I hate that picture. I would probably beat the shit out of that guy if I saw him, but yes I know everyone had their own opinions. I knw I know.
I hate that picture. I would probably beat the shit out of that guy if I saw him, but yes I know everyone had their own opinions. I knw I know.
Well, first of all, it's easy to present a case strictly on pulling out PORTIONS of any text and twisting it to fit your needs. Notice how none of the quoted text the author uses to prove a point ever has any notations to previous context that either preceeded it or followed it. In other words, it's convinient to take things out of context and make it seem like what you wanted it to say. We all could do that. I'm sure we could do the same treatment to his work if we wanted.
Second, just about every point he brings up can actually be agreed with even by the Christian side. Why deny there is a Heaven and a Hell? IF you're scared of one or the the other, what's wrong with that? Now, I agree with him that a preacher shouldn't get up on a pulpit and fire down at parishoners with "scare tactics", ie. fire and brimstone sermons. But truth is an absolute defense IMO. If someone were to ask me if there is a "hell", I'd answer yes. If they inquired more as to what I believed it was like, I'd tell them. If after all that THEY were scared, that's like shooting the messanger. Some things are scary. Death is scary to most, yet it doesn't change the FACT that it happens, right? So, why would telling someone about it make it any worse? It just IS.
Finally, and more importantly, people will believe what they want to believe the majority of the time. If they have ingrained in their psychy that God doesn't exist, they will find supporters of their beliefs to agree with them. It's only natural. So, for him to generalize certain things as : Christopher Columbus= Catholic; Christopher Columbus used slaves= Christianity abdocates slavery and therefore Christianity is bad.....is ridiculous. Where is this guy from? I'm willing to bet just about anything that somewhere in HIS background generations ago HIS ancestors probably had an example of either having or using slaves. What's that got to do with him today? Does that put in question the validity of HIS work because of that mere fact?
This author merely showed a very 1 sided view and gave absolutely no credence to the other side. Ironically enough, that's exactly what fire and brimstone preachers and followers do for the most part....How can one be right and not the other?
i'm just wondering here are you disputing the fact that christians supported slavery for centurys? that would be like stating that you don't believe molestation ever happened in the catholic churches... religion is slavery to begin withOriginally Posted by Jaimecbr900
You didn't answer my question, so I guess you misunderstood.
I'm not arguing one way or another if something happened centuries ago. I'm merely saying that to make the leap forward of tying that to religion today is ludicrous. In other words, just because an ancestor of yours did something how does that relate to YOU today? Isn't a far leap to assume it makes you and your ancestor one in the same? Therefore, how can you glob religion the same way? Every single religion in the entire face of the earth has had someone commit something irrevocably wrong while shouting out their name.
Look at the case of Islam right now. Islam is said to be a peaceful religion. I've seen and agreed with many people that defend that viewpoint. What does mainstream think though? That ALL Islam advocates is violence for anyone that doesn't follow it's beliefs. How right is that? It's actually LESS of a leap to tie since there have been beheadings and suicide bombers who clearly by their own admissions did their deeds in the name of "Islam".
So for the author of that to loosely tie that Christianity as a whole condones slavery because Christopher Columbus had slaves on his ships (as EVERY ship routinely did) and since he was a Catholic that means Christianity CONDONED it is far fetched at best. Does that mean that if you buy something made in China, you are FOR child labor violations? See what I mean?
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leap forward... hmmm there is still slavery, racisim, seperatism, today... what leap are you refering to... that black people can vote, own land, etc... what are we talking about 50 years?
also you are christian, you already have sin in you from the original... so if you have to carry such a burden why wouldn't you carry the burden of all mankind or christians who came before you? you live with what they haev done everyday, why would this be different?
yes i buy things from china and if they come from labor camps, guess what... one i wouldnt' know b/c i'm not from china, two nothing i can do will change the fact i'm going to buy products from there regardless.
#1- Name a place where slavery is still allowed today.
#2- Black people weren't the only race that was ever enslaved.
#3- My point wasn't that something happened or it didn't, it was that because someone did it doesn't mean his/her RELIGION condoned it or preached it was right.
Because "sin" is something that can only be carried or forgiven by the individual. I can't pay for your sins any more than I can of my own children.also you are christian, you already have sin in you from the original... so if you have to carry such a burden why wouldn't you carry the burden of all mankind or christians who came before you? you live with what they haev done everyday, why would this be different?
Therefore, what does the sin of other people from generations ago have to do with my choices now? They either live or die by their choices as will I.
yes i buy things from china and if they come from labor camps, guess what... one i wouldnt' know b/c i'm not from china, two nothing i can do will change the fact i'm going to buy products from there regardless.
So therefore according to your's and the author's logic, you are condoning and even supporting child labor camps then. He says "Christianity" advocates slavery because some people that were "Christians" had or used slaves. How is you buying a pair of tennis shoes made by the hands of some 9 yr old in some 3rd world country going to be any reflection on YOU? THAT is exactly my point. How is the action of one have to do with the ideology of another?
Like I said, it's far fetched and loosely connected at best. Either way, it's a weak argument since I'm willing to bet there's not a single Slave owner todaythat is a true Christian. Hell, anything can be loosely connected if we dig far enough and make enough assumptions.
so would you say that a lot of "christians" in the US pre-civil war were not REAL christians, because they either 1. owned slaves or 2. were racist?Either way, it's a weak argument since I'm willing to bet there's not a single Slave owner today
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umm i can name two right off hand the africa and the middle east
ummm ok, like i stated the catholic church has known for 100's of years their priest have been molesting young boys... i'm guessing that is the burden of the individual not the church? :jerkit:#3- My point wasn't that something happened or it didn't, it was that because someone did it doesn't mean his/her RELIGION condoned it or preached it was right.
do you not believe you are born in sin? and why are we born in sin? ok then, so my point is valid you have to live every day w/ the sins of past generations.what does the sin of other people from generations ago have to do with my choices now?
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