Marijauna Myth's

[Ran]

Anal sex and fellatio are illegal here in GA. Have you ever had your dick sucked?

Spitting in public is illegal in Florida, what's your point? Sorry, but I feel about as much compassion for potheads as I do for alchoholics. Which is none.

Have fun dodging the police.

[Tracy]

Spitting in public is illegal in Florida, what's your point? Sorry, but I feel about as much compassion for potheads as I do for alchoholics. Which is none.

Have fun dodging the police.

I don't have to worry about dodging the police I also didn't ask you about compassion for anyone. I asked if you ever had your dick sucked

[Ran]

I don't have to worry about dodging the police I also didn't ask you about compassion for anyone. I asked if you ever had your dick sucked

Sure, and I've no problems with it. Just as some idiotic dope smoker has no problems with smoking himself stupid. We're all entitled to opinions and outlooks and that's mine.

My point is that there a lot of things that are illegal and people still do them, so saying it is illegal is the weakest argument you could have chosen

It's not an argument. It's a statement. Report me for having my d*ck sucked and report Dopey Joe for smoking pot to the same cop. Go see who he arrests.

[Tracy]

Sure, and I've no problems with it. Just as some idiotic dope smoker has no problems with smoking himself stupid. We're all entitled to opinions and outlooks and that's mine.

I agree on opinions.

Hopefully getting your dick sucked doesn't make you stupid. I mean that's why it's illegal, right? I guess alcohol doesn't make you stupid and that's why it's NOT illegal.

We learned about the DuPont conspiracy in ethics class or some class. I am old, I forgot. It was pretty interesting and that's why I am posting on the subject. I'll stop though. I forget that no one here likes to actually have intelligent discussion. It's more fun to post about age of consent and what I had for dinner last night

[Ran]

Hopefully getting your dick sucked doesn't make you stupid. I mean that's why it's illegal, right? I guess alcohol doesn't make you stupid and that's why it's NOT illegal.

I don't know the reasons why fellacio is illegal nor do I care. I do, however, feel that both cigarettes and alchohol should have heavier laws placed upon them.

We learned about the DuPont conspiracy in ethics class or some class. I am old, I forgot. It was pretty interesting and that's why I am posting on the subject. I'll stop though. I forget that no one here likes to actually have intelligent discussion. It's more fun to post about age of consent and what I had for dinner last night

I've read a little on the DuPont thing and I've nothing against the hemp plant being used a economical resource. I just find it funny how about every month it's some other pophead crying about his precious drug being illegal.

[Tracy]

I don't know the reasons why fellacio is illegal nor do I care. I do, however, feel that both cigarettes and alchohol should have heavier laws placed upon them.

Then why bring up the illegal aspect if you don't care why or why things are not illegal. That's all I'm saying. It's a weak point, statement or argument. That's all.

I've read a little on the DuPont thing and I've nothing against the hemp plant being used a economical resource. I just find it funny how about every month it's some other pophead crying about his precious drug being illegal.

And that's what I posted and why I posted it. It's not illegal because it makes you stupid, although it may or may not. I'm no doctor so I can't say. It's illegal because of large corporation conspiracy...so they say. The gov't can trick you into thinking lots of things that aren't true.


Who cried about anything in this thread? I guess I missed it

[Ran]

Then why bring up the illegal aspect if you don't care why or why things are not illegal. That's all I'm saying. It's a weak point, statement or argument. That's all.

Um...it's illegal. That's the way it is and that's why I said it.

Who cried about anything in this thread? I guess I missed it

The OP. These threads are all the same no matter how they're worded. Pot should be legal for this, legalize mary jane for that, ect... These guys don't give two sh*ts about it's economical uses.

[thecrazyone]

Ran,

I don't know the reasons why fellacio is illegal nor do I care. I do, however, feel that both cigarettes and alchohol should have heavier laws placed upon them.

I've read a little on the DuPont thing and I've nothing against the hemp plant being used a economical resource. I just find it funny how about every month it's some other pophead crying about his precious drug being illegal.

Quotes like these make me know your not a dummy, and have some input on this subject. Quotes like "smoking himself stupid" not so much.

and as far a a pothead crying about his precious drug, the only thing precious to me in this world is my family and friends. A plant that kills no one and never has is why i post these posts. I think in just about every thread i have started that states real facts, you have come in and bashed with a quick little one liner, I am not a pothead and i am not a criminal, i am an American that would like to use his freedom and pursuit of happiness, as far as my crying,lol, i want to let people like you know the facts.

FOR ANYONE INTERESTED....

A young man at UGA started the first chapter of Georgia NORML and already gave a proposition to city hall to have 7grams or less as a 100$ fine in Athens-Clarke county!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F18BfPziBo

EDIT: Ran is that a pothead crying about this problems?

No! it's a calm, collective and confident young man, taking responsible action toward his happiness.

[thecrazyone]

I allso have not seen you post 1 SOLID Fact for your argument.

If you would like to question any of mine feel free...

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[Ran]

i want to let people like you know the facts.

That's all find and dandy, though I would have preferred there to be one organized thread for this type of discussion. I appreciate the info and I actually read your entire post. Most of it is the traditional spill but I'm willing to accept what is and what isn't. However, with that similar mindset I am willing to accept that marijuana is still illegal and will be for some time now. I accept and even support that for personal reasons. The law is the law and I, like most other people, abide by it if it seems reasonable and judge by the level of enforcement as well as severity of repercussions. As Tracy stated earlier, fellatio may be technically illegal in Georgia but the enforcement and severity of punishment is so relatively nill that it might as well not be a law at all. I'm sure that a lot of marijuana users feel the same way about smoking pot but, since it is a conflict of opinions, I find it difficult to agree. Feel free to label it as biased, ignorant, opinionated, double-standard, or what-not if you need to.

I also regret to inform you that, while your thread is informative in it's content, it tends to get watered down in my eyes due to consistent idiocy posted by other that express similar views with a less educated approach. Not to discredit your post in anyway, just calling it how I see it. I'll gladly retract my intial remark since it was tasteless, unprovoked, and unwarranted.

EDIT: Thanks for citing your sources.

[quickdodge®]

Spitting in public is illegal in Florida, what's your point? Sorry, but I feel about as much compassion for potheads as I do for alchoholics. Which is none.

Have fun dodging the police.

I actually repped you. Positively. Later, QD.

[thecrazyone]

I actually repped you. Positively. Later, QD.

still going with opinions over facts huh?

[quickdodge®]

still going with opinions over facts huh?

Still haven't read my posts on this subject yet, huh? Later, QD.