interesting discussion...but probably pointless because it's not like any of the ppl arguing are gonna actually change their minds or adjust their positions. but an outside person reading might get a question answered or learn something...

now metalman made some comments on placing the best bet (in terms of belief in God/creation), so if you're wrong then you have nothing to lose...

well when it comes to religion/spirituality, i'm gonna look at the info in front of me and go with what feels right. i'm not gonna be bullied into believing in God for fear of eternally getting my ass kicked, or be lulled into it by dangling a prize in my face either. personally, i think that totally defeats the purpose of believing in God or being moral to begin with.

and for the record i do believe in creation as it makes the most sense to me given the facts and my personal experiences...but to deny evolution doesn't occur in nature is pretty ridiculous also. so i doubt life began exactly as described in genesis. that story isn't even original to the bible, and is actually derived from an older and arguably more plausible creation account.

but to stay on topic...like someone said early, either position is defensible and both require a leap of faith...