20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity

[4dmin]

You didn't answer my question, so I guess you misunderstood.

I'm not arguing one way or another if something happened centuries ago. I'm merely saying that to make the leap forward of tying that to religion today is ludicrous. In other words, just because an ancestor of yours did something how does that relate to YOU today? Isn't a far leap to assume it makes you and your ancestor one in the same? Therefore, how can you glob religion the same way? Every single religion in the entire face of the earth has had someone commit something irrevocably wrong while shouting out their name.

Look at the case of Islam right now. Islam is said to be a peaceful religion. I've seen and agreed with many people that defend that viewpoint. What does mainstream think though? That ALL Islam advocates is violence for anyone that doesn't follow it's beliefs. How right is that? It's actually LESS of a leap to tie since there have been beheadings and suicide bombers who clearly by their own admissions did their deeds in the name of "Islam".

So for the author of that to loosely tie that Christianity as a whole condones slavery because Christopher Columbus had slaves on his ships (as EVERY ship routinely did) and since he was a Catholic that means Christianity CONDONED it is far fetched at best. Does that mean that if you buy something made in China, you are FOR child labor violations? See what I mean?

leap forward... hmmm there is still slavery, racisim, seperatism, today... what leap are you refering to... that black people can vote, own land, etc... what are we talking about 50 years?

also you are christian, you already have sin in you from the original... so if you have to carry such a burden why wouldn't you carry the burden of all mankind or christians who came before you? you live with what they haev done everyday, why would this be different?

yes i buy things from china and if they come from labor camps, guess what... one i wouldnt' know b/c i'm not from china, two nothing i can do will change the fact i'm going to buy products from there regardless.

[Jaimecbr900]

leap forward... hmmm there is still slavery, racisim, seperatism, today... what leap are you refering to... that black people can vote, own land, etc... what are we talking about 50 years?

#1- Name a place where slavery is still allowed today.
#2- Black people weren't the only race that was ever enslaved.
#3- My point wasn't that something happened or it didn't, it was that because someone did it doesn't mean his/her RELIGION condoned it or preached it was right.

also you are christian, you already have sin in you from the original... so if you have to carry such a burden why wouldn't you carry the burden of all mankind or christians who came before you? you live with what they haev done everyday, why would this be different?

Because "sin" is something that can only be carried or forgiven by the individual. I can't pay for your sins any more than I can of my own children.
Therefore, what does the sin of other people from generations ago have to do with my choices now? They either live or die by their choices as will I.

yes i buy things from china and if they come from labor camps, guess what... one i wouldnt' know b/c i'm not from china, two nothing i can do will change the fact i'm going to buy products from there regardless.

So therefore according to your's and the author's logic, you are condoning and even supporting child labor camps then. He says "Christianity" advocates slavery because some people that were "Christians" had or used slaves. How is you buying a pair of tennis shoes made by the hands of some 9 yr old in some 3rd world country going to be any reflection on YOU? THAT is exactly my point. How is the action of one have to do with the ideology of another?

Like I said, it's far fetched and loosely connected at best. Either way, it's a weak argument since I'm willing to bet there's not a single Slave owner today that is a true Christian. Hell, anything can be loosely connected if we dig far enough and make enough assumptions.

[Hulud]

Either way, it's a weak argument since I'm willing to bet there's not a single Slave owner today that is a true Christian.

so would you say that a lot of "christians" in the US pre-civil war were not REAL christians, because they either 1. owned slaves or 2. were racist?

[4dmin]

#1- Name a place where slavery is still allowed today.

umm i can name two right off hand the africa and the middle east

#3- My point wasn't that something happened or it didn't, it was that because someone did it doesn't mean his/her RELIGION condoned it or preached it was right.

ummm ok, like i stated the catholic church has known for 100's of years their priest have been molesting young boys... i'm guessing that is the burden of the individual not the church? :jerkit:

what does the sin of other people from generations ago have to do with my choices now?

do you not believe you are born in sin? and why are we born in sin? ok then, so my point is valid you have to live every day w/ the sins of past generations.

[metalman]

ummm ok, like i stated the catholic church has known for 100's of years their priest have been molesting young boys... i'm guessing that is the burden of the individual not the church? :jerkit:

This is true. Not only have they been molesting boys but women as well. Abraham Lincoln was involved in a court proceeding where he acted as defense lawyer for a priest who TRIED to blow the whistle on the sexual abuses of women/children by other priests. The response of the church? They paid a woman to say she was "molested" by the whistle blower in an attempt to destroy his character and credibility.

The problem is though is that this has nothing to do with true Christianity. The roman catholic church is not a Christian entity but masquerades as one. It makes up its own nonsensical teachings/dogma by its own "authority" and does not submit to Scriptural principles and/or teachings. Its even so presumptious to think that God must "act" upon its "authority".
Nothing related to its behaviour/history should surprise you.