if god is real,he is laughing at you all ,simply because you fuckin people put so much faith in something that cant be proven...FUCK GOD AND FUCK YOU!
if god is real,he is laughing at you all ,simply because you fuckin people put so much faith in something that cant be proven...FUCK GOD AND FUCK YOU!
nothing like an intelligent responsive postOriginally Posted by b@d @pple
I am thinking you might not recognize or aknowledge the "proof" if it slapped you in the face ...and I am afraid one day it will. Nonetheless, youre certainly free to pursue whatever belief or lack of it you wish.
I am all for freedom.
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nothing like an intelligent responsive post
I am thinking you might not recognize or aknowledge the "proof" if it slapped you in the face ...and I am afraid one day it will. Nonetheless, youre certainly free to pursue whatever belief or lack of it you wish.
I am all for freedom.
its cool,thats a typical response from a christian anyway...."proof" that god exists or that jesus was the son of god,hah..thats funny...you sir have nothing to go by except your so called faith,the belief in the unproven.so please dont open your fuckin mouth to me about about what proof i lack recognition of...
That what I always wonder. Where is the physical proof. Later, QD.
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The proof you seek is all around you. The very body you inhabit, the earth you live in, the fact that a gracious Creator allows you to choose even to curse him...and on and on and on. The evidences are too numerous to list. The fact you cat see it, or dont wish to is your problem.
I find it interesting that people who choose to disregard God always seem angry about it. That in itself is quite telling. Among other things that itself is evidence of the concience God created within all of us.
Like it or not the day is coming for all...
"All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee."
"All those who go down to the dust shall bow before him, even he who can't keep his soul alive."
"Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear"
"For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God"
that's just a plain ingornant statement. By reading that I wonder how you were even able to type the letters yourself... come on admit it, mommie typed for you didn't she...
of course you can't "prove" it that's why it's called "faith" not science. I guess gravity dosen't exsist. we're all being held down by all of the air above you I guess.
85% of people in this country celebrate "christmas" and/or christians. 42% of people elected Bill Clinton president so why can't 85% call it christmas? also, why do we have Santa Clause, when everyone knows he has nothing to do with the birth of christ "biblically". I think this might help explain things, since "most of us white folk have ancestors from the region.
I had to look this up. It's isn't the American Santa Claus story by far...
In the fourth century a.d. St. Nicholas (in dutch called "Sinterklaas" or "Sint Nicolaas"; in german called "Sankt Nikolaus") was the bishop of Myra, which is now situated in Turkey. According to the legend, he saved his town from starvation. He is also said to have revived three dead children, and to have offered gifts of dowries to poor girls. Some sources say that he died on the sixth of December in 343. In 1087 his relics were taken to Bari in Italy. It is unclear why, according to the Dutch tradition, he comes from Spain. Possibly it has something to do with the fact that St. Nicholas was the patron of sailors. In the 17th century Holland was famous for its navigation. Maybe by contact with Spanish sailors this myth began. It could also explain why St. Nicholas has "zwarte (black) pieten" to help him because the Moors dominated Spain for several hundreds of years. (Another [more popular] explanation for "zwarte piet" being black is that he has come down the chimneys so often [see below] that he can't wash the dirt off.)
His legendary gifts of dowries to poor girls led to the custom of giving gifts to children on the eve of his feast day, 6 December. The companions of St. Nicholas (in Germany and Austria they are called "Knecht Ruprecht" or "Krampus") show the victory over evil. Together with his "pieten" he visits children to punish the evil ones and to reward the good ones. The worst punishment is to be taken to Spain in "zwarte piet's" bag out of which the good children get the sweets (called "pepernoten", "taai-taai", or "schuimpjes") and presents. A less radical punishment is to get the "roede" (rod) instead of presents. Nowadays there are not much evil children any more...
A few weeks before his feastday St. Nicholas comes to Holland (and Belgium) on his steamer with all his "pieten" and the presents which they prepared in Spain during the year. This event can be seen on Dutch television. From his arrival in Holland till his feastday the children can put their shoes in front of the fireplace. During the night St. Nicholas visits all the houses by travelling over the roofs on his horse, traditionally a white/grey (called "Schimmel" in dutch), and "zwarte piet" enters the houses through the chimney to put little presents in the children's shoes. Sometimes the children put straw, carrots and water near the shoe for the horse.
On the eve of his feast day St. Nicholas visits all children. After knocking on the door he gives them a bag full of presents (if they were good children). Early in the morning of 6 December, when he has visited everyone, he leaves and goes back silently to Spain, to come back next year.
More at...
http://www-astro.physics.ox.ac.uk/%7...sint/sint.html
now I rant... it;s a christmas tree! not a holiday tree, not a manora(spelling) tree or a kwanza(which is completly made up) tree! take christmas completely out of everything there is no TREE! this wouldn't happen anywhere else in the world. imagine you're in Thailand or any Buhddist country and you go to the local court house and you got to the local court house and tell the judge that you want to sue the gov't for having a giant golden buddah in public desplay or you live in india you tell someone that the cow in front of your building is offensive because of it's religous implications. you'll probally get bitch slapped. btw comparing "pagan rituals" to christian or anyother religous form of worship is just a backhanded way to belittle said religon by equating it to a bunch of savages dancing around a fire sacrificing a goat to the harvest god. so stuff that. I don't feeling like quoting parts of peoples posts and all that crap so I'll just say that those of you whom said, "no where in the bible does it say we should worship the birth of christ" you are correct. Does it say in the declairation of indepedence that we should "celebrate" the 4th of July? no it does not. the birth of christ is kinda of a big deal to christians. so they chose to celebrate it by giving gifts like the 3 wise men did and getting the family together, blah, blah.
if you didn't want to read all the crap I've posted above that's fine I understand, I'll just say this, "if you don't want to call it a christmas tree and call dec. 25th christmas. feel free toounch the time clock and go to work. so you won't be forced to "celebrate" it by the horriable christians.
hah ignorant because its not what you believe,once again another typical statement......i undertsnad why it cal ed faith,the belief in something that cannot be proven,also known as a crutch..i think its entertaining for you to challenge my intelligence due to my beliefs,all of you are doing the work of "god"..judging non believers one by one!..so while this topic is always fun to debate...i have more important things to do..so enjoy
apparently you don't ^"undertsnad why it cal ed faith..." it's obvious that you can't read cause you couldn't read what you had written previously. I'm not challenging your beliefs or "judging" anyone. I'm challenging your ability to form a coherient thought. it is evident that you're not doing a good job of convincing anyone that you can. all I can hope is that you don't find some way to a voting station.
now I would like everyone reading this to take a few minutes and look at this. notice how he(the person whom I am quoting) does not address any of the points made in my post. All he(I'm assumin it's a he) does is revert back to the "typical statement" defense; it is similar to the "liar liar pants on fire" political stragety used by politicians and columinists today.
Beliefs are based on what I can actually see. The fact you choose not to see is your choice. I have no problem with free choice.
Talking/listening to the spirits of devils is "proof" of God as well.
I certainly believe in those as well as the evidence for satan is just as much real and around us as the evidence for God.
I don't talk/listen to devils. Spirits of people is who I deal with. I'm into into seances and tarot and that shit. I see just find. 20/20 everytime I have my vision checked. What you "see/hear" is with your mind. Which, again, goes back to believing. It isn't visual proof that you see with your eyes or ears. You don't actually see God making life, making trees grow, making it rain. You see the events happen, but you don't know for fact that God causes this. You believe God causes this. I'm not knocking you for beliefs, believe me. I believe in God. I've just always had questions. Who hasn't? Later, QD.
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Even you have to admit that this can be debated. Where is the proof that the voices of the "spirits" are actually from dead people? Did they tell you their name and carry on a conversation with you? What you have are snippets of video and audio that can be debunked by sceptics and scientists.
Mind you, I am not questioning your evidences. But even with sooo much evidence there is still so much speculation of what a spirit is, and isn't. You may believe that they are ghosts. Others may question your belief, but it does not change your faith, and that whatever they are, that they ARE there.
Same thing with christians. They chose to believe because what they see is evident of God's hand and creation. Just because you do not see it, does not change their beliefs.
Both of you could be wrong, but then again, both of you could be right.
Au revoir, IS3
I got free clear tails with my ride.....
Indeed. Its such a simple stupid trick of the devil, its amazing how many poor souls fall for it. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that satan knows the details of the lives of the departed. He can easily impersonate them or reveal details of their lives. He appeared to Saul in the Bible imperosonating Samuel the prophet. That was right before Saul killed himself of course.
The fact that under a theocracy the children of Isreal were to kill any witches or necromancers...(those who talk to the "dead") should clearly indicate that there is absolutely no chance of it being anything BUT the devil as well.
If you believe in God that would require belief in his Word as well and that is VERY clear!
"No doubt but ye are the people, and wisdom shall die with you.
But I have understanding as well as you; I am not inferior to you: yea, who knoweth not such things as these?
For there is hope of a tree, if it be cut down, that it will sprout again, and that the tender branch thereof will not cease.
Though the root thereof wax old in the earth, and the stock thereof die in the ground;
Yet through the scent of water it will bud, and bring forth boughs like a plant.
But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he?
As the waters fail from the sea, and the flood decayeth and drieth up:
So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep."
Speaking of the dead...
"His sons come to honour, and he knoweth it not; and they are brought low, but he perceiveth it not of them"
"The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence"
"Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish"
"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest"
Being DEAD = NOT ALIVE ANYWHERE, not awake, no thoughts, no wisdom, no conscousness, no communication, nothing!
Quite a thread topic drift....as for Xmas...I have no problem with it, I just like to be clear that it is not now or ever been a true Christian thing...its simply glossed over, renamed pagan nonsense primarily brought about in later centuries by the catholic church, although there are other influences as well. The name Christmas doesnt offend me. Its not my name.
The overwhelming physical evidence for a Creator God is all around us.
The conclusions reached by that ramble/rant are seriously flawed in that it is all based on human intellect, reasoning, and deductions. Nothing physical at all. In fact the premise ignores all physical evidence. Its a series a reasonings that are designed to confuse the question rather then answer ANY question. This tactic is well known among a select group of people. It has a number of names but the one I think fits best is "fogging".
Thanks but I'll stick with the physical evidence.
To avoid going into a long rant (which I had already typed in) I'm just going to say I HIGHLY disagree with all this bullshit about "holiday".... The Christian holiday is Christmas, and the tree's we use are referred to as Christmas tree's. If you dont celebrate it, thats fine, but dont expect us to change OUR holiday to make you happy or "unoffended"... Fuck all you who are offended. (not directed torwards anyone specific, just in general)So there is alot of talk now b/c alot of gov't organizations that do xMAS trees have now changed the names to Holiday Trees, many school have taken xMAS out of theme songs in music class, etc...
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS?
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me personally i really don't care i have come accustomed to xMAS themes though i am not a christian... but they are in grained in me b/c we are feed christian values everywhere in this country w/o choice; i think it is a big move for the gov't to seperate what was supposed to be a religious holiday w/ the greediest time of year
I can't take it anymore! I have to say it!
Our planet and everything on it wa created as a project to find the meaning of life. What happened was aliens on a planet far far away wanted to know the meaning of life. So, they created a mega-super-gianormaous computer to figure out the meaning of life; and after many many many(the exact # escapes me right now) years it formulated an anwser...42. overcome with frustration the aliens decided that creeating a planet and closely observing it for millions and millions and millions of years they would discover the truth. we''ll you all can guess how that's going.
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