Quote Originally Posted by BABY J View Post
Are you arguing my view that there is no evidence of this?

I said what I had to say about Jesus existing. No more important than the "heros" we have today - you kno, like Evil Kneivel. LOL. The fact that Jesus proclaimed to be the Son of God means nothing - he is one in a long line of people to claim such - and not ONE of the people who have claimed such has been seen again (verified) after they die on this rock. What happens on Earth is what happens IRL (LOL)... this is not Avatar or the Matrix - you die here you're dead - FOR REAL. Make this life the best that you can.

Look around - there are million od dadless kids around where the dad doesn't/didn't give a fuck about them. Why blame them... "God" is the creator of life remember?? So it's his job to care for kids that are created - not "their dad". What say you to that?

God has done NOTHING for me that a father would/should do for his kids - nor has he done anything for you.

That is not necessarily the case. There are writings of eye witness accounts of Jesus being seen alive after his death. Paul wrote that there were some 500 or so people who saw Christ. Do you not think that this would have been verifiable as a claim in the early first century?

Now of course you could ignore that, but there are also other things such as the explosion in growth that happened after his death. and the actions of the disciples after his death versus after he was said to have risen.

There is a place of where I think when we look at what is out there we want to dismiss this stuff because of our desire to either be right or deny what is there, but eye witnesses in modern court cases often are the ones with the most weight. You get 25 people to testify to seeing something happen, then the jury will respond, let alone hundreds, but this has all been said. You can continue to ignore it.

But i ask this....

Why would the followers of Christ present such a powerful movement after Christ was dead unless he rose again? Christ claimed that he would, when he died they scattered in fear of what would happen, because they expected something different. When they saw him again, they were made more bold than ever before. Why would they have continued on, even to death, had they not been fully convinced that the Christ they followed did indeed rise from the dead as he said he would.

Why would so many people change their minds about Christ in the early first century, in that same region? Had his resurrection not been witnessed we can reasonably conclude from looking at other (cult) leaders in history, that his movement would have died, simply because the movement was based on the principles of the resurrection and his God hood.

If the resurrection did not occur, what are some reasonable explanations for the missing body of Christ? The Jews would have quickly produced evidence of this as soon as people spoke of Christ walking around after his death. They did not and could not. We could have expected that there would have been some sort of evidence from one of the hundreds of followers of Christ, who would have said, "no, this is not the case and christ was not seen". And he was said to have been around for 40 days which would have allowed ample opportunity for solidifying the claims.


About the dad thing, that is an emotional appeal not a logical one. First off, your children (if i recall you do have a wife and at least one kid) will never know how much you as their father have done for them. They will never know or understand the sacrifices you have made to discipline, provide for, or love them, yet they could still present the exact same statements as you. "You have done nothing for me that a father should/would do for their kid" Does that mean that you have not done your job or does that mean that something is wrong with your kids? No, it simply means that sometimes we cannot fully understand the intentions, actions, and motives of others.

My point on this is that you seem to be making arguments based on the actions of God vs the existence of God. As you have simply stated already, there are thousands of children who are fatherless, yet, not a single one of them is truly fatherless because they all come from somewhere. The fact that their fathers are dead or not acting in a certain way in their lives does not remove the fact that their fathers EXIST and ARE their fathers.

So my point is how does the actions and our understanding of why God does anything weigh in a conversation about whether or not God exists...It doesn't. Now if you want to argue the character of God, that is a different story, but existence does not mean that he is good to you or not. It simple means that he is.