people who use god as an excuse for everything

[tony]

Okay this one is starting to get to me because I hear it so much.. its directed at people who sit on their ass but at the same time say "god will make a way" People who wont get out there and work for what they want or need and wait for "god" to do it for them.. even quote scriptures from the bible as to why god will provide for them.

It is part of the reason I dont care too much for church because many people there have this train of thought, at least the churches I've gone to. I havent met one successful person that said god did everything for them, usually if they believe in god their train of thought is that god gave them the will to go out and accomplish everything they have.

Just had to get this one off my chest as I listen to V-103 and listen to people make excuses for their situation and use god as an excuse to be lazy.

[AtifSajid]

Let me tell you something Tony..

I feel what you are saying. And since this is in the religion section, Im going to point out a religious way to you..but this depends upon how religious you are. If you are not religious, then everything I say is going to be garbage to you, but its all good.

God has written out everyones life for them before they even go about there life. Some people were destined to be rich. Some poor. Some will have it easy and be rich with no problems. Some will have to work real hard to get where they want to.

Everything someone does is what they do. God just gives them the power to do it. I know people who are rich and never once did they say God in anything they did. God just has different plans for them after they die. God lets them live there life on earth as paradise, but then gives them hell once they pass away.

God will never make a way if someone doesnt get up off there ass to do something. They can say that all they want, but even God knows he just isnt going to put $1,000,000 in there bank account for them sitting on there butt and doing nothing. But if you get up and do something in Gods name and try to do something, then of course you will get somewhere. It may take some time or may not take anytime. For some people having God in there mind and trying to get somewhere makes things much easier and it makes it seem like it is really working. It helps keep you calm and keeps pushing you.

God also puts everyone through tests. And these are wordly tests. Like god makes people struggle hard to get where they want to. He wants to find out if this child of mine will keep on striving using me to get where he wants, or will he give up on me and just do it on his own. If you pass the test, then you will be successful.

I dont write all this just because I was told this. I have been through it myself. I have went from having $1,000 of dollars to maybe $500 with a family, house, bills, cars, etc.. and not once did I give up on God, I strived hard, but every step of the way I always made sure I came back and gave praise to God...and now everything is GREAT.

Its a long and sometimes hard to explain question, but I hope in some way I explained something..

[Jaimecbr900]

Very good explaination Atif.

Tony, you have to understand, like I've tried to explain on this forum a million times, some people that call themselves Christians or religious aren't really religious nor Christian at all. They do use it as an excuse for where they are in their lives. But to say that "Religion" or "Churches" are like this or like that is generalizing incorrectly. I know a ton of genuinely good people that are very successful and noone knows their name. They donate their time and money and never once want or ask for their names to be mentioned. To them it's not about recognition, it's about a firm belief of what's the right thing to do. Recognition always finds people like that eventually, so they don't care to ask for it now.

So more often than not, people that go on these talk shows and the like wanting sympathy and professing to be "Religious" are simply looking to be seen and heard. You can usually tell the difference between someone that is gracious and someone that is an attention hog.

[AtifSajid]

Your right Jamie..I know quite a few people including myself and im sure you, that doesnt want recognition by anyone, except God!!

[4dmin]

People will always play the GOD card whenever they get the chance... God's Plan? ya what is that? Life is an equal playing field filleds of players some may work hard some may not.... some may become successful some maynot. You can never work a day in your life an be rich, it happens. But the problem is people want to use what they can for sympathy and GOD is the ticket for many. "I'm poor but god has a plan for me"... ya that plan was to finish high school and not become a white trash trailor park queen.

There isn't a plan for you... life is a choice, believing in god is a choice... if GOD has a plan for you then thats like saying hey Paul "GOD doesn't want you to believe in him"... well i guess there is a plan for me b/c i don't :jerkit:

This is like bums... i've always wanted to drive around in a truck picking up bums w/ WILL WORK FOR FOOD signs, take them out to a farm give them some tools and say go to work. I'm sure 99% of them would run for the hills when asked to work.

[NEONRACER]

If god has planned everyones life for them in advance, it is safe to say that god is a sick mofo. That statement is so stupid. Answer me this then.

If god has planned everyone life then why did god plan for this man to molest this little girl, why does this little girl have to be molested? Why does god plan for women to be hookers, and why does he plan for women to be raped? Why does god plan for murderers to kill people? If you ask me it's a pretty sick joke if god has planned our lives ahead of time. Why are people destined to do these types of things? Why has god created places in this world that people die from disease and starvation? Why is that the Africa is riddled with AIDS and other diseases that kill thousands? Why has god written these peoples lives to be so terrible and full of suffering?

I am sure the answer will be it's god's will or another very very broad expanation, but if you ask me it's sounds like a pretty cruel joke.

[rolling_trip]

Who are we to know why? This is where faith kicks in, beleiving that there is some greater picture that we can not see this side of heaven. If that is too hard for you, then blame it on "free will" that was given to us, and the evil that are in men's hearts. There are too many things in this world that can not simple be explained, this is where our faith lies.

[NEONRACER]

So our lives are written out for us, yet will still have free will to do what we want? Do you see the problem with that? How can our lives be planned, yet we still have the power to change it?

[1zach4]

OK this conversation is never going to come to a conclusion because you have all started to touch on the subject of "Predestination"

It is a highly debated subject in and out of the church, and we won't find the answer sitting here chatting on this forum. This is definately one of those topics in the Bible that we as human beings simply do not have the brain capacity to fully wrap our minds around the subject and understand it.

So in all honesty, I would let this subject die. God gave humans a free-will and that's all I will say.

[quickdodge®]

So our lives are written out for us, yet will still have free will to do what we want? Do you see the problem with that? How can our lives be planned, yet we still have the power to change it?

See the irony? Let me in on this. Why would God give us free will in our pre-planned life? Makes totally no sense at all. Later, QD.

[Speedm0(\)key]

there isnt a god.. like we make it out to be.. best way to put it.. is like this: god is a kid with an ant farm.. we are that ant farm, what happens to us as a society or individually is completely up to us.. sure you can say "hey.. GOD DOES EXIST and he cares!".. shieeet. sure im no one to tell you not to beleive in a pretty story (religion).

bottom freaking line is.. no one knows shit for sure.. EXCEPT... that we dont know shit for sure. so i wont throw god off completely.. but i wont embrace any religion cause to me its flat out weak

[quickdodge®]

there isnt a god.. like we make it out to be.. best way to put it.. is like this: god is a kid with an ant farm.. we are that ant farm, what happens to us as a society or individually is completely up to us.. sure you can say "hey.. GOD DOES EXIST and he cares!".. shieeet. sure im no one to tell you not to beleive in a pretty story (religion).

bottom freaking line is.. no one knows shit for sure.. EXCEPT... that we dont know shit for sure. so i wont throw god off completely.. but i wont embrace any religion cause to me its flat out weak

As stupid as all that sounded, I wil have to agree. Well...I don't know about the ant farm analogy, but the jist was there. Later, QD.

[AWD OWNZ U]

God just gives them the power to do it. I know people who are rich and never once did they say God in anything they did. God just has different plans for them after they die. God lets them live there life on earth as paradise, but then gives them hell once they pass away.

Wow just wow. You have quite possibly the most horrbily depressing view on what is life is that I've ever heard. What I'm going to say is going to be offensive I'm sure, but I honestly don't mean it that way.

How you ever just sat down and thought about much sense what you are saying makes? Frankly to me you sound more like a person is who jealous of other people's lives and are trying to justify where you are at this point in yours. Instead of taking responbility for your choices and where they get you in life, you hide yourself in veils of divine destiny.

You know why some people have more money than others? Because they are smarter, work harder, are more determined, or occasionally are just in the right place at the right time. There is no magically intervention at work, there is no crazy secret to success.

Let me tell you a story. I have a friend who is a born again Christian. He's a pretty successful guy, well educated, good job, he's a little strange but still a good guy. He has not had a girlfriend in the 4+ years I've known him. Why you ask? Well because in his words God will provide one for him when he's ready. That doesn't mean he doesn't go out and meet girls and what-not but what it does is make him complacent. Instead of asking himself what he can do to make girls like him more, he thinks since he is a good Christian eventually God will destine him to meet the right woman.

Here's my point, when you write things off to God you become lax in what really counts, yourself. I cannot prove to you that God does or does not exist nor what hand he has in your life. I can however prove to you that the amount of work you put into yourself directly effects your life and how far you get in it. Whenever something goes wrong or bad in my life I ask myself what I could have done differently. Even when it's not my fault I could almost always have prevented it or mitigated it's effects. The net result is that I grow as a person every time and I'm better than I was before. I don't know what will happen to me after I die, but I do know that when I reach that point I will have tried my damndest (irony noted) to die the best person I can be, God or not.

[Speedm0(\)key]

As stupid as all that sounded, I wil have to agree. Well...I don't know about the ant farm analogy, but the jist was there. Later, QD.

i hate you with a passion, but you're cool

[quickdodge®]

^^^ Lolol. We have mutual feelings towards each other. Funny, though. Cause we have never even met. Later, QD.

[SLOWR/T]

Let me tell you a story. I have a friend who is a born again Christian.

uhhhh your joking right??? i dont want to misunderstand you but do you mean he died then was born again?? thats how im understanding it.

[1zach4]

I am a "born again" Christian.

In order to be considered a Christian and go to heaven you must be "born again" which means you figuratively die to your old sinful life and born again into your new Christian life and walk with the Lord. In being obedient to the Lord, Christians demonstrate this by being baptized, which literally means being fully submerged in water. When you are submerged that symbolizes the death and burial of your old life and the death and burial of Jesus Christ, and when you are brought out of the water it symbolizes your birth into your new life, and the Resurrection of Jesus Christ

Hope that helped some

[Speedm0(\)key]

thats very convenient

[AtifSajid]

Wow just wow. You have quite possibly the most horrbily depressing view on what is life is that I've ever heard. What I'm going to say is going to be offensive I'm sure, but I honestly don't mean it that way.

How you ever just sat down and thought about much sense what you are saying makes? Frankly to me you sound more like a person is who jealous of other people's lives and are trying to justify where you are at this point in yours. Instead of taking responbility for your choices and where they get you in life, you hide yourself in veils of divine destiny.

You know why some people have more money than others? Because they are smarter, work harder, are more determined, or occasionally are just in the right place at the right time. There is no magically intervention at work, there is no crazy secret to success.

Let me tell you a story. I have a friend who is a born again Christian. He's a pretty successful guy, well educated, good job, he's a little strange but still a good guy. He has not had a girlfriend in the 4+ years I've known him. Why you ask? Well because in his words God will provide one for him when he's ready. That doesn't mean he doesn't go out and meet girls and what-not but what it does is make him complacent. Instead of asking himself what he can do to make girls like him more, he thinks since he is a good Christian eventually God will destine him to meet the right woman.

Here's my point, when you write things off to God you become lax in what really counts, yourself. I cannot prove to you that God does or does not exist nor what hand he has in your life. I can however prove to you that the amount of work you put into yourself directly effects your life and how far you get in it. Whenever something goes wrong or bad in my life I ask myself what I could have done differently. Even when it's not my fault I could almost always have prevented it or mitigated it's effects. The net result is that I grow as a person every time and I'm better than I was before. I don't know what will happen to me after I die, but I do know that when I reach that point I will have tried my damndest (irony noted) to die the best person I can be, God or not.

No man you understood it wrong. I wasnt saying that I have a problem with rich people. or anything like that. What I was saying was some people get rich and they think it was all because of themself they got rich, which is true, but God gives you the "allowance" to become rich. In a way he gives it to you to see if you will follow his steps even when you make it there.

I'm not jealous in any way of rich people..you can ask some people on here, I got my own loot..lol..but I worded it wrong.

[AWD OWNZ U]

No man you understood it wrong. I wasnt saying that I have a problem with rich people. or anything like that. What I was saying was some people get rich and they think it was all because of themself they got rich, which is true, but God gives you the "allowance" to become rich. In a way he gives it to you to see if you will follow his steps even when you make it there.

I'm not jealous in any way of rich people..you can ask some people on here, I got my own loot..lol..but I worded it wrong.

Well shit I typed all that for nothing, lol. Well all my points still stand, maybe just not directed at you. I mean I don't agree with you, but I can reasonably see why you arrived at your view now.

[SLOWR/T]

I am a "born again" Christian.

In order to be considered a Christian and go to heaven you must be "born again" which means you figuratively die to your old sinful life and born again into your new Christian life and walk with the Lord. In being obedient to the Lord, Christians demonstrate this by being baptized, which literally means being fully submerged in water. When you are submerged that symbolizes the death and burial of your old life and the death and burial of Jesus Christ, and when you are brought out of the water it symbolizes your birth into your new life, and the Resurrection of Jesus Christ

Hope that helped some

well im christian and i have never been baptized or as you call it "born again". hell i dont even go to "church". i believe in God and Jesus thats it.

[puregroove]

I havent met one successful person that said god did everything for them, usually if they believe in god their train of thought is that god gave them the will to go out and accomplish everything they have.

People have to do their own leg work. No one's going to do it for them. If you believe in God:

faith + your own leg work = your definition of success

[Julio]

This thread is funny.

I try not to bother God. I let him sucker all you who believe in all these hiberish bs.

Im with Neonracer on this one.

[R1craze]

Ant farm? Wasnt that off of a jim carry movie like bruce almighty?

[b18hb]

yes. good to see we have some original thinkers on here... lol

i don't agree with atif... my interpretation of the christian faith is that you have free will. you choose your path... choose to be lazy, educated, drink, sleep around, work, etc. that's all on you.

god, like your parents, has a set of guidelines he expects you to follow. as you grow, you can choose to adhere to those guidelines, or you can choose to disregard them. in either situation, there are consequences. god will embrace you if you live your life according to his testament, and he will punish you if you choose to disregard it.

it is interesting to note that in order to follow those guidelines, you must utilize the skills that are given to you, essentially suggesting that you must contribute to society in some way, shape, or form, and earn your own living. it is also written that god will look over you if you follow his will. there's a tie there.

its also humorous to see how you might not be as comfortable in life if you do not take advantage of your skills and make your way (i.e. choose laziness or dependency).

[1zach4]

well im christian and i have never been baptized or as you call it "born again". hell i dont even go to "church". i believe in God and Jesus thats it.

I never said you "have to" be baptized, it is simply following God's will to be baptized once you are saved. If you are a Christian you are "born again" because that happens the second you admit you are a sinner and accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior.

A lot of Christians don't go to church, and live a life full of sin...I lived that way for a period, except I still went to church I guess to keep up my image to all of my friends at church. It does not mean you are not a Christian, but it is pretty much the main reason people have such a horrible view of Christianity.