Quote Originally Posted by quickdodge® View Post
There are "eye witness" reports that Santa Claus exists, too. There are "eye witness" reports that Bigfoot exists. So what. Several people have wrote about Santa Claus. Seems verifiable enough to me, yes?



It has nothing to do with desiring to be right. It has to do with there is no factual evidence of any existence of God. A book? Right. There you go.



Again, all this documented in the same book that gave us a man parting an actual sea. The same book that had a man build a boat big enough for a pair of every animal at the time to be saved in from a 40 day/night flood. The same book that had a man swallowed whole by a whale. I can see where all this is 100% believable.



Repeat after me....there are no such things as grave robbers. There are no such thi......




You don't have children, do you? You're completely wrong on this.



That's because all the God-people on here keep making their cases on each. People thanking God for what he has done for them is referring to actions supplied by God. People saying He exists is referring to the existence. Not sure what your "point" is.

The actual point is this: There is no factual or tangible evidence that God has placed anyone in the position that they are currently in or have ever been in. Not one. There is ONE BIG piece of evidence that shows how you (general you) have placed yourself in the position that you are in or have ever been in.

Later, QD.
I do believe in God, and I do not believe simply because the Bible says so. I believe because I realize that our existence can only function by way of accepting some things as transcendent. Now maybe for some people the scientific approach will provide answers but the truth is it doesn't, and the Bible doesn't give all the answers to life. That said, I have just read how you didn't really make any real comments to support your disbelief. Am I to take that as you are saying that you don't believe because you "just don't believe".

We can play the rhetoric game over and over (which is why I stopped coming to this forum for so long), but the truth is that gets us nowhere. There are obviously some things that you have to apply general logic to in order for them to make sense. In your statements you choose to throw the logic out. Santa Claus (the big red suit) is historically known as a fictional character and in no way equates to Jesus. The big foot thing is something else entirely, even though Jesus was definitely a real person, but my point is, if you cannot except eye witness testimony, because according to your statements you make it seem unreliable, you cannot accept written testimony, because that somehow presupposes God's existence and that is against your stance, then how exactly do you make up your mind about anything. Where do you gather the ability to use logical reasoning to determine your answer because you have not evaluated the evidence, you threw it out before it was presented.

Do you base it off of yourself? That is impossible because all that you are is a product of your upbringing so you have been influenced by the outside as much as anyone else (and that includes us "God-people"). So tell me. Since you say there is no God? Is this something you feel inside. What is your tangible reasoning to a seemingly intangible question.

so let me see...
Scientists...they are as much a part of eyewitnesses and the people who see Santa Claus,
historical documentation is a much a part of inadmissible literature as the words written in the bible....

So the problem is that if you really want to have the conversation on a rational level (just as in court where things are argued rationally on a daily basis) the validity of my arguments must be tested thoroughly, but the argument that you make is sufficient in throwing out ALL evidence. so that leaves us in a courtroom pointing fingers at one another, and that is how illogical people make decisions....I would rather error on the side of logical inquiry that ignorant perception.