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    Health Risk Myths and Realities

    Marijuana Overdose

    No evidence exists that anyone has ever died of a marijuana overdose. Tests performed on mice have shown that the ratio of cannabinoids (the chemicals in marijuana that make you stoned) necessary for overdose to the amount necessary for intoxication is 40,000:1. For comparison's sake, that ratio for alcohol is generally between 4:1 and 10:1. Alcohol overdoses kill about 5,000 yearly but marijuana overdoses kill no one as far as anyone can tell.

    Brain Damage

    Marijuana is psychoactive because it stimulates certain brain receptors, but it does not produce toxins that kill them (like alcohol), and it does not wear them out as other drugs may. There is no evidence that marijuana use is a cause of brain damage. Studies by Dr. Robert Heath claimed the contrary in experiments on monkeys, but Heath's work has been sharply criticized by the Institute of Medicine and the National Academy of Sciences on three primary counts:

    its insufficient sample size (only four monkeys),
    its failure to control experimental bias, and its misidentification of normal monkey brain structure as "damaged".

    A far superior experiment by the National Center for Toxicological Research (NCTR) involving 64 rhesus monkeys that were exposed to daily or weekly doses of marijuana smoke for a year found no evidence of structural or neurochemical changes in the brains of rhesus monkeys. Studies performed on actual human populations will confirm these results, even for chronic marijuana users (up to 18 joints per day) after many years of use. In fact, following the publication of two 1977 JAMA studies, the American Medical Association (AMA) officially announced its support for the decriminalization of marijuana.

    Contrary to a 1987 television commercial sponsored by the Partnership for a Drug-Free America (PDFA), marijuana does not "flatten" brain waves either. In the commercial, a normal human brain wave was compared to what was supposedly the (much flatter) brain wave of a 14-year-old high on marijuana. It was actually the brain wave of a coma patient. PDFA lied about the data, and had to pull the commercial off of the air when researchers complained to the television networks.

    In reality, marijuana has the effect of slightly increasing alpha-wave activity. Alpha waves are generally associated with meditative and relaxed states which are, in turn, often associated with human creativity.

    Heart Problems

    It is accepted in medical circles today that marijuana use causes no evident long-term cardiovascular problems for normal persons. However, marijuana-smoking does cause changes in the heart and body's circulation characteristic of stress, which may complicate preexisting cardiovascular problems like hypertension, cerebrovascular disease, and coronary atherosclerosis. Marijuana's effects upon blood pressure are complex and inconsistent.

    Hormones

    Chronic marijuana use has not been found to alter testosterone or other sex hormone levels, despite the conclusions of Dr. R.C. Kolodony's 1974 study. Seven similar studies have been performed since then, the most recent by a Dr. Robert Block at the University of Iowa, and none have reproduced Kolodony's results. In contrast, heavy alcohol use is known to lower these same testosterone levels.

    Reproductive Damage

    No trustworthy study has ever shown that marijuana use damages the reproductive system, or causes chromosome breakage. Dr. Gabriel Nahas reached the opposite conclusion in his experiments performed in the early 1980s, but did so in part using the in vitro (i.e., in test tubes and petrii dishes) cells of rhesus monkeys. His rather unjustified claim that these changes would also occur in human bodies in vivo (in the body) was criticized by his colleagues and, in 1983, he renounced his own results.

    Studies of actual human populations have failed to demonstrate that marijuana adversely affects the reproductive system. Wu et al. found in 1988 a correlation between marijuana use and low sperm counts in human males. But this is misleading because (1) a decrease in sperm count has not been shown to have a negative effect on fertility, and (2) the sperm count returned to normal levels after marijuana use had ceased.

    Claims that marijuana use may impair hormone production, menstrual cycles, or fertility in females are both unproven and unfounded.

    The Immune System

    Studies in which lab rats were injected with extremely large quantities of THC have found that marijuana (in such unrealistically huge quantities) does have an "immunosuppressive effect" in those lab rats, in that it temporarily shuts off certain cells in the liver called lymphocytes and macrophages. These macrophages are useful in fighting off bacterial, not viral, infections. But this is only for the duration of intoxication. There also exists some evidence that marijuana metabolites stay in the lungs for up to seven months after smoking has ceased, possibly affecting the immune system of the lungs (but not by turning the cells off). This said, doctors and researchers are still not sure that the immune system is actually negatively affected in realistic situations since there are no numbers to support the idea. In fact, three studies showed that THC may have actually stimulated the immune system in the people studied.

    Birth Defects

    Unlike alcohol, cocaine, and tobacco, studies show that there exists no evident link between prenatal use of marijuana and birth defects or fetal alcohol syndrome in humans. In fact, marijuana use during the third trimester has been found to have a positive impact on birthweight. It is known that Delta-9-THC does enter the placenta, so mothers are advised against consuming large quantities.

    Cancer

    Smoking marijuana has the potential to cause both bronchitis and cancer of the lungs, throat, and neck, but this is generally no different than inhaling any other burnt carbon-containing matter since they all increase the number of lesions (and therefore possible infections) in your airways. There are a couple of studies that claim on the basis of carcinogens that smoking marijuana is worse for your body than smoking a cigarette, but these are rather simplified. There are actually some very convincing reasons to believe that smoking cigarettes is relatively more dangerous to the body than smoking marijuana on more than one count: (1) It is accepted by a growing number of scientists today that all American cigarettes contain significant levels of polonium-210, the same sort of radiation given off by the plutonium of atom bombs (ionizing alpha radiation). It just so happens that the tobacco plant's roots and leaves are especially good at absorbing radioactive elements from uranium-containing phosphate fertilizers that are required by U.S. law, and from naturally occurring radiation in the soil, air, and water. It is the opinion of C. Everette Koop that this radioactivity, not tar, accounts for at least 90% of all smoking-related lung cancer. Other estimates that have been made are, about 50% according to Dr. Joseph R. DiFranza of the Univ. of Mass. Medical Center and according to Dr. Edward Martell, a radiochemist with the National Center for Atmospheric Research, 95%. Dr. R.T. Ravenholt, former director of World Health Surveys at the Centers for Disease Control, agrees with the risk, asserting that "Americans are exposed to far more radiation from tobacco smoke than from any other source". Supporting the radioactivity notion is the finding that (a) Relatively high levels of polonium-210 have been found in both cigarette smoke and the lungs of both smokers and nonsmokers alike [60]; (b) Smokers of low-tar-and-nicotine cigarettes die of lung cancer just as much as smokers of other cigarettes; and also, (c) Even the most potent carcinogen that has been found in cigarettes, benzopyrene, is only present in quantities sufficient to account for about 1% of the lung cancer cases that occur from smoking.


    Why don't you know any of this?

    Because the tobacco industry is suppressing the information. (2) Tobacco smoke is theorized to work as a kind of "magnet" for airborne radioactive particles such as radon, causing them to deposit in your lungs instead of on walls, rugs, or draperies. (3) Tobacco, unlike marijuana, contains nicotine, which may harden arteries and cause many of the cases of heart disease associated with tobacco use. It also breaks down into cancer-promoting chemicals called N Nitrosamines when burned, and perhaps even when it is inside the body. (4) THC is a bronchial dilator, which means it works like a cough drop by opening up your lungs and therefore aiding in the clearance of smoke and dirt. Nicotine has the exact opposite effect. (5) Unlike the chemicals in marijuana, nicotine has a paralyzing effect on the tiny hairs along the body's air passages. These hairs normally work to keep foreign matter out of the lungs. This means that carcinogenic tar from cigarette smoke is relatively much harder to purge from your lungs than is that from marijuana. And finally, (6) Marijuana users smoke significantly less than cigarette smokers do because of both marijuana's psychoactive properties (this is called "auto-titration") and nicotine's high potential for physical addiction. It is important to note that the NCTR study found no signs of lung cancer in its autopsied rhesus monkeys who had smoked marijuana for one year.

    Smoking cigarettes and smoking marijuana negatively affect different areas of the body, and therefore cause different problems. But everything considered, marijuana-only smokers who average 3 - 4 joints per day show similar symptoms to cigarette smokers who polish off 20 in a day. Although one well-done study tells us that frequent marijuana smokers have a 19% greater risk of respiratory diseases than people who smoke nothing at all [66], it seems that neck and throat cancers are much more likely to result than lung cancer or emphysema. This is because, unlike tobacco, marijuana does not penetrate deeply into the lung. In order to minimize the risk of acquiring neck or throat cancer from marijuana smoke, it is best to (1) avoid as much as possible cigarette-smoking and heavy drinking while smoking marijuana, and (2) eat plenty of vegetables (such as carrots, broccoli, squash, and sprouts) or vitamin supplements of beta carotene, vitamins A, C and E, and selenium. These are believed to impede cancer's progress.

    In addition, there are actually things that can be done to reduce and even entirely eliminate the bodily harm that may potentially result from smoking marijuana. This is possible because all of the principle psychoactive ingredients of marijuana (THC and the cannabinoids) are neither mutagenic (gene-mutating) nor carcinogenic (cancer-causing).

    Legalizing marijuana would make (better) water bongs and marijuana foods, drinks, and pills both less expensive and more accessible. Smoking marijuana through a water-filled bong will cool the smoke and there is reason to believe that it will filter some of the carcinogens. Eating or drinking marijuana effectively eliminates all negative effects. In addition, it is conceivable that an aerosol contraption or vaporizer, commonly called a tilt pipe, could easily be constructed that would surpass joints in efficiency, match them in onset and control of effects, and yet would be effectively harmless to the body.

    Fat Cells

    One of the more ridiculous myths being circulated is that marijuana stays in your fat cells and can keep you high for months. Even though they may have similar names, the psychoactive THC (Delta-9-THC) is different from the metabolites (for instance, 11-OH-THC and 11-nor) that your body breaks it down into in that the latter will not get you stoned. It is the metabolites that stay in your fatty cells and show up on drug tests. Your body is depleted of Delta-9-THC only hours after ingestion.


    Driving

    Driving in any inebriated state is adding complication to what already amounts to a constant life-threatening situation. That said, the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA) summarized all of its studies by saying that there was "no indication that marijuana by itself was a cause of fatal accidents," and that alcohol was by far the "dominant problem" in drug-related accidents. The Victorian Institute of Forensic Pathology and Monash University's Department of Forensic Medicine in Melbourne, Australia have found that drivers who use cannabis are actually less likely to cause fatal accidents than drug-free drivers, and are no more likely than other drivers to be killed or seriously injured in road accidents. One experiment tested marijuana-intoxicated drivers on both a closed course and on a crowded city street. It found that the elements of driving most affected were concentration and judgment. An experiment involving a driving simulator that tested actual driving ability according to how many mistakes are incurred by sober, drunk, and high subjects found that marijuana, unlike alcohol, does not significantly affect driving ability. It was found that these results hold true for even higher doses (within reason) and inexperienced marijuana users. In fact, the only significant difference reported by the stoned subjects was an altered perception of time, which effectively made them drive relatively slower. A similar study found that marijuana additionally impairs the driver's ability to attend to peripheral stimuli. One theory attempting to explain these surprising findings states that marijuana users, in instances requiring seriousness, are in fact able to willingly "bring themselves down," such that they are no longer high. Studies that in the past have shown that marjuana-intoxicated drivers cause significantly more accidents than sober drivers are typically unreliable on one or more of the following counts: (1) They use drug tests to determine whether or not a person is high, and drug tests in use only indicate use over the past 30 days; (2) Some studies have not corrected for alcohol use, or do not provide a control group; and (3) In many studies there were relatively more stoned drivers killed, but it was not their fault. And when the police "culpability scores" were tallied and factored in, marijuana was generally not to blame for the accidents. It must be emphasized however that one study shows that daily marijuana smokers tend to have a 30% higher risk of injuries than non-users [66]. In fact, accidents resulting from intoxication are thought to be "the number one hazard of marijuana use".

    The Gateway Effect

    Marijuana use has not been found to act as a gateway drug to the use of harder drugs. Studies show that when the Dutch partially legalized marijuana in the 70's, heroin and cocaine use substantially declined, despite a slight increase in marijuana use. If the stepping stone theory were true, use should have gone up rather than down. In reality, it appears that marijuana use tends to substitute for the use of relatively more dangerous hard drugs like cocaine and heroin, rather than lead to their use. Thus, oftentimes strict marijuana laws themselves are the most significant factor involved in moving on to harder drugs like cocaine. Such is the case in Nevada and Arizona, the states toughest on marijuana use. A recent study by Columbia University's Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse attempts to show, like many past studies have, that marijuana users are more likely to use heroin or cocaine. But what the study actually does show is that a large number of heroin or cocaine users have used marijuana, not the reverse. What is not mentioned is that just as many or even more had probably also drank alcohol, smoked cigarettes, had sex, or eaten sandwiches prior to their hard drug use. In fact, a National High School survey tells us that in 1990, 40.7% of all high school students had tried marijuana or hashish at least once, whereas only 9.4% and 1.3% had ever used cocaine and heroin, respectively. Thus, at maximum, only 23% of marijuana users go on to use cocaine, and only 3% go on to use heroin. Thus, the stepping stone theory fails on even empirical grounds.

    Marijuana and Crime

    DARE literature would have you believe that there exists a strong correlation between marijuana use and juvenile and young adult crime. And a recent study attempts to present a link between marijuana use and violence by stating that 2/3 of all students who admit to taking a gun to school at least once had smoked marijuana. In fact, DEA head Thomas Constantine recently stated in a Washington Times interview that "Many times people talk about the nonviolent drug offender. That is a rare species. There is not some sterile drug type not involved in violence who is contributing some good to the community; that is ridiculous. They are contributing nothing but evil." But these allegations are unsupported by research because test results show that changes in personality resulting from marijuana use, even though they are not relatively significant, include among other things a lessening of aggressive trends. And large population studies such as the La Guardia report have found that, if anything, marijuana use inhibits antisocial activity such as violence. The drug-inspired violence myth, including a comprehensive history of its conception, is discussed at great length in Lester Grinspoon's book, where it is shown to be based largely on a distorted Persian story that is hundreds of years old. The problem inherent in drawing conclusions based on correlations such as the 2/3 statistic above is that causality cannot be inferred from correlation. In other words, there is no way of determining whether marijuana use contributed in some way to the existence of certain traits of marijuana users, i.e. bringing a gun to school, or, as seems entirely more likely, people with such traits are drawn to marijuana use. One study found that chronic marijuana users had significantly higher WAIS IQ scores (113.08) than both moderate users (102.15) and nonusers (103.26). It is simply impossible to make sense of such statistics as presented.
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    ive always believed in maryjane

    thats the only girl ill let the homies hit :boobies:

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    Quote Originally Posted by j0natell0
    ive always believed in maryjane

    thats the only girl ill let the homies hit :boobies:
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    yes weed should be legal, it isn't harmful, it just causes people to be lazy and overeat, and smell bad.

    i hate those anti weed ad's 99% of them make no valid points.

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    i hope one day marijuana will become legal.. did anyone watch that special on Nat. Geo last night about marijuana? it was quite interesting and got damn there was soooo much weed!! i <3 my "bud"dy

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    I quit smoking. Mainly for legal/health/job issues

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    Nobody cares, potheads are dumb, and it's still illegal. Boo hoo.

    Moving on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Nobody cares, potheads are dumb, and it's still illegal. Boo hoo.

    Moving on...
    Anal sex and fellatio are illegal here in GA. Have you ever had your dick sucked?

    Also: All sex toys are banned. Donkeys may not be kept in bathtubs. All citizens must own a rake. Selling two beers at once for the same price is not allowed. Persons under the age of 16 may not play pinball after 11:00 PM. One man may not be on another man’s back. Cussing over the telephone is against the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy
    Anal sex and fellatio are illegal here in GA. Have you ever had your dick sucked?
    Spitting in public is illegal in Florida, what's your point? Sorry, but I feel about as much compassion for potheads as I do for alchoholics. Which is none.

    Have fun dodging the police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Spitting in public is illegal in Florida, what's your point? Sorry, but I feel about as much compassion for potheads as I do for alchoholics. Which is none.

    Have fun dodging the police.
    I don't have to worry about dodging the police I also didn't ask you about compassion for anyone. I asked if you ever had your dick sucked
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy
    I don't have to worry about dodging the police I also didn't ask you about compassion for anyone. I asked if you ever had your dick sucked
    Sure, and I've no problems with it. Just as some idiotic dope smoker has no problems with smoking himself stupid. We're all entitled to opinions and outlooks and that's mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy
    My point is that there a lot of things that are illegal and people still do them, so saying it is illegal is the weakest argument you could have chosen
    It's not an argument. It's a statement. Report me for having my d*ck sucked and report Dopey Joe for smoking pot to the same cop. Go see who he arrests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Spitting in public is illegal in Florida, what's your point? Sorry, but I feel about as much compassion for potheads as I do for alchoholics. Which is none.

    Have fun dodging the police.
    I actually repped you. Positively. Later, QD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quickdodge®
    I actually repped you. Positively. Later, QD.
    still going with opinions over facts huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy
    Anal sex and fellatio are illegal here in GA. Have you ever had your dick sucked?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Nobody cares, potheads are dumb, and it's still illegal. Boo hoo.

    Moving on...

    Where you live it is....

    Glad I live in Mass no due to the Decriminalization of marijuana just think it will be legal again w/ in our life time



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Nobody cares, potheads are dumb, and it's still illegal. Boo hoo.

    Moving on...
    You're right. There isn't a single "pothead" that is smart.

    http://www.veryimportantpotheads.com/branson.htm

    I guess the owner of Virgin airlines, records, mobile, Virgin Galactic (space travel), Virgin Money and credited Financial Times award winner is just some dumb ass stoner after all...

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    Marajuana was banned because of DuPont the largest textile company of the time and Cannibus had the potential to encroach on their money. They used the name Marijuana because it was a Mexican word for the plant, which of course, made it a bad thing.

    http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabi...ulture11.shtml

    The debate over the legalization of Cannabis Sativa, more commonly known as marijuana, has been one of the most heated controversies ever to occur in the Inited States. Its use as a medicine has existed for thousands of years in many countries world wide and "can be documented as far back as 2700 BC in ancient Chinese writings." When someone says bhanga, ganja, kinnub, cannabis, bung, chu ts-ao, asa, dope, grass, rasta, or weed, they are talking about the same subject: marijuana. Marijuana should be legalized because the government could earn money from taxes on its sale, its value to the medical world outweighs its abuse potential, and because of its importance to the paper and clothing industries. This action should be taken despite efforts made by groups which say marijuana is a harmful drug which will increase crime rates and lead users to other more dangerous substances.

    The actual story behind the legislature passed against marijuana is quite surprising. According to Jack Herer, author of The Emperor Wears No Clothes and an expert on the "hemp conspiracy," the acts bringing about the demise of hemp were part of a large conspiracy involving DuPont, Harry J. Anslinger, commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, and many other influential industrial leaders such as William Randolph Hearst and Andrew Mellon. Herer notes that the Marijuana Tax Act, which passed in 1937, coincidentally occurred just as the decoricator machine was invented. With this invention, hemp would have been able to take over competing industries almost instantaneously. According to Popular Mechanics, "10,000 acres devoted to hemp will produce as much paper as 40,000 acres of average [forest] pulp land." William Hearst owned enormous timber acreage, land best suited for conventional pulp, so his interest in preventing the growth of hemp can be easily explained. Competition from hemp would have easily driven the Hearst paper-manufacturing company out of business and significantly lowered the value of his land. Herer even suggests popularizing the term "marijuana" was a strategy Hearst used in order to create fear in the American public. "The first step in creating hysteria was to introduce the element of fear of the unknown by using a word that no one had ever heard of before... 'marijuana'" (ibid).

    DuPont's involvment in the anti-hemp campaign can also be explained with great ease. At this time, DuPont was patenting a new sulfuric acid process for producing wood-pulp paper. "According to the company's own records, wood-pulp products ultimately accounted for more than 80% of all DuPont's railroad car loadings for the next 50 years" (ibid). Indeed it should be noted that "two years before the prohibitive hemp tax in 1937, DuPont developed a new synthetic fiber, nylon, which was an ideal substitute for hemp rope" (Hartsell). The year after the tax was passed DuPont came out with rayon, which would have been unable to compete with the strength of hemp fiber or its economical process of manufacturing. "DuPont's point man was none other than Harry Anslinger...who was appointed to the FBN by Treasury Secretary Andrew MEllon, who was also chairman of the Mellon Bank, DuPont's chief financial backer. Anslinger's relationship to Mellon wasn't just political, he was also married to Mellon's niece" (Hartsell). It doesn't take much to draw a connection between DuPont, Anslinger, and Mellon, and it's obvious that all of these groups, including Hearst, had strong motivation to prevent the growth of the hemp industry.

    The reasoning behind DuPont, Anslinger, and Hearst was not for any moral or health related issues. They fought to prevent the growth of this new industry so they wouldn't go bankrupt. In fact, the American Medical Association tried to argue for the medical benefits of hemp. Marijuana is actually less dangerous than alcohol, cigarettes, and even most over-the-counter medicines or prescriptions. According to Francis J. Young, the DEA's administrative judge, "nearly all medicines have toxicm, potentially letal affects, but marijuana is not such a substance...Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within a supervised routine of medical care" (DEA Docket No. 86-22, 57). It is illogical then, for marijuana to be illegal in the United States when "alcohol poisoning is a significant cause of death in this country" and "approximately 400,000 premature deaths are attributed to cigarettes annually." Dr. Roger Pertwee, SEcretary of the International Cannabis Research Society states that as a recreational drug, "Marijuana compares favourably to nicotine, alcohol, and even caffeine." Under extreme amounts of alcohol a person will experience an "inability to stand or walk without help, stupor and near unconsciousness, lack of comprehension of what is seen or heard, shock, and breathing and heartbeat may stop." Even though these effects occur only under insane amounts of alcohol consumption, (.2-.5 BAL) the fact is smoking extreme amounts of marijuana will do nothing more than put you to sleep, whereas drinking excessive amounts of alcohol will kill you.

    The most profound activist for marijuana's use as a medicine is Dr. Lester Grinspoon, author of Marihuana: The Forbidden Medicine. According to Grinspoon, "The only well-confirmed negative effect of marijuana is caused by the smoke, which contains three times more tars and five times more carbon monoxide than tobacco. But even the heaviest marijuana smokers rarely use as much as an average tobacco smoker. And, of course, many prefer to eat it." His book includes personal accounts of how prescribed marijuana alleviated epilepsy, weight loss of aids, nausea of chemotherapy, menstrual pains, and the severe effects of multiple sclerosis. The illness with the most documentation and harmony among doctors which marijuana has successfully treated is MS. Grinspoon believes for MS sufferers, "Cannabis is the drug of necessity." One patient of his, 51 year old Elizabeth MacRory, says "It has completely changed my life...It has helped with muscle spasms, allowed me to sleep properly, and helped control my bladder." Marijuana also proved to be effective in the treatment of glaucoma because its use lwoers pressure on the eye.

    "In a recent survey at a leading teaching hospital, 'over 60 per cent of medical students were found to be marijuana users.' In the same survey, only 30 per cent admitted to smoking cigarettes" (Guardian). Brian Hilliard, editor of Police Review, says "Legalizing cannabis wouldn't do any harm to anybody. We should be concentrating on the serious business of heroin and amphetamines." "In the UK in 1991, 42,209 people were convicted of marijuana charges, clogging courts and overcrowding prisons...and almost 90 per cent of drug offences invlove cannabis...The British government spends 500 million pounds a year on "overall responses to drugs" but receives no tax revenue from the estimated 1.8 billion pound illicit drug market" (Guardian). Figures like this can be seen in the United States as well. The U.S. spends billions of dollars annually in its "war on drugs." If the government were to legalize marijuana, it could reasonably place high taxes on it because people are used to buying marijuana at inflated prices created by risks of selling illegally. It could be sold at a convenient store just like a pack of cigarettes for less than someone would pay now, but still yield a high profit because of easy growing requirements.

    An entire industry could be created out of hemp based products. The oils extracted from seeds could be used for fuels and the hemp fiber, a fiber so valued for its strength that it is used to judge the quality of other fibers, could be manufactured into ropes, clothing, or paper. Most importantly, the money the government would make from taxes and the money which would be saved by not trying to prevent its use could be used for more important things, such as serious drugs or the national debt.

    The recreational use of marijuana would not stimulate crime like some would argue. The crime rate in Amsterdam is lower than many major U.S. cities. Mario Lap, a key drug policy advisor in the Netherlands national government says "We've had a realistic drug policy for 30 years in the Netherlands, and we know what works. We distinguish between soft and hard drugs, between traffickers and users. We try not to make people into criminals" (Houston Chronicle). In 1989 the LAncet report states "The Dutch have shown that there is nothing inevitable about the drugs ladder in which soft drugs lead to heard drugs. The ladder does not exist in Holland because the dealers have been separated."

    We can expect strong opposition from companies like DuPont and paper manufacturerss but the selfishness of these corporations should not prevent its use in our society like it did in the 1930's. Regardless of what these organizations will say about marijuana, the fact is it has the potential to become one of the most useful substances in the entire world. If we took action and our government legalized it today, we would immediately see benefits from this decision. People suffering from illnesses ranging from manic depression to multiple sclerosis would be able to experience relief, the government could make a fortune off of the taxes it could impose on its sale, and its implementation into the industrial world would create thousands of new jobs for the economy. Also, because of its role in paper making, the rain forests of South America could be saved from their current fate. No recorded deaths have ever occurred as a result of marijuana use, it is not physically addictive like alcohol or tobacco, and most doctors will agree it is safer to use.
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    My point is that there a lot of things that are illegal and people still do them, so saying it is illegal is the weakest argument you could have chosen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy
    My point is that there a lot of things that are illegal and people still do them, so saying it is illegal is the weakest argument you could have chosen

    well im not going to lose my job if i get some decent head. i probably wont get a ticket either, unless im driving simultaneously.


    lots of things are illegal, but drugs of any sort will land you tickets, jail time, probation, unemployment, etc. anal sex will never do that.



    point-the OP's article is very convincing and logical. but no matter what it says, the fact is that its still illegal and you are dumb as shit if you care to take the associated risks i listed above.

    next point-your article brings up several good arguments. why then is it still illegal? we aren't living in the 50's anymore. we arent still segregated. the world has more or less grown up and thinks logically. hell they let faggots marry each other. why wouldnt they legalize some marijuana without good warrant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ksniperfox
    well im not going to lose my job if i get some decent head. i probably wont get a ticket either, unless im driving simultaneously.


    lots of things are illegal, but drugs of any sort will land you tickets, jail time, probation, unemployment, etc. anal sex will never do that.



    point-the OP's article is very convincing and logical. but no matter what it says, the fact is that its still illegal and you are dumb as shit if you care to take the associated risks i listed above.

    next point-your article brings up several good arguments. why then is it still illegal? we aren't living in the 50's anymore. we arent still segregated. the world has more or less grown up and thinks logically. hell they let faggots marry each other. why wouldnt they legalize some marijuana without good warrant?

    Maybe because a lot of DEA agents would not have jobs???? I'm not sure and it's just a guess.

    Also, like I said, illegal is illegal and you can't make excuses for that.
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    It's only illegal because it makes minorities act crazy and white women bump nasties with black dudes.

    see.
    http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stori...naIllegal.html
    it's on the internet, so it's tr00f.
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    ^^^^^ would that be considered an OWNED moment? J/K....




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    I think mary jane is great... And if u dont think so,, maybe u should roll one up!!!

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    make it legal, but apply both smoking and drinking laws to it. cannot be smoked in public places, restaurants, businesses, schools etc etc and aren’t allowed to operate a moving vehicle while under the influence of the plant....I would have no issue with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sport1.3
    make it legal, but apply both smoking and drinking laws to it. cannot be smoked in public places, restaurants, businesses, schools etc etc and aren’t allowed to operate a moving vehicle while under the influence of the plant....I would have no issue with that.
    If, for whatever reason, it does get legalized then I would expect them to enforce these points at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by thecrazyone
    I allso have not seen you post 1 SOLID Fact for your argument.
    I never came in here to dispute your facts. I merely expressed my opinion on the subject (inefficiently at first) and reinforced it with my views on similar subjects. I can probably do some searches and come up with some scientific report on the negative effects of marijuana but, in all honesty, I simply have no desire or drive to do so. I only wish to speak on personal experience of interacting with friends and relatives that I have watched tear themselves down for this apparently "unaddictive" drug.

    Again, kudos to you for knowing your stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sport1.3
    make it legal, but apply both smoking and drinking laws to it. cannot be smoked in public places, restaurants, businesses, schools etc etc and aren’t allowed to operate a moving vehicle while under the influence of the plant....I would have no issue with that.
    I have an issue with that, if studies have proven that being under the influence of the plant actually make it LESS likely to have a fatal accident than a drug-free driver, why would you make it illegal to drive under the influence of the plant?

    It should be legal, or at least decriminalized. They're well on their way to doing this in Michigan, and I believe the Northeast as well as the West will be the first to at least decriminalize it. The bible-thumping south will of course be the last.

    @Ran:

    Though I do understand where you're coming from when it comes to being annoyed by a multitude of these kinds of threads being posted, view it the same as any other activist. The way some post about lost ones, others post about breast cancer, or some post about what they're having to eat for lunch, he posts about legalizing something that really should be legal and is illegal for incredibly retarded reasons. We aren't potheads crying about our precious plant being illegal, we're citizens wanting to exercise our personal rights without infringing on another's without endangering our career or personal life.

    Not only do I think the plant should be legalized, but I believe that tobacco and alcohol companies should be punished for suppressing facts and promoting myths about the drug. That is where the true problem lies, large companies using their power/money to "protect" their market. Thats such bullshit. The same way automakers don't design cars to last very long, the same way tobacco companies put nicotine in cigarettes, the same way mods delete/edit posts so that certain posters are discredited. The shit ain't right, and by posting on these forums and raising awareness we are on the way to righting certain wrongs.

    Don't take this the wrong way, because you're my homie and all, but if you don't like what the thread topic is just stay out of it. Its not like he decieved you with "Loli Pics 1 CLick away" type of title.

    Legalize it, and the growth and distribution of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d-ninja
    I have an issue with that, if studies have proven that being under the influence of the plant actually make it LESS likely to have a fatal accident than a drug-free driver, why would you make it illegal to drive under the influence of the plant?

    It should be legal, or at least decriminalized. They're well on their way to doing this in Michigan, and I believe the Northeast as well as the West will be the first to at least decriminalize it. The bible-thumping south will of course be the last.
    .

    what study was this and where was it done? Being less likely to be involved in a fatal accident and being a responsible/safe driver are 2 completely different things. Yeah sure its gonna be less fatal when i'm doing 16 mph in the far right lane on 75
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    Quote Originally Posted by d-ninja
    I have an issue with that, if studies have proven that being under the influence of the plant actually make it LESS likely to have a fatal accident than a drug-free driver, why would you make it illegal to drive under the influence of the plant?
    I'm willing to believe, without looking up the research, that this is due to the relaxed influence that pot gives a person. Similarly to how a drunk driver is more likely to survive an accident than someone sober. The user lacks the proper reflex to brace for impact which traditionally leads to more injury. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by d-ninja
    Though I do understand where you're coming from when it comes to being annoyed by a multitude of these kinds of threads being posted, view it the same as any other activist. The way some post about lost ones, others post about breast cancer, or some post about what they're having to eat for lunch, he posts about legalizing something that really should be legal and is illegal for incredibly retarded reasons. We aren't potheads crying about our precious plant being illegal, we're citizens wanting to exercise our personal rights without infringing on another's without endangering our career or personal life.
    I realize that this thread is a lot better than a number of the other asanine threads regarding pot and "OMG 4/20!", I just came off a bit rash due to spite.

    Quote Originally Posted by d-ninja
    Not only do I think the plant should be legalized, but I believe that tobacco and alcohol companies should be punished for suppressing facts and promoting myths about the drug. That is where the true problem lies, large companies using their power/money to "protect" their market. Thats such bullshit. The same way automakers don't design cars to last very long, the same way tobacco companies put nicotine in cigarettes, the same way mods delete/edit posts so that certain posters are discredited. The shit ain't right, and by posting on these forums and raising awareness we are on the way to righting certain wrongs.
    On the premise of this section, I'm all for punishing corrupt business practices.

    Quote Originally Posted by d-ninja
    Don't take this the wrong way, because you're my homie and all, but if you don't like what the thread topic is just stay out of it. Its not like he decieved you with "Loli Pics 1 CLick away" type of title.
    As often as I give out that advice, you'd think I'd be able to do it myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d-ninja
    We aren't potheads crying about our precious plant being illegal, we're citizens wanting to exercise our personal rights without infringing on another's without endangering our career or personal life.

    I think this is a rare case, not pointing fingers at anyone though.
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    WHOA WHOA WHOA!!! FLEATIO IS ILLEGAL??? is that about
    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd:
    "COREY BLADE SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU RETARD, YOU SCAMMED SOMEONE YOU HAVE NO ROOM TO TALK!"
    Quote Originally Posted by coreyblade:
    "nah bitch stfu you little yellow snot rocket ricer.
    They were rota's mother fucker!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by xlivingfor1x
    WHOA WHOA WHOA!!! FLEATIO IS ILLEGAL??? is that about
    There are a lot of strange things illegal in various states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    There are a lot of strange things illegal in various states.
    thats just wrong. what happens if i get caught
    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd:
    "COREY BLADE SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU RETARD, YOU SCAMMED SOMEONE YOU HAVE NO ROOM TO TALK!"
    Quote Originally Posted by coreyblade:
    "nah bitch stfu you little yellow snot rocket ricer.
    They were rota's mother fucker!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by xlivingfor1x
    thats just wrong. what happens if i get caught

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sport1.3
    Mandatory Highfives
    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd:
    "COREY BLADE SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU RETARD, YOU SCAMMED SOMEONE YOU HAVE NO ROOM TO TALK!"
    Quote Originally Posted by coreyblade:
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    They were rota's mother fucker!"

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    Hey Ran, i'm not trying to be pushy but i thought i might show you this(and anyone else reading this)

    http://www.420magazine.com/forums/ca...s-information/

    a website filled to the brim with people who enjoy Marijuana, more intellectual and well thought out conversations than you would think.

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    I have no issue with ppl smoking it, until i have to smell it.
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    you must have a really sad life if you have to keep smoking something just so you can have some fun and yeah theres no point in fighting for it to be legal because for the people who smoke it its not going to matter if it is legal or not. They are going to smoke either way. Unless you grow your own you are basically wasting your money. Paying a lot of money just for a little pot is dumb as hell. Most of my friends smoke or have smoked at one point and they just looked stupid to me for doin it. And for all those people who say it is not bad how come a lot of people go to rehab for it? If its not bad then they should be able to control it and have no problem. Looks like you have one if your in rehab. And this might just be me but all the people i know that smoke really are dumb as fuck and i mean dumb as in not book smart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 90_ACCORD
    you must have a really sad life if you have to keep smoking something just so you can have some fun and yeah theres no point in fighting for it to be legal because for the people who smoke it its not going to matter if it is legal or not. They are going to smoke either way. Unless you grow your own you are basically wasting your money. Paying a lot of money just for a little pot is dumb as hell. Most of my friends smoke or have smoked at one point and they just looked stupid to me for doin it. And for all those people who say it is not bad how come a lot of people go to rehab for it? If its not bad then they should be able to control it and have no problem. Looks like you have one if your in rehab. And this might just be me but all the people i know that smoke really are dumb as fuck and i mean dumb as in not book smart.
    Now that's book smarts for ya.
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