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    If you are to sheltered or ignorant to accept that its 2008 and the research has been done and all the lies that were spewed to you and you spewed to others...well....lies what do you have to say now?

    Health Risk Myths and Realities

    Marijuana Overdose

    No evidence exists that anyone has ever died of a marijuana overdose. Tests performed on mice have shown that the ratio of cannabinoids (the chemicals in marijuana that make you stoned) necessary for overdose to the amount necessary for intoxication is 40,000:1. For comparison's sake, that ratio for alcohol is generally between 4:1 and 10:1. Alcohol overdoses kill about 5,000 yearly but marijuana overdoses kill no one as far as anyone can tell.

    Brain Damage

    Marijuana is psychoactive because it stimulates certain brain receptors, but it does not produce toxins that kill them (like alcohol), and it does not wear them out as other drugs may. There is no evidence that marijuana use is a cause of brain damage. Studies by Dr. Robert Heath claimed the contrary in experiments on monkeys, but Heath's work has been sharply criticized by the Institute of Medicine and the National Academy of Sciences on three primary counts:

    its insufficient sample size (only four monkeys),
    its failure to control experimental bias, and its misidentification of normal monkey brain structure as "damaged".

    A far superior experiment by the National Center for Toxicological Research (NCTR) involving 64 rhesus monkeys that were exposed to daily or weekly doses of marijuana smoke for a year found no evidence of structural or neurochemical changes in the brains of rhesus monkeys. Studies performed on actual human populations will confirm these results, even for chronic marijuana users (up to 18 joints per day) after many years of use. In fact, following the publication of two 1977 JAMA studies, the American Medical Association (AMA) officially announced its support for the decriminalization of marijuana.

    Contrary to a 1987 television commercial sponsored by the Partnership for a Drug-Free America (PDFA), marijuana does not "flatten" brain waves either. In the commercial, a normal human brain wave was compared to what was supposedly the (much flatter) brain wave of a 14-year-old high on marijuana. It was actually the brain wave of a coma patient. PDFA lied about the data, and had to pull the commercial off of the air when researchers complained to the television networks.

    In reality, marijuana has the effect of slightly increasing alpha-wave activity. Alpha waves are generally associated with meditative and relaxed states which are, in turn, often associated with human creativity.

    Heart Problems

    It is accepted in medical circles today that marijuana use causes no evident long-term cardiovascular problems for normal persons. However, marijuana-smoking does cause changes in the heart and body's circulation characteristic of stress, which may complicate preexisting cardiovascular problems like hypertension, cerebrovascular disease, and coronary atherosclerosis. Marijuana's effects upon blood pressure are complex and inconsistent.

    Hormones

    Chronic marijuana use has not been found to alter testosterone or other sex hormone levels, despite the conclusions of Dr. R.C. Kolodony's 1974 study. Seven similar studies have been performed since then, the most recent by a Dr. Robert Block at the University of Iowa, and none have reproduced Kolodony's results. In contrast, heavy alcohol use is known to lower these same testosterone levels.

    Reproductive Damage

    No trustworthy study has ever shown that marijuana use damages the reproductive system, or causes chromosome breakage. Dr. Gabriel Nahas reached the opposite conclusion in his experiments performed in the early 1980s, but did so in part using the in vitro (i.e., in test tubes and petrii dishes) cells of rhesus monkeys. His rather unjustified claim that these changes would also occur in human bodies in vivo (in the body) was criticized by his colleagues and, in 1983, he renounced his own results.

    Studies of actual human populations have failed to demonstrate that marijuana adversely affects the reproductive system. Wu et al. found in 1988 a correlation between marijuana use and low sperm counts in human males. But this is misleading because (1) a decrease in sperm count has not been shown to have a negative effect on fertility, and (2) the sperm count returned to normal levels after marijuana use had ceased.

    Claims that marijuana use may impair hormone production, menstrual cycles, or fertility in females are both unproven and unfounded.

    The Immune System

    Studies in which lab rats were injected with extremely large quantities of THC have found that marijuana (in such unrealistically huge quantities) does have an "immunosuppressive effect" in those lab rats, in that it temporarily shuts off certain cells in the liver called lymphocytes and macrophages. These macrophages are useful in fighting off bacterial, not viral, infections. But this is only for the duration of intoxication. There also exists some evidence that marijuana metabolites stay in the lungs for up to seven months after smoking has ceased, possibly affecting the immune system of the lungs (but not by turning the cells off). This said, doctors and researchers are still not sure that the immune system is actually negatively affected in realistic situations since there are no numbers to support the idea. In fact, three studies showed that THC may have actually stimulated the immune system in the people studied.

    Birth Defects

    Unlike alcohol, cocaine, and tobacco, studies show that there exists no evident link between prenatal use of marijuana and birth defects or fetal alcohol syndrome in humans. In fact, marijuana use during the third trimester has been found to have a positive impact on birthweight. It is known that Delta-9-THC does enter the placenta, so mothers are advised against consuming large quantities.

    Cancer

    Smoking marijuana has the potential to cause both bronchitis and cancer of the lungs, throat, and neck, but this is generally no different than inhaling any other burnt carbon-containing matter since they all increase the number of lesions (and therefore possible infections) in your airways. There are a couple of studies that claim on the basis of carcinogens that smoking marijuana is worse for your body than smoking a cigarette, but these are rather simplified. There are actually some very convincing reasons to believe that smoking cigarettes is relatively more dangerous to the body than smoking marijuana on more than one count: (1) It is accepted by a growing number of scientists today that all American cigarettes contain significant levels of polonium-210, the same sort of radiation given off by the plutonium of atom bombs (ionizing alpha radiation). It just so happens that the tobacco plant's roots and leaves are especially good at absorbing radioactive elements from uranium-containing phosphate fertilizers that are required by U.S. law, and from naturally occurring radiation in the soil, air, and water. It is the opinion of C. Everette Koop that this radioactivity, not tar, accounts for at least 90% of all smoking-related lung cancer. Other estimates that have been made are, about 50% according to Dr. Joseph R. DiFranza of the Univ. of Mass. Medical Center and according to Dr. Edward Martell, a radiochemist with the National Center for Atmospheric Research, 95%. Dr. R.T. Ravenholt, former director of World Health Surveys at the Centers for Disease Control, agrees with the risk, asserting that "Americans are exposed to far more radiation from tobacco smoke than from any other source". Supporting the radioactivity notion is the finding that (a) Relatively high levels of polonium-210 have been found in both cigarette smoke and the lungs of both smokers and nonsmokers alike [60]; (b) Smokers of low-tar-and-nicotine cigarettes die of lung cancer just as much as smokers of other cigarettes; and also, (c) Even the most potent carcinogen that has been found in cigarettes, benzopyrene, is only present in quantities sufficient to account for about 1% of the lung cancer cases that occur from smoking.


    Why don't you know any of this?

    Because the tobacco industry is suppressing the information. (2) Tobacco smoke is theorized to work as a kind of "magnet" for airborne radioactive particles such as radon, causing them to deposit in your lungs instead of on walls, rugs, or draperies. (3) Tobacco, unlike marijuana, contains nicotine, which may harden arteries and cause many of the cases of heart disease associated with tobacco use. It also breaks down into cancer-promoting chemicals called N Nitrosamines when burned, and perhaps even when it is inside the body. (4) THC is a bronchial dilator, which means it works like a cough drop by opening up your lungs and therefore aiding in the clearance of smoke and dirt. Nicotine has the exact opposite effect. (5) Unlike the chemicals in marijuana, nicotine has a paralyzing effect on the tiny hairs along the body's air passages. These hairs normally work to keep foreign matter out of the lungs. This means that carcinogenic tar from cigarette smoke is relatively much harder to purge from your lungs than is that from marijuana. And finally, (6) Marijuana users smoke significantly less than cigarette smokers do because of both marijuana's psychoactive properties (this is called "auto-titration") and nicotine's high potential for physical addiction. It is important to note that the NCTR study found no signs of lung cancer in its autopsied rhesus monkeys who had smoked marijuana for one year.

    Smoking cigarettes and smoking marijuana negatively affect different areas of the body, and therefore cause different problems. But everything considered, marijuana-only smokers who average 3 - 4 joints per day show similar symptoms to cigarette smokers who polish off 20 in a day. Although one well-done study tells us that frequent marijuana smokers have a 19% greater risk of respiratory diseases than people who smoke nothing at all [66], it seems that neck and throat cancers are much more likely to result than lung cancer or emphysema. This is because, unlike tobacco, marijuana does not penetrate deeply into the lung. In order to minimize the risk of acquiring neck or throat cancer from marijuana smoke, it is best to (1) avoid as much as possible cigarette-smoking and heavy drinking while smoking marijuana, and (2) eat plenty of vegetables (such as carrots, broccoli, squash, and sprouts) or vitamin supplements of beta carotene, vitamins A, C and E, and selenium. These are believed to impede cancer's progress.

    In addition, there are actually things that can be done to reduce and even entirely eliminate the bodily harm that may potentially result from smoking marijuana. This is possible because all of the principle psychoactive ingredients of marijuana (THC and the cannabinoids) are neither mutagenic (gene-mutating) nor carcinogenic (cancer-causing).

    Legalizing marijuana would make (better) water bongs and marijuana foods, drinks, and pills both less expensive and more accessible. Smoking marijuana through a water-filled bong will cool the smoke and there is reason to believe that it will filter some of the carcinogens. Eating or drinking marijuana effectively eliminates all negative effects. In addition, it is conceivable that an aerosol contraption or vaporizer, commonly called a tilt pipe, could easily be constructed that would surpass joints in efficiency, match them in onset and control of effects, and yet would be effectively harmless to the body.

    Fat Cells

    One of the more ridiculous myths being circulated is that marijuana stays in your fat cells and can keep you high for months. Even though they may have similar names, the psychoactive THC (Delta-9-THC) is different from the metabolites (for instance, 11-OH-THC and 11-nor) that your body breaks it down into in that the latter will not get you stoned. It is the metabolites that stay in your fatty cells and show up on drug tests. Your body is depleted of Delta-9-THC only hours after ingestion.


    Driving

    Driving in any inebriated state is adding complication to what already amounts to a constant life-threatening situation. That said, the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA) summarized all of its studies by saying that there was "no indication that marijuana by itself was a cause of fatal accidents," and that alcohol was by far the "dominant problem" in drug-related accidents. The Victorian Institute of Forensic Pathology and Monash University's Department of Forensic Medicine in Melbourne, Australia have found that drivers who use cannabis are actually less likely to cause fatal accidents than drug-free drivers, and are no more likely than other drivers to be killed or seriously injured in road accidents. One experiment tested marijuana-intoxicated drivers on both a closed course and on a crowded city street. It found that the elements of driving most affected were concentration and judgment. An experiment involving a driving simulator that tested actual driving ability according to how many mistakes are incurred by sober, drunk, and high subjects found that marijuana, unlike alcohol, does not significantly affect driving ability. It was found that these results hold true for even higher doses (within reason) and inexperienced marijuana users. In fact, the only significant difference reported by the stoned subjects was an altered perception of time, which effectively made them drive relatively slower. A similar study found that marijuana additionally impairs the driver's ability to attend to peripheral stimuli. One theory attempting to explain these surprising findings states that marijuana users, in instances requiring seriousness, are in fact able to willingly "bring themselves down," such that they are no longer high. Studies that in the past have shown that marjuana-intoxicated drivers cause significantly more accidents than sober drivers are typically unreliable on one or more of the following counts: (1) They use drug tests to determine whether or not a person is high, and drug tests in use only indicate use over the past 30 days; (2) Some studies have not corrected for alcohol use, or do not provide a control group; and (3) In many studies there were relatively more stoned drivers killed, but it was not their fault. And when the police "culpability scores" were tallied and factored in, marijuana was generally not to blame for the accidents. It must be emphasized however that one study shows that daily marijuana smokers tend to have a 30% higher risk of injuries than non-users [66]. In fact, accidents resulting from intoxication are thought to be "the number one hazard of marijuana use".

    The Gateway Effect

    Marijuana use has not been found to act as a gateway drug to the use of harder drugs. Studies show that when the Dutch partially legalized marijuana in the 70's, heroin and cocaine use substantially declined, despite a slight increase in marijuana use. If the stepping stone theory were true, use should have gone up rather than down. In reality, it appears that marijuana use tends to substitute for the use of relatively more dangerous hard drugs like cocaine and heroin, rather than lead to their use. Thus, oftentimes strict marijuana laws themselves are the most significant factor involved in moving on to harder drugs like cocaine. Such is the case in Nevada and Arizona, the states toughest on marijuana use. A recent study by Columbia University's Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse attempts to show, like many past studies have, that marijuana users are more likely to use heroin or cocaine. But what the study actually does show is that a large number of heroin or cocaine users have used marijuana, not the reverse. What is not mentioned is that just as many or even more had probably also drank alcohol, smoked cigarettes, had sex, or eaten sandwiches prior to their hard drug use. In fact, a National High School survey tells us that in 1990, 40.7% of all high school students had tried marijuana or hashish at least once, whereas only 9.4% and 1.3% had ever used cocaine and heroin, respectively. Thus, at maximum, only 23% of marijuana users go on to use cocaine, and only 3% go on to use heroin. Thus, the stepping stone theory fails on even empirical grounds.

    Marijuana and Crime

    DARE literature would have you believe that there exists a strong correlation between marijuana use and juvenile and young adult crime. And a recent study attempts to present a link between marijuana use and violence by stating that 2/3 of all students who admit to taking a gun to school at least once had smoked marijuana. In fact, DEA head Thomas Constantine recently stated in a Washington Times interview that "Many times people talk about the nonviolent drug offender. That is a rare species. There is not some sterile drug type not involved in violence who is contributing some good to the community; that is ridiculous. They are contributing nothing but evil." But these allegations are unsupported by research because test results show that changes in personality resulting from marijuana use, even though they are not relatively significant, include among other things a lessening of aggressive trends. And large population studies such as the La Guardia report have found that, if anything, marijuana use inhibits antisocial activity such as violence. The drug-inspired violence myth, including a comprehensive history of its conception, is discussed at great length in Lester Grinspoon's book, where it is shown to be based largely on a distorted Persian story that is hundreds of years old. The problem inherent in drawing conclusions based on correlations such as the 2/3 statistic above is that causality cannot be inferred from correlation. In other words, there is no way of determining whether marijuana use contributed in some way to the existence of certain traits of marijuana users, i.e. bringing a gun to school, or, as seems entirely more likely, people with such traits are drawn to marijuana use. One study found that chronic marijuana users had significantly higher WAIS IQ scores (113.08) than both moderate users (102.15) and nonusers (103.26). It is simply impossible to make sense of such statistics as presented.
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    ive always believed in maryjane

    thats the only girl ill let the homies hit :boobies:

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    Quote Originally Posted by j0natell0
    ive always believed in maryjane

    thats the only girl ill let the homies hit :boobies:
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    yes weed should be legal, it isn't harmful, it just causes people to be lazy and overeat, and smell bad.

    i hate those anti weed ad's 99% of them make no valid points.

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    girl i love you mary jane what would i do...fall without the herb.
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    i hope one day marijuana will become legal.. did anyone watch that special on Nat. Geo last night about marijuana? it was quite interesting and got damn there was soooo much weed!! i <3 my "bud"dy

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    I quit smoking. Mainly for legal/health/job issues

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    Nobody cares, potheads are dumb, and it's still illegal. Boo hoo.

    Moving on...

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    Marajuana was banned because of DuPont the largest textile company of the time and Cannibus had the potential to encroach on their money. They used the name Marijuana because it was a Mexican word for the plant, which of course, made it a bad thing.

    http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabi...ulture11.shtml

    The debate over the legalization of Cannabis Sativa, more commonly known as marijuana, has been one of the most heated controversies ever to occur in the Inited States. Its use as a medicine has existed for thousands of years in many countries world wide and "can be documented as far back as 2700 BC in ancient Chinese writings." When someone says bhanga, ganja, kinnub, cannabis, bung, chu ts-ao, asa, dope, grass, rasta, or weed, they are talking about the same subject: marijuana. Marijuana should be legalized because the government could earn money from taxes on its sale, its value to the medical world outweighs its abuse potential, and because of its importance to the paper and clothing industries. This action should be taken despite efforts made by groups which say marijuana is a harmful drug which will increase crime rates and lead users to other more dangerous substances.

    The actual story behind the legislature passed against marijuana is quite surprising. According to Jack Herer, author of The Emperor Wears No Clothes and an expert on the "hemp conspiracy," the acts bringing about the demise of hemp were part of a large conspiracy involving DuPont, Harry J. Anslinger, commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, and many other influential industrial leaders such as William Randolph Hearst and Andrew Mellon. Herer notes that the Marijuana Tax Act, which passed in 1937, coincidentally occurred just as the decoricator machine was invented. With this invention, hemp would have been able to take over competing industries almost instantaneously. According to Popular Mechanics, "10,000 acres devoted to hemp will produce as much paper as 40,000 acres of average [forest] pulp land." William Hearst owned enormous timber acreage, land best suited for conventional pulp, so his interest in preventing the growth of hemp can be easily explained. Competition from hemp would have easily driven the Hearst paper-manufacturing company out of business and significantly lowered the value of his land. Herer even suggests popularizing the term "marijuana" was a strategy Hearst used in order to create fear in the American public. "The first step in creating hysteria was to introduce the element of fear of the unknown by using a word that no one had ever heard of before... 'marijuana'" (ibid).

    DuPont's involvment in the anti-hemp campaign can also be explained with great ease. At this time, DuPont was patenting a new sulfuric acid process for producing wood-pulp paper. "According to the company's own records, wood-pulp products ultimately accounted for more than 80% of all DuPont's railroad car loadings for the next 50 years" (ibid). Indeed it should be noted that "two years before the prohibitive hemp tax in 1937, DuPont developed a new synthetic fiber, nylon, which was an ideal substitute for hemp rope" (Hartsell). The year after the tax was passed DuPont came out with rayon, which would have been unable to compete with the strength of hemp fiber or its economical process of manufacturing. "DuPont's point man was none other than Harry Anslinger...who was appointed to the FBN by Treasury Secretary Andrew MEllon, who was also chairman of the Mellon Bank, DuPont's chief financial backer. Anslinger's relationship to Mellon wasn't just political, he was also married to Mellon's niece" (Hartsell). It doesn't take much to draw a connection between DuPont, Anslinger, and Mellon, and it's obvious that all of these groups, including Hearst, had strong motivation to prevent the growth of the hemp industry.

    The reasoning behind DuPont, Anslinger, and Hearst was not for any moral or health related issues. They fought to prevent the growth of this new industry so they wouldn't go bankrupt. In fact, the American Medical Association tried to argue for the medical benefits of hemp. Marijuana is actually less dangerous than alcohol, cigarettes, and even most over-the-counter medicines or prescriptions. According to Francis J. Young, the DEA's administrative judge, "nearly all medicines have toxicm, potentially letal affects, but marijuana is not such a substance...Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within a supervised routine of medical care" (DEA Docket No. 86-22, 57). It is illogical then, for marijuana to be illegal in the United States when "alcohol poisoning is a significant cause of death in this country" and "approximately 400,000 premature deaths are attributed to cigarettes annually." Dr. Roger Pertwee, SEcretary of the International Cannabis Research Society states that as a recreational drug, "Marijuana compares favourably to nicotine, alcohol, and even caffeine." Under extreme amounts of alcohol a person will experience an "inability to stand or walk without help, stupor and near unconsciousness, lack of comprehension of what is seen or heard, shock, and breathing and heartbeat may stop." Even though these effects occur only under insane amounts of alcohol consumption, (.2-.5 BAL) the fact is smoking extreme amounts of marijuana will do nothing more than put you to sleep, whereas drinking excessive amounts of alcohol will kill you.

    The most profound activist for marijuana's use as a medicine is Dr. Lester Grinspoon, author of Marihuana: The Forbidden Medicine. According to Grinspoon, "The only well-confirmed negative effect of marijuana is caused by the smoke, which contains three times more tars and five times more carbon monoxide than tobacco. But even the heaviest marijuana smokers rarely use as much as an average tobacco smoker. And, of course, many prefer to eat it." His book includes personal accounts of how prescribed marijuana alleviated epilepsy, weight loss of aids, nausea of chemotherapy, menstrual pains, and the severe effects of multiple sclerosis. The illness with the most documentation and harmony among doctors which marijuana has successfully treated is MS. Grinspoon believes for MS sufferers, "Cannabis is the drug of necessity." One patient of his, 51 year old Elizabeth MacRory, says "It has completely changed my life...It has helped with muscle spasms, allowed me to sleep properly, and helped control my bladder." Marijuana also proved to be effective in the treatment of glaucoma because its use lwoers pressure on the eye.

    "In a recent survey at a leading teaching hospital, 'over 60 per cent of medical students were found to be marijuana users.' In the same survey, only 30 per cent admitted to smoking cigarettes" (Guardian). Brian Hilliard, editor of Police Review, says "Legalizing cannabis wouldn't do any harm to anybody. We should be concentrating on the serious business of heroin and amphetamines." "In the UK in 1991, 42,209 people were convicted of marijuana charges, clogging courts and overcrowding prisons...and almost 90 per cent of drug offences invlove cannabis...The British government spends 500 million pounds a year on "overall responses to drugs" but receives no tax revenue from the estimated 1.8 billion pound illicit drug market" (Guardian). Figures like this can be seen in the United States as well. The U.S. spends billions of dollars annually in its "war on drugs." If the government were to legalize marijuana, it could reasonably place high taxes on it because people are used to buying marijuana at inflated prices created by risks of selling illegally. It could be sold at a convenient store just like a pack of cigarettes for less than someone would pay now, but still yield a high profit because of easy growing requirements.

    An entire industry could be created out of hemp based products. The oils extracted from seeds could be used for fuels and the hemp fiber, a fiber so valued for its strength that it is used to judge the quality of other fibers, could be manufactured into ropes, clothing, or paper. Most importantly, the money the government would make from taxes and the money which would be saved by not trying to prevent its use could be used for more important things, such as serious drugs or the national debt.

    The recreational use of marijuana would not stimulate crime like some would argue. The crime rate in Amsterdam is lower than many major U.S. cities. Mario Lap, a key drug policy advisor in the Netherlands national government says "We've had a realistic drug policy for 30 years in the Netherlands, and we know what works. We distinguish between soft and hard drugs, between traffickers and users. We try not to make people into criminals" (Houston Chronicle). In 1989 the LAncet report states "The Dutch have shown that there is nothing inevitable about the drugs ladder in which soft drugs lead to heard drugs. The ladder does not exist in Holland because the dealers have been separated."

    We can expect strong opposition from companies like DuPont and paper manufacturerss but the selfishness of these corporations should not prevent its use in our society like it did in the 1930's. Regardless of what these organizations will say about marijuana, the fact is it has the potential to become one of the most useful substances in the entire world. If we took action and our government legalized it today, we would immediately see benefits from this decision. People suffering from illnesses ranging from manic depression to multiple sclerosis would be able to experience relief, the government could make a fortune off of the taxes it could impose on its sale, and its implementation into the industrial world would create thousands of new jobs for the economy. Also, because of its role in paper making, the rain forests of South America could be saved from their current fate. No recorded deaths have ever occurred as a result of marijuana use, it is not physically addictive like alcohol or tobacco, and most doctors will agree it is safer to use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Nobody cares, potheads are dumb, and it's still illegal. Boo hoo.

    Moving on...
    Anal sex and fellatio are illegal here in GA. Have you ever had your dick sucked?

    Also: All sex toys are banned. Donkeys may not be kept in bathtubs. All citizens must own a rake. Selling two beers at once for the same price is not allowed. Persons under the age of 16 may not play pinball after 11:00 PM. One man may not be on another man’s back. Cussing over the telephone is against the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy
    Anal sex and fellatio are illegal here in GA. Have you ever had your dick sucked?
    Spitting in public is illegal in Florida, what's your point? Sorry, but I feel about as much compassion for potheads as I do for alchoholics. Which is none.

    Have fun dodging the police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Spitting in public is illegal in Florida, what's your point? Sorry, but I feel about as much compassion for potheads as I do for alchoholics. Which is none.

    Have fun dodging the police.
    I don't have to worry about dodging the police I also didn't ask you about compassion for anyone. I asked if you ever had your dick sucked
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    My point is that there a lot of things that are illegal and people still do them, so saying it is illegal is the weakest argument you could have chosen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy
    I don't have to worry about dodging the police I also didn't ask you about compassion for anyone. I asked if you ever had your dick sucked
    Sure, and I've no problems with it. Just as some idiotic dope smoker has no problems with smoking himself stupid. We're all entitled to opinions and outlooks and that's mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy
    My point is that there a lot of things that are illegal and people still do them, so saying it is illegal is the weakest argument you could have chosen
    It's not an argument. It's a statement. Report me for having my d*ck sucked and report Dopey Joe for smoking pot to the same cop. Go see who he arrests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Sure, and I've no problems with it. Just as some idiotic dope smoker has no problems with smoking himself stupid. We're all entitled to opinions and outlooks and that's mine.
    I agree on opinions.

    Hopefully getting your dick sucked doesn't make you stupid. I mean that's why it's illegal, right? I guess alcohol doesn't make you stupid and that's why it's NOT illegal.

    We learned about the DuPont conspiracy in ethics class or some class. I am old, I forgot. It was pretty interesting and that's why I am posting on the subject. I'll stop though. I forget that no one here likes to actually have intelligent discussion. It's more fun to post about age of consent and what I had for dinner last night
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy
    Hopefully getting your dick sucked doesn't make you stupid. I mean that's why it's illegal, right? I guess alcohol doesn't make you stupid and that's why it's NOT illegal.
    I don't know the reasons why fellacio is illegal nor do I care. I do, however, feel that both cigarettes and alchohol should have heavier laws placed upon them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy
    We learned about the DuPont conspiracy in ethics class or some class. I am old, I forgot. It was pretty interesting and that's why I am posting on the subject. I'll stop though. I forget that no one here likes to actually have intelligent discussion. It's more fun to post about age of consent and what I had for dinner last night
    I've read a little on the DuPont thing and I've nothing against the hemp plant being used a economical resource. I just find it funny how about every month it's some other pophead crying about his precious drug being illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    I don't know the reasons why fellacio is illegal nor do I care. I do, however, feel that both cigarettes and alchohol should have heavier laws placed upon them.
    Then why bring up the illegal aspect if you don't care why or why things are not illegal. That's all I'm saying. It's a weak point, statement or argument. That's all.

    I've read a little on the DuPont thing and I've nothing against the hemp plant being used a economical resource. I just find it funny how about every month it's some other pophead crying about his precious drug being illegal.
    And that's what I posted and why I posted it. It's not illegal because it makes you stupid, although it may or may not. I'm no doctor so I can't say. It's illegal because of large corporation conspiracy...so they say. The gov't can trick you into thinking lots of things that aren't true.


    Who cried about anything in this thread? I guess I missed it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy
    Then why bring up the illegal aspect if you don't care why or why things are not illegal. That's all I'm saying. It's a weak point, statement or argument. That's all.
    Um...it's illegal. That's the way it is and that's why I said it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy
    Who cried about anything in this thread? I guess I missed it
    The OP. These threads are all the same no matter how they're worded. Pot should be legal for this, legalize mary jane for that, ect... These guys don't give two sh*ts about it's economical uses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Um...it's illegal. That's the way it is and that's why I said it.
    But then you don't care why fellatio is illegal....because you have probably had your dick sucked at some point or another??? Illegal is illegal. Oh, I get it. You don't whine about fellatio being illegal, you just go ahead and get your dick sucked and hope you never get caught, so that makes it ok to do it. AND you aren't stupid, because it has been proved that getting your dick sucked doesn't make you stupid. I am really catching on now. If you whine about it, being illegal matters more then. My bad. I was way off base.

    It looks to me that all the OP said is that these are the myths and if by now you are still in the dark then you are being ignorant...not in so many words. I didn't see him whine. He simply posted "facts". Not only that, but he never mentioned smoking it. Nor did anyone else in this thread besides the one person who said he quit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy
    But then you don't care why fellatio is illegal....because you have probably had your dick sucked at some point or another??? Illegal is illegal. Oh, I get it. You don't whine about fellatio being illegal, you just go ahead and get your dick sucked and hope you never get caught, so that makes it ok to do it. AND you aren't stupid, because it has been proved that getting your dick sucked doesn't make you stupid. I am really catching on now. If you whine about it, being illegal matters more then. My bad. I was way off base.
    You haven't followed my posts at all Tracy. I realize that fellatio is illegal just as any dopehead realizes that pot is illegal. Do we do what we do inspite of that? Of course we do. But you don't see my making threads complaining about it all the time. I don't care about potheads and quite frankly I'll laugh at any given time that one of them gets arrested for it. I'd no problems if they decided to laugh at my expense if I got busted for fellatio. Turn about is fair play.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy
    It looks to me that all the OP said is that these are the myths and if by now you are still in the dark then you are being ignorant...not in so many words. I didn't see him whine. He simply posted "facts". Not only that, but he never mentioned smoking it. Nor did anyone else in this thread besides the one person who said he quit.
    He can post whatever facts, myths, or whatever he wants. The purpose behind the post is apparent. I'm well aware that cigs and alcohol are more lethal than pot. Do I care? Not really since, like I said, I think they should all have heavy laws against them. I don't support any of them actually. We don't need a new thread about this every month though.

    You've taken me posting my opinion on the subject and dragged it out into this self-righteous crusade. Relax a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    You haven't followed my posts at all Tracy. I realize that fellatio is illegal just as any dopehead realizes that pot is illegal. Do we do what we do inspite of that? Of course we do. But you don't see my making threads complaining about it all the time. I don't care about potheads and quite frankly I'll laugh at any given time that one of them gets arrested for it. I'd no problems if they decided to laugh at my expense if I got busted for fellatio. Turn about is fair play.

    He can post whatever facts, myths, or whatever he wants. The purpose behind the post is apparent. I'm well aware that cigs and alcohol are more lethal than pot. Do I care? Not really since, like I said, I think they should all have heavy laws against them. I don't support any of them actually. We don't need a new thread about this every month though.

    You've taken me posting my opinion on the subject and dragged it out into this self-righteous crusade. Relax a bit.

    Self-righteous crusade. WOW! That's deep. I'm really just bored and having a discussion/debate...so I thought. I had no idea it was this serious and this deep and so self-righteous!!!!! I guess I'll just go back to mindless posting about what I am having for lunch today. That definitely can't be construed as self-righteous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy
    Self-righteous crusade. WOW! That's deep. I'm really just bored and having a discussion/debate...so I thought. I had no idea it was this serious and this deep and so self-righteous!!!!! I guess I'll just go back to mindless posting about what I am having for lunch today. That definitely can't be construed as self-righteous.
    Perhaps my wording was a bit strong there. Your post on the DuPont conspiracy was alright, but then you started to seemingly attack my opinion. That's not a debate. Also, debating over opinions is asanine and will serve no warrant in the end. To be honest, my initial post in this thread was made in spite because I'm tired of listening to these cry babies plead their case every month. If it gets legalized then they can smoke themselves retarded for all I care. In the meantime, I'm just tired of hearing about it. They should write their congressman or something.

    P.S. - What your having for lunch only because self-righteous if you're a vegetarian protesting against meat eaters. Nice note in the WL by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Perhaps my wording was a bit strong there. Your post on the DuPont conspiracy was alright, but then you started to seemingly attack my opinion. That's not a debate. Also, debating over opinions is asanine and will serve no warrant in the end. To be honest, my initial post in this thread was made in spite because I'm tired of listening to these cry babies plead their case every month. If it gets legalized then they can smoke themselves retarded for all I care. In the meantime, I'm just tired of hearing about it. They should write their congressman or something.

    P.S. - What your having for lunch only because self-righteous if you're a vegetarian protesting against meat eaters.
    Telling me how to post is a bit self-righteous, don't ya think? I didn't attack your opinions, I just was debating the logic behind them. That IS a debate. To me an attack would take it to a personal level. I had no intentions of doing that. I also think that you are a tad smarter than most of IA. I figured you could handle it and come back with some shit to put me in my place. I was wrong. You got butt hurt. For that I am sorry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy
    Telling me how to post is a bit self-righteous, don't ya think? I didn't attack your opinions, I just was debating the logic behind them. That IS a debate. To me an attack would take it to a personal level. I had no intentions of doing that.
    I had no intention of telling you how to post, it simply seemed like you were going to a more personal level with it. If you weren't, then I apologize.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy
    I also think that you are a tad smarter than most of IA. I figured you could handle it and come back with some shit to put me in my place. I was wrong. You got butt hurt. For that I am sorry
    Butt hurt? Nah. A little aggitated maybe. To be completely honest, these kinds of threads just tend to put me in a foul mood for some reason. I back my posts with my views and, while they may be a mere personal outlook on the situation, they are what they are. I feel that pot should remain a controlled substance but that it should also be exploited for it economical purposes. I feel the same way about tobacco and alcohol. Why? Because I consider them harmful substances and deem them worthy of controlling. Anyone could say the same thing about any number of things. Television, movies, video games, you know it. With this in mind, I'm willing to accept the fact that my own views are somewhat self-righteous and I'll admit that. Take from it what you will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy
    Anal sex and fellatio are illegal here in GA. Have you ever had your dick sucked?

    BREAK, BREAK, BREAK, BREAKING THE LAW!!!! :headbang:
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    It's only illegal because it makes minorities act crazy and white women bump nasties with black dudes.

    see.
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    it's on the internet, so it's tr00f.
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    Ran,

    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    I don't know the reasons why fellacio is illegal nor do I care. I do, however, feel that both cigarettes and alchohol should have heavier laws placed upon them.

    I've read a little on the DuPont thing and I've nothing against the hemp plant being used a economical resource. I just find it funny how about every month it's some other pophead crying about his precious drug being illegal.
    Quotes like these make me know your not a dummy, and have some input on this subject. Quotes like "smoking himself stupid" not so much.

    and as far a a pothead crying about his precious drug, the only thing precious to me in this world is my family and friends. A plant that kills no one and never has is why i post these posts. I think in just about every thread i have started that states real facts, you have come in and bashed with a quick little one liner, I am not a pothead and i am not a criminal, i am an American that would like to use his freedom and pursuit of happiness, as far as my crying,lol, i want to let people like you know the facts.

    FOR ANYONE INTERESTED....

    A young man at UGA started the first chapter of Georgia NORML and already gave a proposition to city hall to have 7grams or less as a 100$ fine in Athens-Clarke county!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F18BfPziBo

    EDIT: Ran is that a pothead crying about this problems?

    No! it's a calm, collective and confident young man, taking responsible action toward his happiness.

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    I allso have not seen you post 1 SOLID Fact for your argument.

    If you would like to question any of mine feel free...

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    [46] Lyman, W.D., J.R. Sonett, C.F. Brosnan, R. Elkin, and M.B. Bornstein. "Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol A Novel Treatment for Experimental Autoimmune Encephalitis" by in Journal of Neuroimmunology, 23: 73-81. 1989.

    [47] Cabral, Guy A., Amy L. Stinnet, John Bailey, Syed F. Ali, Merle G. Paul, Andrew C. Scallet, and William Slikker, Jr. "Chronic Marijuana Smoke Alters Alveolar Macrophage Morphology and Protein Expression," 1991.

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    [69] Cozzi, Nicholas. "Effects of Water Filtration on Marijuana Smoke: A Literature Review." MAPS Newsletter IV #2 (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies, 1993). Reprints available from California NORML.

    [70] "Cannabis and Memory Loss," (editorial) British Journal of Addiction, 86:249-252 (1991).

    [71] Muskowitz, H., Hulbert, S., & McGlothlin, W.H. (1976). "Marihuana: Effects on simulated driving performance." Accident Analysis and Prevention, 8(1), p. 45 - 50.

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    Suggested Reading

    [61] Grinspoon, Lester. Marihuana Reconsidered. Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1971.

    [62] Herer, Jack. The Emperor Wears No Clothes. Van Nuys, CA: Hemp Publishing, 1990.

    [63] Hendin, Herbert. Living High: Daily Marijuana Use Among Adults. New York: Human Sciences Press, 1987.

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    [65] Dale Gieringer, Ph.D from California's NORML. "Health Tips for Marijuana Smokers," Feb. 1994 edition. To receive this very comprehensive 32-page compilation of reports, send a $5 donation to California NORML, 2215-R Market St. #278, San Francisco, CA 94114 or call (415) 563-5858 and ask for the paper by name. The packet includes detailed instructions on how to construct a vaporizer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecrazyone
    i want to let people like you know the facts.
    That's all find and dandy, though I would have preferred there to be one organized thread for this type of discussion. I appreciate the info and I actually read your entire post. Most of it is the traditional spill but I'm willing to accept what is and what isn't. However, with that similar mindset I am willing to accept that marijuana is still illegal and will be for some time now. I accept and even support that for personal reasons. The law is the law and I, like most other people, abide by it if it seems reasonable and judge by the level of enforcement as well as severity of repercussions. As Tracy stated earlier, fellatio may be technically illegal in Georgia but the enforcement and severity of punishment is so relatively nill that it might as well not be a law at all. I'm sure that a lot of marijuana users feel the same way about smoking pot but, since it is a conflict of opinions, I find it difficult to agree. Feel free to label it as biased, ignorant, opinionated, double-standard, or what-not if you need to.

    I also regret to inform you that, while your thread is informative in it's content, it tends to get watered down in my eyes due to consistent idiocy posted by other that express similar views with a less educated approach. Not to discredit your post in anyway, just calling it how I see it. I'll gladly retract my intial remark since it was tasteless, unprovoked, and unwarranted.

    EDIT: Thanks for citing your sources.

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    ^^^^^ would that be considered an OWNED moment? J/K....




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    I think mary jane is great... And if u dont think so,, maybe u should roll one up!!!

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    make it legal, but apply both smoking and drinking laws to it. cannot be smoked in public places, restaurants, businesses, schools etc etc and aren’t allowed to operate a moving vehicle while under the influence of the plant....I would have no issue with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sport1.3
    make it legal, but apply both smoking and drinking laws to it. cannot be smoked in public places, restaurants, businesses, schools etc etc and aren’t allowed to operate a moving vehicle while under the influence of the plant....I would have no issue with that.
    If, for whatever reason, it does get legalized then I would expect them to enforce these points at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by thecrazyone
    I allso have not seen you post 1 SOLID Fact for your argument.
    I never came in here to dispute your facts. I merely expressed my opinion on the subject (inefficiently at first) and reinforced it with my views on similar subjects. I can probably do some searches and come up with some scientific report on the negative effects of marijuana but, in all honesty, I simply have no desire or drive to do so. I only wish to speak on personal experience of interacting with friends and relatives that I have watched tear themselves down for this apparently "unaddictive" drug.

    Again, kudos to you for knowing your stuff.

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    WHOA WHOA WHOA!!! FLEATIO IS ILLEGAL??? is that about
    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd:
    "COREY BLADE SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU RETARD, YOU SCAMMED SOMEONE YOU HAVE NO ROOM TO TALK!"
    Quote Originally Posted by coreyblade:
    "nah bitch stfu you little yellow snot rocket ricer.
    They were rota's mother fucker!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    That's all find and dandy, though I would have preferred there to be one organized thread for this type of discussion. I appreciate the info and I actually read your entire post. Most of it is the traditional spill but I'm willing to accept what is and what isn't. However, with that similar mindset I am willing to accept that marijuana is still illegal and will be for some time now. I accept and even support that for personal reasons. The law is the law and I, like most other people, abide by it if it seems reasonable and judge by the level of enforcement as well as severity of repercussions. As Tracy stated earlier, fellatio may be technically illegal in Georgia but the enforcement and severity of punishment is so relatively nill that it might as well not be a law at all. I'm sure that a lot of marijuana users feel the same way about smoking pot but, since it is a conflict of opinions, I find it difficult to agree. Feel free to label it as biased, ignorant, opinionated, double-standard, or what-not if you need to.

    I also regret to inform you that, while your thread is informative in it's content, it tends to get watered down in my eyes due to consistent idiocy posted by other that express similar views with a less educated approach. Not to discredit your post in anyway, just calling it how I see it. I'll gladly retract my intial remark since it was tasteless, unprovoked, and unwarranted.

    EDIT: Thanks for citing your sources.
    I appreciate your input, and yes we are on very different sides of the fence, im sure there is some type of median we could both reside comfortable on. I added a video to the previous post and it is things like what that guy is doing that will resolve the age old difference in views towards legalization.

    I also accept that the law prohibits me from use, but also i am probably 1 of the 1000's of people in GA who could use medical marijuana TODAY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xlivingfor1x
    WHOA WHOA WHOA!!! FLEATIO IS ILLEGAL??? is that about
    There are a lot of strange things illegal in various states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    There are a lot of strange things illegal in various states.
    thats just wrong. what happens if i get caught
    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd:
    "COREY BLADE SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU RETARD, YOU SCAMMED SOMEONE YOU HAVE NO ROOM TO TALK!"
    Quote Originally Posted by coreyblade:
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    They were rota's mother fucker!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecrazyone
    I appreciate your input, and yes we are on very different sides of the fence, im sure there is some type of median we could both reside comfortable on.
    My only stance on the subject is that it's illegal and, again from simple personal experience, should remain so. If it were legalized and efficiently worked into society with reasonable restrictions on use (see Sport1.3's post) then I'd have no real complaints. I'm kind of weird when it comes to these things and am full of double-standards. Bare with me.

    Quote Originally Posted by xlivingfor1x
    thats just wrong. what happens if i get caught
    Most likely nothing.

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    I have no issue with ppl smoking it, until i have to smell it.
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