religion a touchy subject? Its like how do u know whatever u talk about wont be considered touchy to whoever u mention it to? its just a chance u take. But with religion its always better not said, why?
I dnt think me penis is small and if it was and i did spank it to gay porn that is not done out in the open ne where so that is expected to be TMI.

Telling him to pray for a good tip would just be a smartass/rude comment and very unecc IMO. It would be purposely trying to offend him for noreason, y?

[4dmin]

Telling him to pray for a good tip would just be a smartass/rude comment and very unecc IMO. It would be purposely trying to offend him for noreason, y?

but see thats my point... what may be offensive to me isn't what offensive to you... as w/ religion, it is better unsaid... you took it as me attacking him yet i don't pray so i don't understand nor are you me so you don't understand my point of view... so on the side of caution in most cases you don't talk religion w/ complete strangers that you don't even know their names yet have even taken their drink order

you know we live in a "christian" society i've learned along time ago that opening my mouth in such situations is a open invitation for issues b/c most christians can't handle the fact non christians exsist. i get a kick out of it... best words i've heard on this situation, "NEVER LET THEM KNOW WHAT YOU ARE THINKING" - GODFATHER

[BTEC]

but see thats my point... what may be offensive to me isn't what offensive to you... as w/ religion, it is better unsaid... you took it as me attacking him yet i don't pray so i don't understand nor are you me so you don't understand my point of view... so on the side of caution in most cases you don't talk religion w/ complete strangers that you don't even know their names yet have even taken their drink order

Thats true and i think i understand ur point. I dnt think u really understand what im saying. Religion is not meant to be offensive to ne body but its always taken that way and i dnt understand y. Well at least christianity ne way, i cant speak for religions i know very little about.

[BTEC]

but see thats my point... what may be offensive to me isn't what offensive to you... as w/ religion, it is better unsaid... you took it as me attacking him yet i don't pray so i don't understand nor are you me so you don't understand my point of view... so on the side of caution in most cases you don't talk religion w/ complete strangers that you don't even know their names yet have even taken their drink order

you know we live in a "christian" society i've learned along time ago that opening my mouth in such situations is a open invitation for issues b/c most christians can't handle the fact non christians exsist. i get a kick out of it... best words i've heard on this situation, "NEVER LET THEM KNOW WHAT YOU ARE THINKING" - GODFATHER

i can tell you get a kick out of it. the ppl that are all freaked out trying to beat in in ur head that u have to do this or that are stoopid. I wouldnt waste my time and they deserve to be punched in the throat. Just like they chose to belive "so they say" u have a choice not to.

[ISAtlanta300]

but see thats my point... what may be offensive to me isn't what offensive to you... as w/ religion, it is better unsaid... you took it as me attacking him yet i don't pray so i don't understand nor are you me so you don't understand my point of view... so on the side of caution in most cases you don't talk religion w/ complete strangers that you don't even know their names yet have even taken their drink order

you know we live in a "christian" society i've learned along time ago that opening my mouth in such situations is a open invitation for issues b/c most christians can't handle the fact non christians exsist. i get a kick out of it... best words i've heard on this situation, "NEVER LET THEM KNOW WHAT YOU ARE THINKING" - GODFATHER

Why is it so hard to say "i am not religious, sorry" and just leave it at that?

Why is there that "fire" inside of you ready to lash out at religious people who may have just been trying to make conversation?

Did the waiter actually say that "YOU should go to church and pray everyday?"

Do you smoke? If you were a non-smoker, would you also get offended at people when they say "want a cig?" Do you feel the need to say to them "fuck you smoker !! Stick that cig. up your ass !! Do I look like a smoker to you?"

Why is it that because it is a "belief" all of a sudden it is taboo and should not be out in the open? Do you verbally attack all democrats / republicans because of their "thinking" and "belief" too?

That is what I do not get, Paul. What is it with you and religion?

most christians can't handle the fact non christians exsist. i get a kick out of it...

Non-smokers exist. Non-drinkers exist. Non-pot smokers exist etc etc.

Should we just be a community of arrogant assholes that get ticked off at everything that does not concern us?

[metalman]

The "pushy" or "forward" nature is not something that afflicts the "christian" types alone. That might be the one you notice most or bugs you, which I do understand.
It annoys me too.
There are many who immediately begin chatting up their intrests whether or not one is even slightly interested or not. One of my relatives does this with the weather. I am thinking, geeze shut up already, I can see its partly cloudy.

Another aspect of this behaviour among Bible thumpers is I think brought about by the misconceptions concerning being a 'witness'. Like the dude that stands in front the Braves game or rock concert and screams Biblical teachings mixed with nonsense.
Some have the notion that this is what the Bible is refering to when it makes reference to being a witness for Christ/truth etc. Unfortunately theyve missed the boat on that one. The witness is SUPPOSED to be HOW you treat people, NOT preaching at them or dragging them into your religion.

Some are just showing genuine concern although perhaps not in the best way.

Then too some people are just oblivious.

[silver]

That sounds that that might just be a whack woman right there, lol I go to church and pray and ish, but you wont see me randomly talking to people about it.

But maybe she is just one of those people that cant shut up about something they are proud of, lol. To her that is probably the same as if you were to go up to someone and start talking about your car.. you're proud of it. And it just happens to be in her case, her faith and her devotion to praying and going to church. And unfortunately religion and faith are one of those things that if you talk about it infront of certain people they are just not going to give two shits.. but she is proud of her faith, in her religion she shouldnt be ashamed so she will freely talk about it. You just happened to cross her path, lol

[Romeyo07]

everyone takes that chance when they open their mouth and start talking...be it talking religion, politics, etc. Someone just might get offended. The offended should understand that I'm sure it wasn't the intention of the offender to upset the other person.

Most people just need to grow thicker skin.

My pin number is a touchy subject, not my faith.

[4dmin]

[{X}Echo419]

So i got to lunch w/ my mom who isn't feeling well and our waiter, who seems alittle wack to begin with, notices her not feeling well says, "i pray and go to church every week".... i'm like

ummm ok. this has always baffeled me... :confused: is saying this to complete strangers supposed to make them feel comfortable? really i don't get it. i don't walk up to people and say "i worship the devil on a daily basis... would you like fries w/ that?" i find it funny that people go ahead and assume you are christian or that you yourself pray or that you really even care....

some may be reading this thinking I JUST HATE CHRISTIANS... well guess what i don't. i just hate people who feel a need to publish to the world in every instance possible that they are a good person b/c they go to church/pray. actions speak louder than words, STFU and just take my order.

maybe he was just trying to be nice. he could have said, get your sick self out of this restaurant others are losing their appetite. I think you're reading to much into it.

[4dmin]

maybe he was just trying to be nice. he could have said, get your sick self out of this restaurant others are losing their appetite. I think you're reading to much into it.

ok your right :jerkit: i don't give a shit what his intentions are... did you even read my post? its the point it was brought up to complete strangers... when he asked for my drink order i didn't tell him my shoe size.

[Romeyo07]

"I hope you feel better" would have been the correct thing to say.

[4dmin]

"I hope you feel better" would have been the correct thing to say.

again, its all point of view. why would i sugar coat anything? if i'm going to say something i'm going to say what i think, not what is PC. thats why the most polite thing for him to say would of been "hope you feel better" or NOTHING AT ALL.

[{X}Echo419]

again, its all point of view. why would i sugar coat anything? if i'm going to say something i'm going to say what i think, not what is PC. thats why the most polite thing for him to say would of been "hope you feel better" or NOTHING AT ALL.

I wasn't trying to be an ass(well you were. thanks).
you don't have to get all Al Sharpton and get all "offended" over nothing. I'll leave this alone now.

[4dmin]

I wasn't trying to be an ass(well you were. thanks).
you don't have to get all Al Sharpton and get all "offended" over nothing. I'll leave this alone now.

you could of fooled me by your previous comment , i'm not offended at all.

[4dmin]

^ hold on i never attacked anyone, i didn't say anything and kept my tongue to myself. i'm not angry, i said i find it FUNNY. its has nothing to do the intentions of others, but the point of the statement.

did it make us feel more comfortable that he goes to church every sunday and prays? umm no actually it made me feel uncomfortable b/c now my innocent lunch is now spent watching what i say so i don't have to entertain another comment like.

did it help the feeling ill him saying this? again no.

if i stated, "sorry i'm not religious" i would be opening up myself to more of the discussion i'm trying to stay out of. its the point of the comments such as these... see you are christian so you think nothing but wow he is spreading the word of his good lord or being polite... i'm sitting here thinking, OK? can i have my diet coke now. i'm not religious yet he wouldn't know that b/c he doesn't know me he merely assumes i am by dropping such comments like they mean something to me.

and if you said i should smoke i would tell you to fuck off... i've actually never smoked a cigarette in my life if i'm going to kill my self it would be on something more enjoyable then cancer

[ISAtlanta300]

^ hold on i never attacked anyone, i didn't say anything and kept my tongue to myself. i'm not angry, i said i find it FUNNY. its has nothing to do the intentions of others, but the point of the statement.

Let the dissecting begin.... LOL

Just because you did not say it does not mean that you THOUGHT of it. Hate is often not impulsive. It is an action due to one's own formulated thought, opinion and judgement. The simple reason you thought about it and felt the need to even post an entire thread about it, implies that it DID and DOES bother you. However, I did not see ANY other threads of you going off on people offering you drugs, sex (LOL.. I wonder..), drinks etc. But somehow, someone.. a RELIGIOUS person offers you maybe "compassion", then suddenly you feel the need to "shut him down". That is what I do not understand.

^did it make us feel more comfortable that he goes to church every sunday and prays? umm no actually it made me feel uncomfortable b/c now my innocent lunch is now spent watching what i say so i don't have to entertain another comment like.

But your feeling uncomfortable is ON YOU, and not him. Simply saying you are not religious, sorry, is the 'civilized' thing to say. Now if he went on like "oh really? Why not? I want to save you", then by all means you should tell him to fuck off. However, he offered a comment, and left it at that. You making yourself feel uncomfortable has nothing to do with him, as he has no idea that he is even the cause of it.

^ did it help the feeling ill him saying this? again no.

Does it matter? Do you also say "No, thanks !!!" when people say "Bless you!" when you sneeze?

^ if i stated, "sorry i'm not religious" i would be opening up myself to more of the discussion i'm trying to stay out of.

That is unless you YOURSELF want to add fuel to the fire. If he started going off then by all means, I would tell him "I said I am not religious, and do not want to discuss this." End of story. IF you go on by citing Satanic Rites instead then it would be a discussion and flame war that you yourself would partly be the cause of.

^ its the point of the comments such as these... see you are christian so you think nothing but wow he is spreading the word of his good lord or being polite...

Actually I was not even thinking remotely that.. and I am maybe not even close to your "idea" of a Christian. Spread the word? LOL.

What I actually think is that he was being compassionate. Was it a bit suggestive maybe? Absolutely. But it was not meant to offend you.

Example. If I said that my throat is sore, and someone said to me "what I do is take the root of eggplant, blend it with froglegs and drink it", will I get offended because I do not believe in "earthly remedies?". No. I would just have the attitude of "glad it works for you".

^ i'm sitting here thinking, OK? can i have my diet coke now. i'm not religious yet he wouldn't know that b/c he doesn't know me he merely assumes i am by dropping such comments like they mean something to me.

Of course not. He knows shit about you. No one knows shit about you. Yet we assume every day. By your standards, in order NOT to offend you, his order should be like this:

Hi sir, are you a drinker? (how DARE he ask you for a cocktail if you are not !), are you a vegetarian (how DARE he assume I eat meat?), are you a diabetic? (How DARE he offers me coke? Does he assume everyone is healthy?), Are you on atkins? (how DARE he suggest I have fries with that?? Does he assume everyone eats their starches?)

etc etc...

and if you said i should smoke i would tell you to fuck off... i've actually never smoked a cigarette in my life if i'm going to kill my self it would be on something more enjoyable then cancer

Point taken !! But would you tell me to FUCK OFF if I have never met you and OFFERED you a Cigarette? THAT is my point.

For example, There is a difference in saying "I'll pray for you" (Offering prayer), versus telling you "YOU should pray". Totally different, yet you obviously will take offense to both.

[Romeyo07]

I'm not jumping into this, but this only supports my post in the other thread about you seeming angry at Christians.

Only an observation, we've already discussed it. I'm not upset or anything.

[4dmin]

I'm not jumping into this, but this only supports my post in the other thread about you seeming angry at Christians.

Only an observation, we've already discussed it. I'm not upset or anything.

FUEL TO THE FIRE FRIEND TAKE A NUMBER.

[4dmin]

Let the dissecting begin.... LOL

ok let me redisect everything to please you and the rest of the christian masses waiting for me to speak.... your tone in which you posted this definately points towards you have some type of anger towards me not enjoying the fruits of your lord. i really dont give a shit but hey i just needed to point out the fact you want to throw it in my face you are disecting my words for your pure enjoyment.

Just because you did not say it does not mean that you THOUGHT of it. Hate is often not impulsive. It is an action due to one's own formulated thought, opinion and judgement. The simple reason you thought about it and felt the need to even post an entire thread about it, implies that it DID and DOES bother you. However, I did not see ANY other threads of you going off on people offering you drugs, sex (LOL.. I wonder..), drinks etc. But somehow, someone.. a RELIGIOUS person offers you maybe "compassion", then suddenly you feel the need to "shut him down". That is what I do not understand.

well dr. phil now that your done, i didn't think ANYTHING... normally the word anything means everything sometimes something which can be nothing... anywho. so now that you formulated that i HATE christians. HATE would be something and i didn't think anything so refer to sentence 2 in this paragraph for your answer.

ok next on oprah. how people like to twist your words... How is me saying nothing to your idea of "COMPASSION" = me shutting him down? Don't I have to answer to do that? this isn't a dating game he wasn't waiting on a reply.


[quote]But your feeling uncomfortable is ON YOU, and not him. Simply saying you are not religious, sorry, is the 'civilized' thing to say. Now if he went on like "oh really? Why not? I want to save you", then by all means you should tell him to fuck off. However, he offered a comment, and left it at that. You making yourself feel uncomfortable has nothing to do with him, as he has no idea that he is even the cause of it. /quote]

nice try but wrong again. i never initiated the conversation so how is it ON ME? balls in your court b/c i said something off the wall... OK. YOUR AN ASSHOLE... YOUR TURN! please this isnt' fucking sunday school... if i say anything it opens up doors for BS i don't want to listen to, so the only true answer is NO answer. You wouldn't understand that in your perfect world scenerio.

Does it matter? Do you also say "No, thanks !!!" when people say "Bless you!" when you sneeze?

nope i don't acknowledge them if i dont' have too... then if i have to i will say Thanx. Its only polite to say thanx to some b/c if i say nothing then i'm the asshole... hold on, whose rules would i playing to again?

That is unless you YOURSELF want to add fuel to the fire. If he started going off then by all means, I would tell him "I said I am not religious, and do not want to discuss this." End of story. IF you go on by citing Satanic Rites instead then it would be a discussion and flame war that you yourself would partly be the cause of.

see that is why you dont' take the chance and say NOTHING. wooaa that was hard to say i've only said it.... 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, fuck i already forgot how many times. See this is where again you sound like you have a problem w/ me by assuming i'm Satanic. I really feel sorry for you pointing a finger at me for something yet you are doing it yourself. tisk tisk

What I actually think is that he was being compassionate. Was it a bit suggestive maybe? Absolutely. But it was not meant to offend you.

i'm so how again do you know it was out of compassion and that he wasn't try to offend me. he doesn't know me maybe he read my eyes and thought hey he worships the devil.... shit you so easily stated that above, why can't he think the same.

Hi sir, are you a drinker? (how DARE he ask you for a cocktail if you are not !), are you a vegetarian (how DARE he assume I eat meat?), are you a diabetic? (How DARE he offers me coke? Does he assume everyone is healthy?), Are you on atkins? (how DARE he suggest I have fries with that?? Does he assume everyone eats their starches?)

see this is what i love... you think that everything offends me b/c i'm angry at the world i hate christians blah blah blah... i hope you know one of my best friends on the boards is jaime, but hey he worships the devil w/ me... don't tell anyone.

its call small talk my friend, chit chat that has no meaning what so ever... this type of conversation doesn't have any objectives. you only make a comment like he did when you have an objective.

simple: hi how are you? can i take your drink order? good sure, i'll have a diet coke.

Point taken !! But would you tell me to FUCK OFF if I have never met you and OFFERED you a Cigarette? THAT is my point.

For example, There is a difference in saying "I'll pray for you" (Offering prayer), versus telling you "YOU should pray". Totally different, yet you obviously will take offense to both.

again saying "i'll pray for you", which really wouldn't of been much better is completely different than tell us "I GO TO CHURCH AND I PRAY EVERY SUNDAY"... shit if that wasn't him asking for a response i don't know what is.... either way i get a kick out of it and you for taking the time to disect everything i say for the sake of whatever your trying to accomplish.


OK BACK TO OUR REGULAR SCHEDULE PROGRAM/THREAD.

[ISAtlanta300]

ok let me redisect everything to please you and the rest of the christian masses waiting for me to speak.... your tone in which you posted this definately points towards you have some type of anger towards me not enjoying the fruits of your lord. i really dont give a shit but hey i just needed to point out the fact you want to throw it in my face you are disecting my words for your pure enjoyment.

I don't know you and I could give two shits if you chose to enjoy the fruits of my nutsacks, or from Baal.

So suddenly since I chose to respond for the sake of discussion, I am disecting your words with the intention of smearing them on your face? Wow.... I thought we were are adults here and we were discussing this in a civil matter. Would you rather me not respond to your posts anymore, Mr. Hitler? Maybe you can censor us all.

well dr. phil now that your done, i didn't think ANYTHING... normally the word anything means everything sometimes something which can be nothing... anywho. so now that you formulated that i HATE christians. HATE would be something and i didn't think anything so refer to sentence 2 in this paragraph for your answer.

You didn't think anything huh? I thought you said "i didn't say anything and kept my tongue to myself. i'm not angry, i said i find it FUNNY"

So you obviously thought it. And thought it enough to start an entire thread about it, and that is what brings us here today.

btw, i never said you "hated" christian. I was just citing an example.

ok next on oprah. how people like to twist your words... How is me saying nothing to your idea of "COMPASSION" = me shutting him down? Don't I have to answer to do that? this isn't a dating game he wasn't waiting on a reply.

Yes, I know that. You did not say anything to him. However the entire shutting him down was to elaborate on the situation if you had NOT kept your tongue to yourself.

But your feeling uncomfortable is ON YOU, and not him. Simply saying you are not religious, sorry, is the 'civilized' thing to say. Now if he went on like "oh really? Why not? I want to save you", then by all means you should tell him to fuck off. However, he offered a comment, and left it at that. You making yourself feel uncomfortable has nothing to do with him, as he has no idea that he is even the cause of it. /quote]

nice try but wrong again. i never initiated the conversation so how is it ON ME?

It is all spelled out above, do you really want me to write it all out again? He offered a comment and left it at that. If you felt uncomfortable about it, that is YOUR problem, not his. There does not have to be a conversation involved to get a person to feel uncomfortable. Like you said, this isn't sunday school.


I can already hear your keyboard ticking with "well, I did not ASK for his comment, so why the F. did he feel the need to tell me?". Come on.. you can do it !

nope i don't acknowledge them if i dont' have too... then if i have to i will say Thanx. Its only polite to say thanx to some b/c if i say nothing then i'm the asshole... hold on, whose rules would i playing to again?

I have no idea what you just said. You don't have to acknowledge, respond or even scratch your balls. But then why did you have to start this entire thread anyway?

see that is why you dont' take the chance and say NOTHING. wooaa that was hard to say i've only said it.... 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, fuck i already forgot how many times. See this is where again you sound like you have a problem w/ me by assuming i'm Satanic. I really feel sorry for you pointing a finger at me for something yet you are doing it yourself. tisk tisk:

Someone needs to look up "EXAMPLE" in the dictionary. tsk tsk tsk.

i'm so how again do you know it was out of compassion and that he wasn't try to offend me. he doesn't know me maybe he read my eyes and thought hey he worships the devil.... shit you so easily stated that above, why can't he think the same. :

Maybe he thought that, maybe he didn't. Then again, maybe you thought about taking him out back and beating the crap out of him, and maybe you didn't. Who knows? What does that have to do with anything? The most LOGICAL reason is out of compassion or making conversation.

Did I say that is was POSITIVELY, ABSOLUTELY compassion? NO. I said "what I ACTUALLY THINK".

see this is what i love... you think that everything offends me b/c i'm angry at the world i hate christians blah blah blah... i hope you know one of my best friends on the boards is jaime, but hey he worships the devil w/ me... don't tell anyone. :

Seriously though, enough with the devil worshipping crap. I am friends with Jaime too. You have to admit that many of your posts do reflect your general opinion about religious people. Even this thread.

what is more, you started with

some may be reading this thinking I JUST HATE CHRISTIANS... well guess what i don't. i just hate people who feel a need to publish to the world in every instance possible that they are a good person b/c they go to church/pray.

How do YOU know that THAT was what he was doing?? Who said he was even a GOOD person? Did he say WHICH church he went too? Maybe he goes to the Church of Lavey and prays every day, do YOU know that??
My my... arent' WE now quick to judge... but just because he said "Church" and "Pray" in the same sentence that automatically makes him a religious zealot and a goody two-shoes?

its call small talk my friend, chit chat that has no meaning what so ever... this type of conversation doesn't have any objectives. you only make a comment like he did when you have an objective.

simple: hi how are you? can i take your drink order? good sure, i'll have a diet coke.

again saying "i'll pray for you", which really wouldn't of been much better is completely different than tell us "I GO TO CHURCH AND I PRAY EVERY SUNDAY"... shit if that wasn't him asking for a response i don't know what is.....

Maybe he was asking for a response, maybe he wasn't. It would be no different than someone seeing you sneeze and say "I take two doses of claritin every morning for allergies". Heck maybe you had a cold, or your nose just itched. However, I won't go thinking how he is all up in my shit and post it on the internet.

either way i get a kick out of it and you for taking the time to disect everything i say for the sake of whatever your trying to accomplish..

I wonder the same thing on what you were trying to accomplish with this thread.

[David88vert]

You live in the Bible belt. Get used to it, or move to California.....

Sorry, that's all the advice I can give you. No need to get all worked up about it every day.....

[4dmin]

You live in the Bible belt. Get used to it, or move to California.....

Sorry, that's all the advice I can give you. No need to get all worked up about it every day.....

i'm not worked up over it, i just asked a simple question... and it spirals into this like always i just love the arguements on here... gets the blood flowing makes you feel alive... i'm really cool though.

alot of people may read shit i post in here and think i just hate christians, i promise you i really don't care, its your choice not mine... ask jaime he'll vouch for me.. i sound the same when i talk about Bush as well

[ISAtlanta300]

i'm not worked up over it, i just asked a simple question... and it spirals into this like always i just love the arguements on here... gets the blood flowing makes you feel alive... i'm really cool though.

alot of people may read shit i post in here and think i just hate christians, i promise you i really don't care, its your choice not mine... ask jaime he'll vouch for me.. i sound the same when i talk about Bush as well

You know I have no beef with you, and about your beliefs or lacks thereof. You should know I talk a lot of shit online too. Half my posts have hints of sarcasm in there. Discussions are good. It makes people think and can offer differen perspectives at times. Though things can get heated at times, but that is the price of admission for an opinion..

[SniperJoe]

Let me say a couple of things in this case:

1. Extremism in any form is generally a bad thing. The religious people out there who think that it is their mission to convert the world are as bad as those people who make it their mission to destroy the religion of others.

2. Another problem in most cases is that it is impossible to have a frank discussion of ideas on religion with people. Most people simply believe in the religion or lack thereof that they were brought up with. A vast majority of these people have never gone out exploring things on their own, due to whatever fear they may have and thus have never been able to form an original idea of their own belief system. I think that the thing that people fear most is the fact that they may be wrong. Most people are so scared of even a hint of that possibility that they will not even address an argument about it. Combine this with the fact that they have nothing to back it up with and you get complete shutdown when simply trying to talk to another person.

3. Because of #2, it has become a complete taboo to speak about religion. Because people go completely into shutdown or get offended so quickly that it generally isn't worth the time or effort to try, which is sad, as any honest exchange of ideas is a good thing. Such exchanges are becoming rarer and rarer, as people have an incorrect belief that in America, they have the right to not be offended by anyone. To all of you out there that believe that, you can go fuck yourself (How's THAT for not being offended).

[ISAtlanta300]

Let me say a couple of things in this case:

1. Extremism in any form is generally a bad thing. The religious people out there who think that it is their mission to convert the world are as bad as those people who make it their mission to destroy the religion of others.

2. Another problem in most cases is that it is impossible to have a frank discussion of ideas on religion with people. Most people simply believe in the religion or lack thereof that they were brought up with. A vast majority of these people have never gone out exploring things on their own, due to whatever fear they may have and thus have never been able to form an original idea of their own belief system. I think that the thing that people fear most is the fact that they may be wrong. Most people are so scared of even a hint of that possibility that they will not even address an argument about it. Combine this with the fact that they have nothing to back it up with and you get complete shutdown when simply trying to talk to another person.

3. Because of #2, it has become a complete taboo to speak about religion. Because people go completely into shutdown or get offended so quickly that it generally isn't worth the time or effort to try, which is sad, as any honest exchange of ideas is a good thing. Such exchanges are becoming rarer and rarer, as people have an incorrect belief that in America, they have the right to not be offended by anyone. To all of you out there that believe that, you can go fuck yourself (How's THAT for not being offended).

LOL... blunt, but a good point.

[Jaimecbr900]

I'm serious, next time somebody doesn't email me and tell me about a good discussion going on in here......I'm hit em over the head with my BIBLE.....

I vouch for Paul being the same butt lick in real life as he is online.....JP. Paul is opinionated like many of us. He knows I don't agree with him on lots of things. I do agree with his viewpoints sometimes too. He's not a bad person, just a free thinker. That's good and healthy, most of the time.

With that said, I think he was a little quick to rush to judgement considering that it was probably very benign statement that was being made. As thick of skin as I know he has, I'm surprised that bothered him that much. I personally don't think it should have, considering all the comments everyone must endure in each day we don't necessarily agree with.

I also agree with Vern and Jesse in that this really should not be a PC issue. It seems like people are asked all the time to "grow a thicker skin" when it comes to talking about things, yet when it's about something they don't agree with it suddenly is OK to lash out. It's human nature, but it's also wrong. If the left asks the right to be more tolerant, then it stands to reason that both sides should abide by that (not just one).




-Let this be the last time yall leave me out of a good discussion......

[Hulud]

-Let this be the last time yall leave me out of a good discussion......

maybe you should venture in here more lol

[Jaimecbr900]

maybe you should venture in here more lol

You and Paul should've been the first to PM me......yall know yall love debating with me.

[Romeyo07]

The religious people who are out to convert the world have issues...as that is not what they're supposed to do.

My job is to tell you the story, not make you buy the book.

I'm always up for religious talk from any walk of life. I don't take offense, it's just your opinion.

[babowc]

lol.. that guy definitely was RANDOM.
no reason for him to come out and say that...

anyways, old proverb:

as wheatstalk grows older,
its head falls.

something like that.. its a korean proverb.
meaning.. you should become more humble as you grow (in anything; life, religion, wealth, etc)

[metalman]

I have what might be a different view of those who sometimes "lash out" at the things of Christ or the Bible. I see that as evidence of goodness within that person or persons. The war between good and evil is fought within each person. Concience is sometimes at work and that is a good thing. If a person has NO response to anything of God that could be far worse in my view. Not judging anyone specific, just speaking in general.

[trini_gsr]

i agree with leading by example...

when i was a freshman in college, there was this christian cat that lived across the hall from me. he was real cool, real mellow...just seemed to have it all together. and i knew him for months before the subject of religion even came up. but just by the way he carried himself - no cursing, no excessive partying, etc - it just made me curious as to what was his motivation/inspiration...

one day the subject of religion came up, he told me he was a christian, and that started a series of discussions, lol. but to me...dude was probably the best example i have seen of how a christian is supposed to live. he didn't make a big spectacle of his beliefs, but lived his life in accordance with the Bible and it definitely shined through. i think that attracts folks a lot more than the Bible thumping...